Final Kain Gauntlet
Kain has a Normal Soul Reaver with any power cept the power to make allies fight each other. No instant Soul Attacks, the being has to be weakened.Only has 2.5 sec Time Stop
Round 1: Chaos Vincent & Omega Weiss
Round 2: Final Form Sora & Dark Powered Riku
Round 3: Twilight Xemnas & Roxas
Round 4: 2 AC Sephiroths With all materia and Abilities.
Round 5: Raziel With full powered Reaver (Reaver won't suck Raziel into it.)
ahh, a little more interesting a fight, first what do you mean about normal soul reaver? theres just the soul reaver, there isnt another version, but now hes got all his powers, this would be a fairly good match, although you have not specified Kain as immortal in this battle, ill assume he is not completly immortal and cannot return if he is killed first, also ime not sure but in this fight, is kain allowed his chaos armor? in the following battles, i assume he doesnt have it
Chaos Vincent & Omega weiss
should be a fairly simple battle, the guys from what ive seen are simply speed demons, thats about it, personally ive seen no true incredible power from either of them, kain could easily use a time reaver spell, then impale both of them or shield himself, then launch incapaicate bolts to his hearts content, but i do not know their specifics, do they have blood (their not all cells like sephiroth this time if ime not mistaken) if so he could kill them both with a blood shower spell to rip all the blood out of them
Sora+ Riku
i dont know enough on them tbh to make a fight on these guys, please give info? i assume since you put them before Xemnas and Roxas they must be weaker
Twilight Xemnas & Roxas
this should be similiar, Roxas i dont know, but Xemnas i know, he is no match for kain, kain can walk through boundies of dimensions and escape any trap Xemnas creates for him, i dont know if he has blood but a could reaver impalement wouldnt help him, nor would a time spell and energy bolts and lightning
two AC sephiroths
once kain puts his shield up their gonners, they have no real power that can harm kain and few powers htat would even stop him, with all materia and abilities including summons? Kain would easily disect these two Sephiroths, even if their faster their speed will not mean nothing trapped in time, or slowed in kains AOE time reaver spell, in this he will use Dimension reaver to port to both of them and they will be blasted to pieces after several reality warping slashes that make them both take hte same hits, they would be hit by many reavers at the same time, Kain could use TK, their long casting heavey hitters are too slow for kain, he would with a hand movement send them away and interupt their casting, he will have a shield up making all spells reflect back on them, his shield is so easy to cast, i dont think he even moves his hands to cast or speaks a word, its just up on a whim
Raziel
endless fight imo, especially if their both immortals, if their not and they can both die, then i think Raziel will quite easily fall since kain according to your rules has not many powers taken from him which means he has most of Raziels powers as well since Raziel joined with him and gave him his own powers within kain , i dont think Raziel can beat a serious and blood lusted kain anyway even if kain does not have these powers for these fights, i feel he is faster, Raziel is more agile but with less useful reavers imo, i mean hell slowing time to a crawl or creating an Earthquake, in a 1v1 fight, i choose slowing time "shrug"
Because I know for Certain that BT can't say Raziel loses easy. maybe next time i should put the final opponant as Kain. It should fry his brain.
Not immortal. 2.5 isn't much of a time stop, It simply gives Kain time to get closer. Chaos Vincent's gun is fairly powerful.
These are like Sora and Riku's most powerful forms. I can't really explain them. Again you're underestimating Full powered AC Sephiroth. This time there's two. Can Kain contend with Sephiroth twirling around. Infact, I don't know for sure if I should remove Kain's shield or not. I want this to be somewhat hard for him.
Originally posted by Furion
Because I know for Certain that BT can't say Raziel loses easy. maybe next time i should put the final opponant as Kain. It should fry his brain.
Not immortal. 2.5 isn't much of a time stop, It simply gives Kain time to get closer. Chaos Vincent's gun is fairly powerful.
These are like Sora and Riku's most powerful forms. I can't really explain them. Again you're underestimating Full powered AC Sephiroth. This time there's two. Can Kain contend with Sephiroth twirling around. Infact, I don't know for sure if I should remove Kain's shield or not. I want this to be somewhat hard for him.
okie hes not immortal, 2.5? what do you mean 2.5, his Time reaver spell slows time to a crawl all around him and fight with impunity..
ime not sure, ive not seen Chaos vincents gun fire a destructive blast before and it doesnt seem to fastest fireing weapon and not useful if kain has a shield or mists and the bullet goes through him, hmm i dont see them as much of a threat, i mean i kno hes prob powerful but hes a kid with a keyblade, kain would TK then manhandle the thing then half him with a claw slash...
ime not understimating him, AC sephiroth has shown nothing much impressive, he moves around at about double a humans speed, and he runs, he has a long @ss sword, so what, itsn ot helping him and basically every spell i see the guy use in FF7 is slow, and ive not seen him use any in AC, also was this with summons? make them a better challenge with Zero bahumaht battling here
hmm ime not sure, if hes not immortal, and you remove his shield it, summons should not be allowed because then he cant fight the heavey hitters that can be summoned like Zero bahumaht and Anima etc etc
k, then shield is removed and no summons.
Xemnas got schooled by that kid with the key blade.
Like 2.5 seconds is how long it lasts. And plus the time thing has to hit one of the Sephs, even then there is another Seph to defend the other.
Seph summoned Nega-Lifestream with a hand motion. Sent Cloud into a building 50-100 feet away. TKed the top of a building by lifting his head. Kicked Clooud's ass without trying. Plus he's got KH attacks.
Originally posted by Furion
k, then shield is removed and no summons.
Xemnas got schooled by that kid with the key blade.
Like 2.5 seconds is how long it lasts. And plus the time thing has to hit one of the Sephs, even then there is another Seph to defend the other.
Seph summoned Nega-Lifestream with a hand motion. Sent Cloud into a building 50-100 feet away. TKed the top of a building by lifting his head. Kicked Clooud's ass without trying. Plus he's got KH attacks.
that could easily be PIS/CIS, Xemnas had tonnes of reality powers, just because he got beaten by the Kid doesnt mean the Kid>Xemnas, its gameplay the way he beat him, Xemnas has tonnes of things the kid doesnt overall
Kains AOE time bubble doesnt last 2.5 seconds who told you that? it lasts a lot longer than that, time slow lasts about 8-10 seconds, and this is the AOE, not the projectile thats launched, who told you the projectile freezes them for 2.5 seconds?
summoning a lifestream hes already corrupted is not really a feat, Beating on cloud is no feat either especially since CLoud omnislashes his @ss at the end, also you giving him KH attacks? they may actually make him slgihtly dangerous with the teleporting and stuff
Loses at 1
Chaos Vincent and Omega Weiss are only speed? Omega Weiss is a city sized planet power entity, Chaos Vincent would blitz Kain then annihilate him, Time reaver doesnt work unless its charged.
then launch incapaicate bolts to his hearts content, but i do not know their specifics, do they have blood (their not all cells like sephiroth this time if ime not mistaken) if so he could kill them both with a blood shower spell to rip all the blood out of them
Watch this video then say theyre only just speed again
YouTube video
Originally posted by Terryc250
Loses at 1Chaos Vincent and Omega Weiss are only speed? Omega Weiss is a city sized planet power entity, Chaos Vincent would blitz Kain then annihilate him, Time reaver doesnt work unless its charged.
First of all those spells only work with weak enemies, second of all elder kain does not have them, unless you can show me him using them, or prove that he has them.
Watch this video then say theyre only just speed again
YouTube video
yes, Omega weiss and Vincent do lose at 1
show me these things, Omega Weiss all i know if him is in the video you just showed, a sword fighting dude who moves quickly in movement and fightins slowly in close range....simple....if hes in his big machine then kain take this easier than before, whats Vincent going to do? annhilate kain with what exactley? his puny gun lawls.....
prove it doesnt work unless charged, Charging the reaver is gameplay, first and foremost, second you only use the blood reaver in gameplay anway, this is the soul reaver, third you fail for using gameplay in most of your arguments lawls
false....doesnt have them? prove it to me he doesnt have them, its not for me to prove your argument, just because we dont see him use them he has to of lost them randomly on his journies? you dont know anything about LOK, so dont fail in this thread like all the others you try to debate against me in
ive watched the Vid, their only speed...speed Demons, ive seen no super planetary force in the vid, just speed
Originally posted by Furion
I don't think any blood attacks would work since they would be going too fast.
Omega Weiss gets his power from Omega who Is basically most if not all the lifestream itself.
i dont care what speed their going, why would having their bodies split and drained of their fluids be diffrent because of their speed, their going to be drained, especially if he does what he does to vincent, puts his swords through kains stomach, then hes doom as his drained, and how is gainging his power from Omega going to change him? kain gets his powers from the pillars that control concepts which is where kain theory comes from but its just theory, its there any hard evidence to suggest he is immune to some of kains attacks because he gets power from the lifestream?
Originally posted by Burning thought
i dont care what speed their going, why would having their bodies split and drained of their fluids be diffrent because of their speed, their going to be drained, especially if he does what he does to vincent, puts his swords through kains stomach, then hes doom as his drained, and how is gainging his power from Omega going to change him? kain gets his powers from the pillars that control concepts which is where kain theory comes from but its just theory, its there any hard evidence to suggest he is immune to some of kains attacks because he gets power from the lifestream?
Originally posted by Burning thought
yes, Omega weiss and Vincent do lose at 1show me these things, Omega Weiss all i know if him is in the video you just showed, a sword fighting dude who moves quickly in movement and fightins slowly in close range....simple....if hes in his big machine then kain take this easier than before, whats Vincent going to do? annhilate kain with what exactley? his puny gun lawls.....
prove it doesnt work unless charged, Charging the reaver is gameplay, first and foremost, second you only use the blood reaver in gameplay anway, this is the soul reaver, third you fail for using gameplay in most of your arguments lawls
false....doesnt have them? prove it to me he doesnt have them, its not for me to prove your argument, just because we dont see him use them he has to of lost them randomly on his journies? you dont know anything about LOK, so dont fail in this thread like all the others you try to debate against me in
ive watched the Vid, their only speed...speed Demons, ive seen no super planetary force in the vid, just speed
Your obviously not weven watching the video i posted, big machine? Thats one of the WEAPONs, its not a machine its an entity created by minerva out of the lifestream itself, his puny guns? Seriously, watch the video from beginning to end, dont just blab out random dumb shiet out of ur ass.
LOL so if in gameplay you have to charge it up to use it, that means out of gameplay he can spam it all he wants? AHAH ur logic always gives me a laugh durlaugh Soul reaver? You just said Time Reaver.
He doesnt have them because he DOESNT have them in the game, meaning its not able to use, and its not in his inventory, cant use them, etc, i dont know anything about LOK? I do know ur amping up Kains powers way more then it is, with ur 5 year old fanboy logic, you on the other hand dont know ANYTHING about ANY character in ANY game except for LOK, you didnt even know who Heihachi from tekken is lol.
Originally posted by Furion
No Kain won't be able to focus on them. All he'll see is powerful shots flying into his gut.
focus, who said kain needs to focus on them? it effects everyone around him, so its not like he can focus on everyone around him at once.....he just activates his power and their blood will be drained...and their not so powerful, especially while hes draining their blood his body will be instantly healing, his regeration is crazy as it is, not long after having his heart torn out its healed to nothing but a scar, these gun shots are not going to harm kain, id be surprised if he even feels much pain at all consdiering he doesnt seem to bothered about his heart when he gets up
Weiss and Vincent are powerful, imo more so prob than the Kingdom hearts people (bar Xemnas due to special abilities) but theyre no match for kain, their weapons would not be able to harm him to any high degree and he has so many powers theyll pi$$ thieir blood out into kain and $h1t lifestream until hes done with them like the tools they are, and AC sephiroths will prob end up the same way, only Sephiroth is slower in comparison, although he has a longer sword
Originally posted by Terryc250
no KAIN loses at 1, im not surpirsed that you havent realised that its KAIN running the gauntlet.Your obviously not weven watching the video i posted, big machine? Thats one of the WEAPONs, its not a machine its an entity created by minerva out of the lifestream itself, his puny guns? Seriously, watch the video from beginning to end, dont just blab out random dumb shiet out of ur ass.
LOL so if in gameplay you have to charge it up to use it, that means out of gameplay he can spam it all he wants? AHAH ur logic always gives me a laugh durlaugh Soul reaver? You just said Time Reaver.
He doesnt have them because he DOESNT have them in the game, meaning its not able to use, and its not in his inventory, cant use them, etc, i dont know anything about LOK? I do know ur amping up Kains powers way more then it is, with ur 5 year old fanboy logic, you on the other hand dont know ANYTHING about ANY character in ANY game except for LOK, you didnt even know who Heihachi from tekken is lol.
if Mr T was debating with you, hed prob say "shut your jibber jabber" and throw a snicker bar into your face
ive watched it, okie so thats a wepaon, my big mistake, its a big thing and its will only make Weiss more vulerable
no you see gameplay elements that are never explained in story or out of game like reaver charging are simply not taken into account, their forgotten as gameplay, furthermore, its the blood reaver, it drains blood for its power, the soul reaver doesnt, it has Raziel who is initially its powersource, only when he goes mad will it lose its power, and it doesnt in the hands of kain, It takes years and years of starvation for that to happen..and wtf, Dur laugh indeed, the Time reaver is what we call the Time Emblem, which is attached to the soul reaver, the soul reaver is the whole blade....your getting confused lol...
i know Warcraft characters,GOW characters, Unreal, Supreme commander, Dungeon keeper etc etc and characters from about 100 other games on my shelf......he has his spells in BO1, he doesnt lose all his spells...he just cant use them, just like you cant select teleport in his inventory either, does that mean he cant now? no.....because we see him teleport, we see him use some forms of blood attacks as well, he just doesnt use all those spells he had before, developers decided not to let players have access to them, but theres no Canon element which takes them away...
so you....
Originally posted by Burning thought
focus, who said kain needs to focus on them? it effects everyone around him, so its not like he can focus on everyone around him at once.....he just activates his power and their blood will be drained...and their not so powerful, especially while hes draining their blood his body will be instantly healing, his regeration is crazy as it is, not long after having his heart torn out its healed to nothing but a scar, these gun shots are not going to harm kain, id be surprised if he even feels much pain at all consdiering he doesnt seem to bothered about his heart when he gets upWeiss and Vincent are powerful, imo more so prob than the Kingdom hearts people (bar Xemnas due to special abilities) but theyre no match for kain, their weapons would not be able to harm him to any high degree and he has so many powers theyll pi$$ thieir blood out into kain and $h1t lifestream until hes done with them like the tools they are, and AC sephiroths will prob end up the same way, only Sephiroth is slower in comparison, although he has a longer sword
ohh the horrid fanboyism,
Im begging you, please show me elder kain using those spells or even proof of him having them, dont give me the "well 10,000 years earlier, he found them and used them, so that must mean he still has them dur!1 even though he cant use them and it isnt in his inventory, 10,000 years afterwards, he must just be hiding them somewherez!11"
One AC Sephiroth is enough to beat Kain, Two is overkill, Kain loses at Chaos and Omega Weiss
Originally posted by Furion
How much is the range of the blood thing
Prove it wouldn't hurt him. I've seen Kain be harmed before
prove what wouldnt hurt him?
cant remember the exact range, its as far as kain can see, the enemies are like a good several metres away and if kain does that their drained, he only gets healed by the blood of 4 of them, the rest just instantly die, but theres 2 in this match, 2 instantly healing kain
youve seen Elder kain be badly in pain? wow....as i said the guys hearts been torn out and not long after hes fine after being blasted through a dimensional portal, he wakes up right as rain....and this isnt even being healed, in this fight hell have their blood, heres where his heart is torn out....watch from 7:12, he even has the strength to lift his arm after that
YouTube video
then wakes not long after in the demon dimension and isnt even in pain and its not much more than a scar at all and then he battles several demon waves......his endurance is great, it will take a lot more than a few sword slashes or gun shots to harm kain, and none of these will harm him permanently
YouTube video