Originally posted by AlfheimIf you want to argue that 522 Surfer had a singular weak point in his frame that Longshot guided the board towards, then feel free but then also feel free to give something to substantiate it.
I thought everything has a weak point and if the board is edged it makes it easiet to get.
The fact that cosmic Sabretooth tore open his front with brute force, basically speaks for the opposite.
I'm not sure which demon you're referring to, if it's the "Pup" from his limited series way back in the day that grows enormous later and begins trying to kill him, a combination of Dr Strange's magic and Longshot's powers sent the creature to another dimension in some unspecified manner.
And even if he had intended to kill Surfer (when all it seems like his intentions at the time were to try to stay on the board) and his powers were active, all that's depicted is that the board was guided behind Surfer.
616 Surfer has matter transmutation abilities, he can reshape, dismantle and reform his board however he chooses.
He could also trap 522 Surfer in an adamantium cube and drop kick him into the void of space.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If you want to argue that 522 Surfer had a singular weak point in his frame that Longshot guided the board towards, then feel free but then also feel free to give something to substantiate it.
The fact that cosmic Sabretooth tore open his front with brute force, basically speaks for the opposite.
I dont think you understand what im saying. He doesnt have a weak point persay like Awesome Andriod for example can be siwtched off under the armpit. Everything has a weak point by default eg mantis KOing Thor, Karnaks power etc. A person with luck powers wielding an object with the intention to kill logically could do more damage
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm not sure which demon you're referring to, if it's the "Pup" from his limited series way back in the day that grows enormous later and begins trying to kill him, a combination of Dr Strange's magic and Longshot's powers sent the creature to another dimension in some unspecified manner.
It was a while ago anyway. As they were teleporting Dazzler hinted to his powers were what gave them victory...or she was just trying to make him feel good.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And even if he had intended to kill Surfer (when all it seems like his intentions at the time were to try to stay on the board) and his powers were active, all that's depicted is that the board was guided behind Surfer.
If his intention wasnt to kill or hurt him why did he stay on it, so he felt like surfing while everybody else is getting killed. Why did he tell sabes to get out of the way, because he felt like it?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
616 Surfer has matter transmutation abilities, he can reshape, dismantle and reform his board however he chooses.He could also trap 522 Surfer in an adamantium cube and drop kick him into the void of space.
Meh ok.
Originally posted by AlfheimKarnak couldn't find a weak point in Magneto's forcefield I recall. You'd have to prove that 522 Surfer had a weak point, and that Longshot's abilities were specifically guiding the board to this point - instead of just directing it behind 522 Surfer as depicted. Occam's Razor.
I dont think you understand what im saying. He doesnt have a weak point persay like Awesome Andriod for example can be siwtched off under the armpit. Everything has a weak point by default eg mantis KOing Thor, Karnaks power etc. A person with luck powers wielding an object with the intention to kill logically could do more damage
616 Surfer can fly at FTL, i.e. infinitely faster than the speed at which Longshot was surfing, which would logically do more damage under the Newton's laws of motion.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotThey both had the power cosmic while one was aggressive while the other isnt.
If you want to argue that 522 Surfer had a singular weak point in his frame that Longshot guided the board towards, then feel free but then also feel free to give something to substantiate it.The fact that cosmic Sabretooth tore open his front with brute force, basically speaks for the opposite.
I'm not sure which demon you're referring to, if it's the "Pup" from his limited series way back in the day that grows enormous later and begins trying to kill him, a combination of Dr Strange's magic and Longshot's powers sent the creature to another dimension in some unspecified manner.
And even if he had intended to kill Surfer (when all it seems like his intentions at the time were to try to stay on the board) and his powers were active, all that's depicted is that the board was guided behind Surfer.
616 Surfer has matter transmutation abilities, he can reshape, dismantle and reform his board however he chooses.
He could also trap 522 Surfer in an adamantium cube and drop kick him into the void of space.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Karnak couldn't find a weak point in Magneto's forcefield I recall.
That doesnt mean that there wasnt one, that means he couldnt find it, obvously he has limitations to his ability.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You'd have to prove that 522 Surfer had a weak point, and that Longshot's abilities were specifically guiding the board to this point - instead of just directing it behind 522 Surfer as depicted. Occam's Razor.616 Surfer can fly at FTL, i.e. infinitely faster than the speed at which Longshot was surfing, which would logically do more damage under the Newton's laws of motion.
Anyway your correct, on second thoughts cosmic sabre was able to cut him with his claws, so obvoulsy longshot doesnt need any luck powers to hurt exiles surfer with his board, and 616 surfer can regenerate.
616 surfer wins.
Originally posted by quanchi112
My logic isnt faulty. This Surfer was established as a badass in this story.
You failed to address the fact that the Surfer has already beaten a more aggressive version of himself, and thus far we've only seen the Exiles Surfer use offensive force blasts. How does this make him any more formidable than Ravenous?
616 Surfer doesn't know his own powers that well, as a result of his pacifist nature.
think about the time he tried to commit suicide and ended up rejuvenating a whole planet (and still not dying of course).
Surfer's 'weakness' is his mentality, he's not a battle hardened, bloodlusted daredevil, and anyone with brains and an inclination to test the limits of Surfer's powers would achieve more with them.
Originally posted by janus77
616 Surfer doesn't know his own powers that well, as a result of his pacifist nature.think about the time he tried to commit suicide and ended up rejuvenating a whole planet (and still not dying of course).
Surfer's 'weakness' is his mentality, he's not a battle hardened, bloodlusted daredevil, and anyone with brains and an inclination to test the limits of Surfer's powers would achieve more with them.
That's complete and utter bullshit.
The Surfer is probably the most experienced herald in the 616 verse. Barring the Fallen one, I don't think anyone else has ever had and used the power cosmic as much as him.
Also, why are you so impressed with the Exiles Surfer? HE ONLY USED ENERGY BLASTS. If anyone was limited by their mentality, it was the exiles Surfer...
Originally posted by llagrokYes. Ronan defeated Ravenous and he was nothing that special. Surfer from exiles oneshotted his Ronan.
You failed to address the fact that the Surfer has already beaten a more aggressive version of himself, and thus far we've only seen the Exiles Surfer use offensive force blasts. How does this make him any more formidable than Ravenous?
Originally posted by llagrokBecause he was crushing his competition with energy blasts, why change something if it works.
That's complete and utter bullshit.The Surfer is probably the most experienced herald in the 616 verse. Barring the Fallen one, I don't think anyone else has ever had and used the power cosmic as much as him.
Also, why are you so impressed with the Exiles Surfer? HE ONLY USED ENERGY BLASTS. If anyone was limited by their mentality, it was the exiles Surfer...
Originally posted by quanchi112Surfer one punched Ronan after catching his hammer with his hand. 😐
Yes. Ronan defeated Ravenous and he was nothing that special. Surfer from exiles oneshotted his Ronan.
Originally posted by quanchi112But you're trying to compare them in Power Cosmic as well... if one uses versatility, and one uses basic blasts... they aren't comparable in that aspect.
Because he was crushing his competition with energy blasts, why change something if it works.
Originally posted by Mr. SlippyfistHe was stated as having the power cosmic. So why wouldnt I assume its the same.
Surfer one [b]punched Ronan after catching his hammer with his hand. 😐But you're trying to compare them in Power Cosmic as well... [/B]
If the Silver Surfer defeated Ronan in 616 it was nowhere near as impressive as what the exiles Surfer did to him and Superskrull. They didnt even warrant his attention.