Final Kain Gauntlet

Originally posted by Furion
1. Funny whenever I see the vampire's getting soul eaten the seem to be dead. In SR2 what are all those things on spears? oh yes, VAMPIRES! WTF, Liu Kang is dead and he can be killed. Zombies are dead but they can be killed. When someone in FF7 dies, their soul is supposed to go to the lifestream. Sephiroth was tossed directly into the lifestream but his willpower and soul were so powerful he avoided getting absorbed.
2. I do recall Vincent shooting things while he was flying without stopping. You fail.

1. when? what are you talking about, this is kain isnt it were talking about, not Raziel, Raziel eats dead souls, he cannot take them from a being who isnt dead unless he passes the reaver through them, but Kain uses Spirit death to kill beings, and undead can be destroyed, they cannot technically be "killed" since their already dead, thats apprently nothing to do with soul, Terry has strongly debated with me against Sephiroth having a soul, "shrug" so take it up with him, ime beliving Terry and EvilAngel on this one for once about Sephiroth, and having a willpower strong enough to defy their underworld so to speak is not the same as forcefully having your soul pulled out of you, its completly diffrence since your "soul" or lifestream in FF is already out of their body anyway so its void

2. when, show me, ive not seen vincent moving much while shooting, especially not side to side, strafing, moving forwards is going to get him killed

Kain will crush this gauntlet bare handed 😛 jk but it would be fun to watch if he did do it, he could easily do it without the reaver hwoever....with his chaos armor on, also i failed to ask, no armor in this one is there? it would be imba

1. No you're wrong, Undead can be made so they technically "die". If I took the Death Star and shot it at a vampire and it destroyed his entire body, would he not be dead? I'm telling you how powerful Seph's soul and will is. If that alone could stop him from being absorbed into the lifestream, then that would make him pretty powerful. Don't know why Terry says Seph doesn't have a soul, then what is possessing Jenova's and Kadaj's body I wonder.
2. Have you played the game?
3.no cheapass armor.

Originally posted by Furion
1. No you're wrong, Undead can be made so they technically "die". If I took the Death Star and shot it at a vampire and it destroyed his entire body, would he not be dead? I'm telling you how powerful Seph's soul and will is. If that alone could stop him from being absorbed into the lifestream, then that would make him pretty powerful. Don't know why Terry says Seph doesn't have a soul, then what is possessing Jenova's and Kadaj's body I wonder.
2. Have you played the game?
3.no cheapass armor.

if you shot his body, then he would be no diffrent than before, he would be dead....but hes dead before anyway so theres no change, if you shot a Nosgothian vampire with the deathstar his body is likely to explode but hed become a vampire wraith since they do not go to a real underworld or get spun, and as i said before, having the will not to be taken into the lifestream is diffrent to having your soul leave your body in the first place, your soul isnt exactley fighting back which is why kains power is so great against single foes because it rips out their soul, effectively killing them or destroying the body that can fight him, unless Sephiroth has actually stopped his soul from leaving his body before or if he even has one, is what will determine his fate

2. nopes, thats why ime asking for video proof, otherwise i would already know if id played the game, in the videos ive seen i cant remember him strafing and moving in diffrent positions while fireing but how is this relevent anyway lol.......his bullets wont kill kain, whats he going to shoot? kains heart haha, Kain has proven he does not need Organs or physical form to battle, shooting him wont do them any good, the only way to beat kain in this battle would be to chop his arms and legs off, or decapiation

3. thats a shame, it would be jokes

Chaos Vincent's gun doesn't fire mere bullets, he will aim at Kain's head and he blows it off. Can Kain regenerate his head.
I might upload a vid later.

Originally posted by Furion
Chaos Vincent's gun doesn't fire mere bullets, he will aim at Kain's head and he blows it off. Can Kain regenerate his head.
I might upload a vid later.

he prob would regenerate it eventually, show me the power of Vincents gun, ive seen nothing impressive from it, ive seen it barely dent Weiss, ive never seen it deal any crazy damage with a single shot, but as i said its irrelevent, kain can use the time reaver, in 2.5 seconds kain could easily have them both in TK shackles.....hanging them in the air like dolls

okie id like to see the vids

Originally posted by Burning thought

its a void point, prove what? theres nothing to prove, your poking at everything thats why you want it proven, theres no reason on earth why you wouldnt be able to use it, its like saying just because i put bread in a diffrent toaster it wont toast because they used to toast in the old one

no it doesnt at all....BS answers here, simply your assumptions, no way will it look like kain is standing still, and no if time was slowed they would be in slow motion....none of them can blitz kain, stop fanw@nking please. Omega indeed is not a swordighter, weiss is useless....he is bad with his two swords, they would both get annhilated, show me either of them fighting while moving fast please and also show me them moving fast in something other than straight lines [/B]

Because theres no evidence that suggests the Soul reaver can be combined with the time reaver, etc, if you look at the website
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/def/reaverkain.php
The soul reaver is just another one.

If time were slowed down, a regular human speed would be in slow motion, Chaos, who can blink around at unknown speeds, will not be slowed the same way a regular speed person would be. Omega WEAPON is a giant weapon who can nuke a city+, theres nothing kain can do to it, no he cannot "chop off its head" saying that right there is fanboy wanking

show me either of them fighting while moving fast please and also show me them moving fast in something other than straight lines

Don't know why Terry says Seph doesn't have a soul, then what is possessing Jenova's and Kadaj's body I wonder

Originally posted by Terryc250
Because theres no evidence that suggests the Soul reaver can be combined with the time reaver, etc, if you look at the website
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/def/reaverkain.php
The soul reaver is just another one.

If time were slowed down, a regular human speed would be in slow motion, Chaos, who can blink around at unknown speeds, will not be slowed the same way a regular speed person would be. Omega WEAPON is a giant weapon who can nuke a city+, theres nothing kain can do to it, no he cannot "chop off its head" saying that right there is fanboy wanking

the first attack weiss speeded up and went right to try to go behind him, but chaos with his abnormal reaction time was able to follow him with his death penalty and shoot him, not only that but to go directly behind someone you cant be going directly straight or ull just go straight into them.
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in the world of FF7 there is no "soul", "soul" has never been mentioned once in the game, everything works on lifestream, lifestream is basically like a soul except the fact that EVERYTHING is made up of it, including even structures and trees, etc, Sephiroth is able to overcome all of that through his willpower, absorbing Sephiroth is meaningless, it would only cause harm to whatever absorbed him, if he willed it he will return, Sephiroths mind isnt a regular human, he was the only one infused with jenova at birth, meaning his mind is basically jenova as well.

ive seen that site more times than you, the soul reaver is not an emblem, the emblems are what goes in the sword, they look like triangle shapes that go in a round plate on the side of the sword and empower it from power from the pillars giving it the abilities of said powers, the soul is simply raziels soul going into the blade, thus turning the blood reaver into the soul reaver, kain does not put a little triangle piece in the blade like he does with the emblems, its just transforming the sword into a soul weapon instead of blood, theres no line of thought to imagine that the soul reaver cannot use the emblems just like before since it does not effect them or touch them in any way

no, not just a regular, its shown many times that no matter who kain slows down, no matter how fast, they go at the same speed, its like theres a set slow mo speed within kains area, for example normal humans like Sarafan go at the same speed as Demon giants who are much much slower, who also go at the same speed as Raziel who is far faster than any human while in the time lapse, the time power would make Vincent/weiss slow, their brain waves would slow down so that even their fast movements will not avail them if their brain waves cannot reach their minds at the same speed as usual, it would mess them up completly, they would be doomed

show me Omega weapon, theres nothing kain can do? metal is especially reactive with lightning that kain has disposal off, if the average bolt from kain blasts a human into pieces, the lightning hitting omega would be like a super catalyst considering the amount of metal involved, also this is Omega Weiss, not the omega weapon, i dont think kain is fighting the weapon, hes fighting the bloke in that video is he not?

when they fight its always in a straight line, in the video they can move side to side but they cannot seem to fight, every time weiss fights fast he goes forwards, same with vincent, only he seems to stop every time, and please someone show me the gun being destructive, it doesnt even harm Weiss, show me it destroying something please or dealing some damage, also its a beam it seems, not like a bullet you can spam fire

Weiss deflects bullets off his body without trying. Chaos Vincent's gun being able to hurt Weiss is powerful.
I still lulz at him when he said no one can stop him.

Originally posted by Burning thought
ive seen that site more times than you, the soul reaver is not an emblem, the emblems are what goes in the sword, they look like triangle shapes that go in a round plate on the side of the sword and empower it from power from the pillars giving it the abilities of said powers, the soul is simply raziels soul going into the blade, thus turning the blood reaver into the soul reaver, kain does not put a little triangle piece in the blade like he does with the emblems, its just transforming the sword into a soul weapon instead of blood, theres no line of thought to imagine that the soul reaver cannot use the emblems just like before since it does not effect them or touch them in any way

no, not just a regular, its shown many times that no matter who kain slows down, no matter how fast, they go at the same speed, its like theres a set slow mo speed within kains area, for example normal humans like Sarafan go at the same speed as Demon giants who are much much slower, who also go at the same speed as Raziel who is far faster than any human while in the time lapse, the time power would make Vincent/weiss slow, their brain waves would slow down so that even their fast movements will not avail them if their brain waves cannot reach their minds at the same speed as usual, it would mess them up completly, they would be doomed

show me Omega weapon, theres nothing kain can do? metal is especially reactive with lightning that kain has disposal off, if the average bolt from kain blasts a human into pieces, the lightning hitting omega would be like a super catalyst considering the amount of metal involved, also this is Omega Weiss, not the omega weapon, i dont think kain is fighting the weapon, hes fighting the bloke in that video is he not?

when they fight its always in a straight line, in the video they can move side to side but they cannot seem to fight, every time weiss fights fast he goes forwards, same with vincent, only he seems to stop every time, and please someone show me the gun being destructive, it doesnt even harm Weiss, show me it destroying something please or dealing some damage, also its a beam it seems, not like a bullet you can spam fire

A set speed? Uhh i think thats just gameplay, what if he was slowing down a worm, would the worm be moving faster because of the set speed? Even if their brain waves are slowed, they have abnormal reaction times, that if their brain waves are slowed, theyd still be able to react and fight above normal times.

What does metal have to do with anything? No one mentioned metal anywhere, haha like lightning would harm omega weapon, hit it with a nuke and it wouldnt harm him, Omega Weiss is Weiss with control over Omega WEAPON.

Umm when they blink around theyre all over the place, they go wherever they want, you cannot literally move directly behind someone from right infront of them if you only move in a straight line, its impossible.

Bullets are basically harmless compared to stronger ppl in FF7, Weiss would just knock a bullet out of the way like nothing, the Death Penalty, Weiss had to block with both his swords, and it pushed him back really far, if it hit him, it would pierce right through, the death penalty also becomes stronger the more it kills.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Ok, so its just speculation? And whats ur evidence that if its in the soul reaver, itll be permanantly charged? Anyway the time reaver only effects ppl in Kains area, both Omega and Chaos, cause destruction from miles away.

A set speed? Uhh i think thats just gameplay, what if he was slowing down a worm, would the worm be moving faster because of the set speed? Even if their brain waves are slowed, they have abnormal reaction times, that if their brain waves are slowed, theyd still be able to react and fight above normal times.

What does metal have to do with anything? No one mentioned metal anywhere, haha like lightning would harm omega weapon, hit it with a nuke and it wouldnt harm him, Omega Weiss is Weiss with control over Omega WEAPON.

Umm when they blink around theyre all over the place, they go wherever they want, you cannot literally move directly behind someone from right infront of them if you only move in a straight line, its impossible.

Bullets are basically harmless compared to stronger ppl in FF7, Weiss would just knock a bullet out of the way like nothing, the Death Penalty, Weiss had to block with both his swords, and it pushed him back really far, if it hit him, it would pierce right through, the death penalty also becomes stronger the more it kills.

no not at all, its logic, if it works before, then nothing happens to it, its complete and utter hate and speculation combined by you to think it doesnt work if something has not happened to it.....simple...and as Madmel has already told you and as have i many times, combined with logic (theres a pattern here, you seem not to understand logic) that if the reaver is now powered by souls and it has a constant and immortal soul (raziel) inside it, then its not running out of energy, the only known way the reaver loses power as the soul reaver is when it goes mad thousands of years later when its not fed for a long time, and even then, it still had power so ime prob contradicting mysel,f perhaps the reaver never needs power, if it sitll has power after thousands of years, it still had power left (probably little) to drain Raziels soul into it.

what are you talking of, Kains area, a quick dimenstional teleport and he could easily be in their area and what destruction over miles? can they do this quickly? like a few seconds, as ive said before ive not seen a single very deadly attack that FF characters can do quickly

you think its just gameplay? on what grounds? it does it to all beings equelly, you assuming its just gameplay is foolery because the time he does the spell is while in gameplay, its your assumption also how much he slows down time, conisdering what we see while playing, he is slowing it down diffrently so that he is always much faster than his opponent. Well considering what i just said perhaps the reaver slows time to a level Kain needs the worm would be slowed as well, by set speed i meant a percentage it goes down by, that way if time is slowed for a being who is incredibly fast and the time reaver slows him by 80% it would be the same percentage the worm goes down by, eveything we see of the time reaver the enemies he uses it on, move at a set speed, so logic dictates that it has to be a few of many things that can happen, either the reaver changes the time flow so kain is always faster, or the time flow is at a percentage of the enemies speed

whats omega weapon made out of? show me it please, if its flesh then it can be harmed "shrug" if its flesh it may also have blood, also Weiss has control of it? what happens if Weiss is killed? also a Nuclear explosion is not lightning, if omega weapon was metal, it woudnt conduct but according to you its apprently not metal, so what is it made of? and is Weiss inside it controlling it? good, easiy then, kill Weiss, stop weapon

"shrug"

I believe Omega is made out of the lifestream

that does not make sense to me, everything apprently in FF is made out of the lifestream but that doesnt mean metal, wood etc etc is non excist, ive not seen a pure energy being in FF called Omega weapon 😕

He's made out of pure lifestream. Nothing else. He takes the appearance of a green monster type thing.

green monster lol.....show me please, but anyway weiss controls it, weiss is the one to die by kains hand, the weapon is of no consequence

The Weapon has hundreds of attack drones to defend it.

that will fail

Originally posted by Burning thought
no not at all, its logic, if it works before, then nothing happens to it, its complete and utter hate and speculation combined by you to think it doesnt work if something has not happened to it.....simple...and as Madmel has already told you and as have i many times, combined with logic (theres a pattern here, you seem not to understand logic) that if the reaver is now powered by souls and it has a constant and immortal soul (raziel) inside it, then its not running out of energy, the only known way the reaver loses power as the soul reaver is when it goes mad thousands of years later when its not fed for a long time, and even then, it still had power so ime prob contradicting mysel,f perhaps the reaver never needs power, if it sitll has power after thousands of years, it still had power left (probably little) to drain Raziels soul into it.

what are you talking of, Kains area, a quick dimenstional teleport and he could easily be in their area and what destruction over miles? can they do this quickly? like a few seconds, as ive said before ive not seen a single very deadly attack that FF characters can do quickly

you think its just gameplay? on what grounds? it does it to all beings equelly, you assuming its just gameplay is foolery because the time he does the spell is while in gameplay, its your assumption also how much he slows down time, conisdering what we see while playing, he is slowing it down diffrently so that he is always much faster than his opponent. Well considering what i just said perhaps the reaver slows time to a level Kain needs the worm would be slowed as well, by set speed i meant a percentage it goes down by, that way if time is slowed for a being who is incredibly fast and the time reaver slows him by 80% it would be the same percentage the worm goes down by, eveything we see of the time reaver the enemies he uses it on, move at a set speed, so logic dictates that it has to be a few of many things that can happen, either the reaver changes the time flow so kain is always faster, or the time flow is at a percentage of the enemies speed

whats omega weapon made out of? show me it please, if its flesh then it can be harmed "shrug" if its flesh it may also have blood, also Weiss has control of it? what happens if Weiss is killed? also a Nuclear explosion is not lightning, if omega weapon was metal, it woudnt conduct but according to you its apprently not metal, so what is it made of? and is Weiss inside it controlling it? good, easiy then, kill Weiss, stop weapon

"shrug"

So one soul = Reaver is fully charged? From what i heard, The Soul Reaver needs to be charged as well ,when its not charged, it still does alot of damage, but when it is charged it does even more damage.

lol a quick dimension teleport? You do know in reality, Kain will be needing to change emblems means taking out the dimension emblem, putting it in, use it, then take it out, then putting in the time emblem, by the time kain gets his time emblem in his reaver, chaos will be somewhere else and kain will be finding himself needing to use his dimension emblem again.

Even if Chaos is slowed to 80% he is still above normal speed.

WEAPONs are living beings, living beings arent usually made out of metal, Omega Weapon definately wont even notice if a lightning bolt hit him or not, hes as tall as the skies and as big as a city

in this vid it shows some of omegas powers, if omega is spitting out power like that theres no way Kain can even get close without his body being shredded up

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the fully powered soul reaver is a one hit kill with no charge..
if it could be charged up (and thats a big "if" since theres nothing to suggest that) it would become uber!

Originally posted by Terryc250
So one soul = Reaver is fully charged? From what i heard, The Soul Reaver needs to be charged as well ,when its not charged, it still does alot of damage, but when it is charged it does even more damage.

lol a quick dimension teleport? You do know in reality, Kain will be needing to change emblems means taking out the dimension emblem, putting it in, use it, then take it out, then putting in the time emblem, by the time kain gets his time emblem in his reaver, chaos will be somewhere else and kain will be finding himself needing to use his dimension emblem again.

Even if Chaos is slowed to 80% he is still above normal speed.

WEAPONs are living beings, living beings arent usually made out of metal, Omega Weapon definately wont even notice if a lightning bolt hit him or not, hes as tall as the skies and as big as a city

in this vid it shows some of omegas powers, if omega is spitting out power like that theres no way Kain can even get close without his body being shredded up

YouTube video

well the one soul is Raziel, he is immortal, he is infnite in energy and will only lose it when he becomes starving and mad like the one we see in Soul reaver 2 when raziel touches the blade its ravenous and mad and uses Raziels soul to heal it, the blade does not really charge in canon, you can feed raziel so he doesnt become mad in there, but it doesnt charge

all the emblems are in the blade at the same time, its a circle of emblems on the swords hilt, its gameplay that you have to choose what emblem to use, and select diffrent emblems, canonically, kain simply thinks and he uses the power, he doesnt have a bag of emblems on his person that he changes, the emblems are on the hilt of the blade. So no kain doesnt change the emblems, their not little socketable items he needs to take in and out of the blade, what made you think that anyway?

what makes you so sure? he isnt that quick, its not like hes going lightspeed or anything, hes blinking here and there but his overall speed if cut by 80% would make him seem slow in kains eyes and that was just an example the fact is, kain using the time reaver slows everything by a initial amount so they seem slow to him whether it be superhuman speed raziel, normal human speed Sarafan warriors, or slow demon giants

just because his big doesnt mean if a lighting bolt hits him in the eye it wont hurt him, and being large will be his weakness, as it would be for Weiss if the guy puts too much faith in the thing

ofcourse there is, he would teleport, he doesnt have to walk there, he could teleport right on top of the thing, thus the beauty of actually being able to teleport in comparison with having to move quickly

watching the video it was just the design that made me think it was metal, it looked like a machine at some point, so where is Weiss? inside the thing? and if its flesh, it can bleed.......ouch, kain will prob burst from trying to drink the blood of something so large

No it cannot bleed, I think if Kain tried to drink it he would explode.
wow, one hit kills on weak pathetic beings in LOK. Chaos is more powerful then any being Kain has faced besides Raziel and Elder God. Prove he could one hit Chaos.