Silver Surfer (Exiles) vs Superman Prime

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
It only takes away one feat of his. 😐
And that's killing Superman, and the League... which I haven't exactly seen too many people use. They only use feats like fighting a lot of Earth's heroes, and such and such.

And if you're talking about 'Sinestro Corps War,' that was Superboy Prime. He didn't really grow up and even dub himself Superman Prime until after 'Sinestro Corps War.' But if you consider that Superman Prime, fine. As far as I'm concerned, what he did during 'Sinestro Corps War' wasn't really quite that far off from what Superboy Prime did in 'Infinite Crisis.' Nor is it even that far off from what Black Adam did in 'World War III.'

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm not arguing that you should take away his feat. I don't think anybody has made the argument that his destroying an alternate Earth and its Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman should not be used as evidence of his power since it was an alternate earth. But once someone brings up alternate Surfer, well then... Like I said, double standard.

And if you're talking about 'Sinestro Corps War,' that was Superboy Prime. He didn't really grow up and even dub himself Superman Prime until after 'Sinestro Corps War.' But if you consider that Superman Prime, fine. As far as I'm concerned, what he did during 'Sinestro Corps War' wasn't really quite that far off from what Superboy Prime did in 'Infinite Crisis.' Nor is it even that far off from what Black Adam did in 'World War III.'

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
If everything he's done is him holding back... then how is it even possible for Exiles to be a 1/2 of 616's power? Plus, Surfer doesn't hold back as much on strange murderers...
I can't even see how your logic is relevant either... If 'b' = angry, then 'a' must lose? What?
Not really relevant to 616.

That's your opinion based off one feat... he got chopped in half by Blink, and utterly embarrassed by Sabertooth.

Also, you know who else holds back? Thanos. I guess he loses to Exiles too... and Black Adam, and Superboy Prime. 🙂

The point of that story was obviously to show how powerful the evil Surfer was. He did indeed lose to Sabretooth but kinda underestimated him and we really dont know how powerful Sabretooth was there.

I have seen Surfer in the 616 universe not hold back before and he seems like twice the threat then. This Surfer was even worse than that and had the same exact powers but was utterly ruthless.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
He dove right thru the anitmonitor threw him across a solar system,took shots from guardians of the universe and lived,and shit kicked ion....thats much more than what he did in inf crisis or what black adam did in ww3.

He flew through a AM who was not at classic levels, and was hit with a galaxy destroying blast, and fought a rookie GL who had just obtained the Ion power and tried to fight him in hth combat.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Gladiator is all over the place power-wise and even in 616 has been on a down-ward slope in power 😬. There is no PROOF to say what Exiles Gladiator's power level was at. To say he was at/above/below the level of 616 Gladiator is silly as once again there is no PROOF to say so.

The feat was impressive nonetheless.

Originally posted by Mindset
He flew through a AM who was not at classic levels, and was hit with a galaxy destroying blast, and fought a rookie GL who had just obtained the Ion power and tried to fight him in hth combat.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
And yet the armor was still strong enough to take a galaxy buster and prime dove right thru it and came out unharmed...its still a very impressive feat,and despite yats inexperience it doesnt change the fact that he had tremendous amounts of power and durability yet prime could still hang with him.

Yea it took a galaxy buster, which is why it was weak enough for SBP to fly through him...

Yat had a lot of power and didn't use it, not that impressive. And after the lead poisoning he lost a lot of power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There is also no proof to say he isnt at that power level.

The feat was impressive nonetheless.

That he isn't?

Don't be an idiot...

Originally posted by Mindset
Yea it took a galaxy buster, which is why it was weak enough for SBP to fly through him...

Yat had a lot of power and didn't use it, not that impressive. And after the lead poisoning he lost a lot of power.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
He dove right thru the anitmonitor threw him across a solar system,took shots from guardians of the universe and lived,and shit kicked ion....thats much more than what he did in inf crisis or what black adam did in ww3.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
And yet the armor was still strong enough to take a galaxy buster and prime dove right thru it and came out unharmed...its still a very impressive feat,and despite yats inexperience it doesnt change the fact that he had tremendous amounts of power and durability yet prime could still hang with him.

At the conclusion of 'Infinite Crisis,' Superboy Prime fought pretty much the same heroes that he was fighting in 'Sinestro Corps War' plus Superman-2. And his single feat of breaking through a 300 mile thick GL wall is still more impressive then anything in the latter.

And since when did everyone jump off the Black Adam boat? Guy was tearing through pretty much the same group of heroes that Superboy Prime did in 'Sinestro Corps War.' The difference in 'World War III,' was that there was no Superman, Supergirl or Flash, but in their places you had Captain Marvel and his family, Donna Troy and Guy Gardner and John Stewart (and of course no distractions by Antimonitor, Hank Henshaw or hundreds of Manhunters/Sinestro Corps members).

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
He did try to use it,he blasted prime to no effect and drew blood from prime,and even post lead poisoning hes a gl on crack not to mention sbp messed yats face up pre lead poisoning with a punch to the face(which drew blood from yat with shields up),and despite am armor being weakened he apparently had enough energy left to be the black lantern battery and sbp still survivied diving right thru it and taking shots from guardians and crushing a guardians skull.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
As already pointed out, Antimonitor wasn't anywhere near his classic levels in the first place, although those classic levels never did him much good against Supergirl. Diving right through broken and cracked armor isn't all that impressive to me, nor is it to most of the people here on KMC, I suspect. Superboy Prime was also yelping, "Owwww!!" when the Guardian blasted him and couldn't get away from the Guardian's hand-grip either. And Ion? Who only used physical constructs to fight and got waylaid by lead exposure that doesn't just weaken, but outright, no matter what, kills Daxamites in mere minutes? Pfft.

At the conclusion of 'Infinite Crisis,' Superboy Prime fought pretty much the same heroes that he was fighting in 'Sinestro Corps War' plus Superman-2. And his single feat of breaking through a 300 mile thick GL wall is still more impressive then anything in the latter.

And since when did everyone jump off the Black Adam boat? Guy was tearing through pretty much the same group of heroes that Superboy Prime did in 'Sinestro Corps War.' The difference in 'World War III,' was that there was no Superman, Supergirl or Flash, but in their places you had Captain Marvel and his family, Donna Troy and Guy Gardner and John Stewart (and of course no distractions by Antimonitor, Hank Henshaw or hundreds of Manhunters/Sinestro Corps members).Drawing blood from a shielded Green Lantern is not that tough. Superman's done it, Black Adam's done it. Hell, Batman did it. Powering the Black Lantern can't really be fairly correlated to Antimonitor's remaining power/durability since we have no idea what the Black Lantern is doing or how long it will take for it to gain power. And Prime didn't crack the Guardian's skull... oi.

Exiles surfer wont be afraid to create black holes in SMPs eyes expand his electrons till he is wiped out of reality and do many of the things which surfer has said himself that he can do but refuses

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Exiles surfer wont be afraid to create black holes in SMPs eyes expand his electrons till he is wiped out of reality and do many of the things which surfer has said himself that he can do but refuses

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Cause exile surfer was totally pulling that shit out when he got royally owned by a cosmic empowered sabretooth 💃 .

Lots of peole have bad showings i.e superman. PIS and underutilization of powers do not take away form what a character can do and since this is a forum surfer and any other character gets to fight to his best quality if not we will have characters like hulk beating infinitely faster characters like superman on forums just like they do in the comic books

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Lots of peole have bad showings i.e superman. PIS and underutilization of powers do not take away form what a character can do and since this is a forum surfer and any other character gets to fight to his best quality if not we will have characters like hulk beating infinitely faster characters like superman on forums just like they do in the comic books

Anyway im going for SBP. Surfer Exiles seems badass but I just dont think hes up to SBP level.

All other posts have been dealt with by other members

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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On another note:
Pretty funny. Since this logic dictates that all of Superman Prime's feats, since he's been trotting around alternate Earths beating up people are now to be cast into a suspect light since nobody really knows how powerful they were either. Smacks of double standard.

And for goodness sake, Superman Prime is NOT a PC Kyrptonian, nor is he even close to a PC Kyrptonian level. Seen that myth float around too often to stomach it any longer. Superman Prime would get b1tchslapped like a 50 cent whore by a PC Kryptonian.

Where or where did I say anything about Prime's feats and mentioned the word "pre-crisis" ever in this entire thread? 😬

Regardless he really only had that Earth 15 feat that is questionable, everything else was on Earth One.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There is also no proof to say he isnt at that power level.

The feat was impressive nonetheless.

*Gasp* yeah I know I even said that....

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Gladiator is all over the place power-wise and even in 616 has been on a down-ward slope in power 😬. There is no PROOF to say what Exiles Gladiator's power level was at. To say he was at/above/below the level of 616 Gladiator is silly as once again there is no PROOF to say so.

Originally posted by llagrok
That he isn't?

Don't be an idiot...

The same thing with WW Hulk. I mean Hulk and Sentry didnt destroy new york city so theory power level was questioned while Prime battled Ion in a cemetery that remained intact. Like I have been saying from the beginning neither matter and neither determines their power levels.

When the Surfer from exiles killed Gladiator so easily it was because they would never allow this kind of death for the real one. Same with Prime. I mean Superboy got a respectable death and was going at it wit Prime. With regards to Prime and exiles Surfer both of these feats demonstrated how powerful they were in killing these alternate universe characters.

To say the Gladiator was weaker is just as wrong as saying he was stronger. He was an alternate version of the character they would get rid of while displaying the might of this evil Surfer imo.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
He was crushing the guardians skull,and drawing blood from a daxamite with the ion power at full shields is an impressive feat,I find it lulz tastic how many try to downplay sbp.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
All other posts have been dealt with by other members

Where or where did I say anything about Prime's feats and mentioned the word "pre-crisis" ever in this entire thread? 😬

Regardless he really only had that Earth 15 feat that is questionable, everything else was on Earth One.

*Gasp* yeah I know I even said that....

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He was not crushing the Guardian's skull... that was calm... that was lecturing him... that held Superman Prime's hands and wouldn't let go... Superman Prime is hyped enough, don't need rumors like this floating about. If anything, he was only penetrating the skin. And lulz tastic phail at trying to hype up Superman Prime, as if 'Sinestro Corps War' was leagues above what he did in 'Infinite Crisis.' If what he did to Ion, newly bestowed with power he didn't even have time to acclimate to, who was holding back at the beginning of the fight and was later on hindered by lead poisoning is all you need to hype Superman Prime up to PC Kryptonian levels, then I think the Sentry fanboys should recruit you as their new cheerleader since curbstomping Terrax and stalemating Photon should be more then enough for you to go pom poms, handstands and backflips.
Other posters have kept touting Superman Prime as having the strength of a PC Kyrptonian. That paragraph wasn't directed at you personally. I don't think his Earth-15 feat is questionable at all. Nobody here does except you. But there are others who don't question it, but question Exiles Surfer. Double standard.