Originally posted by TricksterPriestMeh i already knew that sorry to bother you sir.
Anti-life Entity. An immensely powerful being that was so powerful, it had to blocked from entering our dimension by a dimensional firebreak. IE: The Cinque of power had to destroy a universe to keep it from advancing.The Anti-Life Entity has been revealed to not only be the origin of the Anti-Life Equation, but also the dark side of the Source.
Originally posted by id369Id: Ok what is 616 Jean, doings in 15104 reality? Did she travel to another reality, because last time I checked she died in the 616 universe. No comic, questionnaire or bio has any reference of reality hopping between Planet X and Here Comes Tomorrow. And her Phoenix Psyche beings broken to a billion pieces, did not leave the 616 reality….Oh that’s right she never physically left the 616 reality until her accession to the White Hoot Room.
Page 31 of New-Xmen #150 - 150 YEARS in the Future (another Timeline)
we are in Reality 15104:
Page 32 of New X-men #150
The Phoenix Egg ... IN Reality 15104 (150 Years in the Future)
Here's your smilie:
The questions that keep getting thrown at me,
so I'll answer them one last time.
Originally posted by GalacticStormPeople get overwhelmed by the sheer bulk of his posts
that they don't bother to actually analyse what he's saying
But if they agree with you,
"there's still hope in the forum" ey gs,
"atleast some posters can still interpret comics" right gs?
Get over yourself,
jeesh I bet you have a hard time putting hats on.
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Originally posted by GalacticStormHow can Jean hear the past events of 616
by gazing into an amputated future?
Jean:
"But ... but WHAT's THAT supposed to mean?"
Jean is TOLD WHAT THAT MEANS:
Force:
"That Henry's (Beast) heart is broken ...
that Scott succumbs to loneliness and doubt"
Jean:
"Are these words FROM the FUTURE?" .... ✅ (reality 15104 is still in her hands)
WHAT DOES Jean ASK? ... WHAT DOES Jean ASK? ... lulz ...
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Of course they're from this possible Future, (reality 15104)
because those are the results of the "Here Comes Tomorrow" Future:
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Henry's frustration lead to him unwittingly creating Sublime,
and Scott's loneliness (no Emma) and doubt (leaving the X-Men)
was what literally created "Here Comes Tomorrow"
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Jean is obviously learning what lead to the Timeline (reality 15104) in her hands.
Originally posted by GalacticStormHow can Jean affect the past of 616
by applying her power to an amputated future?
In the White Hot Room, where Time is meaningless?
So meaningless that Betsy was able to connect with all her Alternate selves,
across Timelines out the ass:
Wow, so Betsy can do that on whim,
but the White Crown Phoenix
needs a Universe in her hands to touch ONE individual's mind?
Ok.
Uhm, no, obviously Phoenix went into Scott's Timeline
(without the physical need of said Timeline ... like Betsy)
mind raped Scott,
and thus Scott's decision altered the Future of Reality 15104.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Did anyone see Cyclops in Here Comes Tomorrow?
Scott was dead.
But ...
Is 616 mentioned anywhere?
Is the Prime reality mentioned anywhere?
Is Eternity mentioned anywhere?
Did the LT or any Cosmic guardian appear, because of Jean endangering 616?
NOT AT ALL!!!!!
When 616's entirety is threatened, someone of Cosmic significance pops up,
either LT/Eternity/Roma/Galactus/Watchers ... or others,
yet, NOT a single soul came through.
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Meh,
I still find it funny that you believe Jean was dealing with 616 after Quentin said this:
"If it was me, I'd just let it die"
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Hmm, I'll just let the Prime Reality ... (616) ... (foundation of all Creation) ... die. dontgetit
Originally posted by GalacticStormIf Jean cared about or needed the HCT future then why would she amputate it?
Jean cared cause those are Future-selves of her friends, that died,
living breathing representations of their Future-selves,
they're not the Template (or Originals) but they still are real in that Timeline.
Originally posted by GalacticStormWhy would Jean grow a future on top of a future she just amputated?
So now Jean grew the Future herself ey?
Man o man will this ever stop? (I think not)
Anywho, the Future grew by itself,
by Scott's decision being changed by Jean:
Just like Quentin said:
"If you want it to grow a new future, "to REPLACE the one you just cut away,
you have to water it with your heart's blood"
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What does that mean ... "you have to water it with your heart's blood"
"Letting go of Cyclops and willing him to live"
Cyclops took up the responsibility of running the X Institute ...
unknowingly ensuring that at least One apocalyptic Future ...
would Not come to fruition"
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I thought it was Jean that grew a future on top of a future? ❌
Originally posted by GalacticStormWhat a complete mess of an interpretation
Originally posted by Mr Master
Interesting, On Panel Jean was gazing into the Future which was now:Jean:
"But ... but WHAT's THAT supposed to mean?"
[B]Jean is TOLD WHAT THAT MEANS
:Force:
"That Henry's (Beast) heart is broken ...
that Scott succumbs to loneliness and doubt"Jean:
"Are these words FROM the FUTURE?" .... ✅ (reality 15104 is still in her hands)
WHAT DOES Jean ASK? ... WHAT DOES Jean ASK? ... lulz ...
..................................................................................................Of course they're from this possible Future, (reality 15104)
because those are the results of the "Here Comes Tomorrow" Future:..................................................................................................
Henry's frustration lead to him unwittingly creating Sublime,
and Scott's loneliness (no Emma) and doubt (leaving the X-Men)
was what literally created "Here Comes Tomorrow"
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Jean is obviously learning what lead to the Timeline (reality 15104) in her hands. [/B]
Mr Master, I asked you how Jean can hear the past events of 616 by gazing into an amputated FUTURE.
You quote "Are these words from the future" and you put a nodding smilie next to it.
That speech bubble was coming from the reality she held in her hands, it was a quote of Charles Xaviers from THE PAST.
So given that Here Comes Tomorrow happened 150 years later and it was this future part of the timeline that she cut off from the rest of reality, how can she hear the words of the past? She¡¦d need to be holding the rest of reality which she amputated the future from to hear that. ƒº
So once again please answer my question. How can Jean hear past events of 616, if she¡¦s holding in her hand the amputated future part of the timeline? How can you hear words spoken in the 00¡¦s, by gazing into a part of the timeline that was 150 years later and completely separated from the rest of the timeline? 😕
Originally posted by Mr Master
In the White Hot Room, where Time is meaningless?So meaningless that Betsy was able to connect with all her Alternate selves,
across Timelines out the ass:Wow, so Betsy can do that on whim,
but the White Crown Phoenix
needs a Universe in her hands to touch ONE individual's mind?Ok.
Betsy never connected with anything. Please show me where that was stated. All we saw was that from the white hot room she was shown a vision of her alternate reality counterparts. Show me where your point is stated or drop it.
Even if she had connected with them, it would have been because the crystal is the nexus point for all realities, it is hooked into all of them. Jean cut away the Here Comes Tomorrow future from the rest of reality, so I’d love to hear you explain how through that amputated future part of the timeline, she could hear the past of another reality?
I asked you how can Jean affect the past of 616, by holding in her hand an amputated future reality?
Can you please show me on panel an instance where someone has applied their power to the future of a separate reality, only for it to change the past of a separate reality.
Without that your theory is unjustified and therefore irrelevant here in this truth uncovering exercise.
Originally posted by Mr Master
But ...Is 616 mentioned anywhere?
Is the Prime reality mentioned anywhere?
Is Eternity mentioned anywhere?
Did the LT or any Cosmic guardian appear, because of Jean endangering 616?
NOT AT ALL!!!!!
When 616's entirety is threatened, someone of Cosmic significance pops up,
either LT/Eternity/Roma/Galactus/Watchers ... or others,
yet, NOT a single soul came through...................................................................................................
When reading a X-men, F4 or an Avengers comic do you need a statement referring to 616 in order for you to know an issue is regarding the 616 universe?
Eternity isn’t referenced in every single title regarding the fate of the universe. The only time an X-title has featured a universal threat and Eternity has been referenced is ONCE and that was X-men Forever. Yet the M’kraan crystal wasn’t merely a planetary threat now was it?
Did LT appear when all reality was going to be destroyed by the M’kraan crystal? Did anyone but Phoenix? Did LT appear when Thanos got the Cosmic Cube and threatened reality? Where were LT and Eternity when Wanda threatened all of reality? All of those instances were big cosmic threats and yet LT wasn’t present.
A divergent future reality of 616 would literally be 616 up until the point of divergence.
Think of 616 as the trunk of a tree. The divergent reality would be an offshooting branch.
You agree that Here Comes Tomorrow was a divergent future timeline, the point is even stated.
If Jean has cut away that future part of the timeline then she is going to be left with 616 before the event which caused the divergence from the main trunk.
That is the whole reason why she changed 616 Cyclops actions, she wanted to alter the divergence point so that the Here Comes Tomorrow future would never arise.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As a divergent/alternate future, 15104 [B]IS 616 up until the point of divergence.That means that if you cut away that future, if you cut away at the timeline up until that point of divergence, you are left with the main trunk.....616.
Jean telekinetically cuts away the WHOLE future:
She asks the Consciousness if this future she has just away is THE future i.e is that what her reality is destined to go through.
The Consciousness replies and referring to the amputated future says "This is NOW!" i.e that is what is currently in store for 616.
The Consciousness blames Jean for 616 being destined to that fate and basically says that she lost track of her duties she became too “emotionally engaged”
Jean gets distressed and says my friends don’t deserve that” (This is Jean of 616, if this was a different reality why would she call the people within her friends and be so concerned about their future?)
i.e her friends don’t deserve to be fated to go through a future like Here Comes Tomorrow.
The Consciousness gives her a solution. It tells her to “Turn around”, it says “Here, Before, Always” (Referring to the nature of the White Hot Room within the M’kraan crystal, how it doesn’t obey the laws of time/space.)
Jean looks around and sees the M’kraan crystal.
(As this is happening the Here Comes Tomorrow future in Jeans hand is carried away by a birdlike black claw.)
It refers to the White Hot Room within the crystal as the hospital.
It tells Jean to heal the wound in the “hospital” (She has after all just “amputated” part of the timeline) by growing it a new future. [/B]
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Within the White Hot Room Jean is surrounded by the other avatars.The Consciousness says in the first panel that “telekinetic control of all of those atoms isn’t as easy as it looks in training”
Jean demonstrates how she’s a straight A student by manifesting the 616 universe within the palm of her hand with no discernible effort, having total control of its atomic structure.
(There used to be talk about how this wasn’t a universe or when that was disproven that she could only do it inside the White Hot Room, but bearing in mind that on the previous page from OUTSIDE the White Hot Room, Jean had just telekinetically amputated and carried away the future of the 616 universe and given that there was no mention of an alleged empowerment, such comments are unfounded and must be struck off as speculation.)
Confirming the feat, Jeans official bio was updated to include within her powerset the ability to manipulate atomic structures on a universal scale:
Being disoriented from her premature awakening from her Phoenix egg Jean questions what she’s there to do and the Consciousness reasserts that she needs to fix the universe.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Containing the universes atomic structure within her palm, Jean gazes into it still unsure of her task.She hears words from within the 616 timeline. “Every diamond has a flaw” “Are these words from the future” (All of these contained within the pages of New X-men thereby giving yet more proof that the reality she manifested and hold in her hand within the crystal was 616:
Prof X: “Are these words from the future?”
Quentin Quire tells her that if she wants to grow a new future to replace the one she cut away she must water it with her hearts blood, i.e she must sever all emotional links with the 616 reality so that she can perform her Phoenix Work.
Quentin mutters that he’d just let the universe die, indicating how little any one reality is in the scheme of things to a Phoenix.
Jean ignores him; she gazes into the reality in her hand and says “Live Scott Live”
A few questions Mr Master.
If the reality Jean manifested in her hand wasn't 616 then why would Jean call the people within her friends and why would she be so concerned about their future?
The Here Comes Tomorrow future was amputated by Jean as stated and carried away BEFORE she went into the WHR. What makes you think the reality she manifested within the crystal was HCT?
You don't amputate what you need. You amputate what you don't need, that which is harmful to the main body that you really want to safeguard.
If Jean has amputated the future away from the rest of reality, then how can she hear words from the past of 616 from a separated part of the timeline 150 years in the future?
If the reality she manifested wasn't 616 then why would she apply her power to it, only for there to be changes seen in 616?
Why would Jean try and grow a new future on top of an amputated future?
On top of that, how would altering the past of 616 result in a new future growing from the future of a separate reality?
Originally posted by Sundipped
This has turned into another Galactic Storm vs. Mr.Master thread. I must admit I enjoy reading both of u guys posts debating WPOTC going back and forth although it gets kinda confusing at times. 😮💨Can u both admit (I know GS can) that she's insanely powerful whatever the case is?
I can indeed 😄
