Scion/Theory Kain v.s. Sargeras

he has control over the concept of time now....he can do what he likes with time basically....so why would he not kick Sargerus out? or use a combination of the dimension and time reavers to simply make sargerus lost in both dimension and time in a diffrent verse....theory kain has many ways to defeat sargerus, or he could mind rape him, blast him to pieces with his own energies, is there a sun in this verse their fighting in? if so kain with his power over the concept of energy itself would launch the sun straight down Sargerus throat...kain could just freeze Sargerus solid in time...thus is the power of Theory kain

I will not debate against a character that is not an actual character 😛

well i didnt put the theory in this thread, Sol did 😛

he is a character, only in a normal kain thread i wouldnt bring this theory into it, altho it may be viable, it is both unfair and not exactley debatable against

Prove Kain has power over time beyond Nosgoth.

Theory Sargeras cant die..

Originally posted by Furion
Prove Kain has power over time beyond Nosgoth.

.....that doesnt make any sense whatsoever

i'm saying Kain may not be able to access those time powerz beyond Nosgoth due to the pillars being there. I don't think Kain has been anywhere else besides Nosgoth (Dimensions don't count since they are technically still in Nosgoth.)

Originally posted by Furion
i'm saying Kain may not be able to access those time powerz beyond Nosgoth due to the pillars being there. I don't think Kain has been anywhere else besides Nosgoth (Dimensions don't count since they are technically still in Nosgoth.)

not really, their diffrent dimensions.....so not really part of Nosgoth at all, their like realities attached to Nosgoth

the pillars have nothing to do with it, when kain is fighting in the Oracles chamber and the demons when he awakes, by that time...the pillars have already broken, yet his powers remain because he is like a conduit of the pillars power, at the same time as having the emblems of the pillars to give him power, so he doesnt need to real pillars

Prove instead that Kains time abilities would triumph Sargares if I remember correctly Nozdormu was given his power over time by the Titans...

Originally posted by Furion
Prove Kain has power over time beyond Nosgoth.

Originally posted by Mr Dude
Language is genetic.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Prove instead that Kains time abilities would triumph Sargares if I remember correctly Nozdormu was given his power over time by the Titans...

because Nozmordu was given power by them does not mean that same power would not be affected by them and more correctly, his power came from Aman'thul the ruler of the parthanon and most powerful of the titans, but that does not me he or any other titan would be immune or it would be less effective against them because the likelyness as it is in many civalisations and races is that they use a specific power because they belive its powerful against eachother, humans use weapons powerful against eachother, Sargerus having resistence to time is a greater thing to prove and is more logical to prove imo because the power of time is used by many things in fiction yet those things are not always immune to their own powers

Mind Control is a shadow spell.

Sargeras has almost unfathomable magical powers

Who can guess what i'm going to say next?

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Mind Control is a shadow spell.

Sargeras has almost unfathomable magical powers

Who can guess what i'm going to say next?

mind control for Sargerus may be a shadow spell but why would it have to be for kain?

Kain has a grand scale of magical powers, sargerus after a infnite magic source that kain already is basically for being the balance of magic itself

Theory kain would overrule most other beings who would try and go against one of his concepts, because he has power over the very concept itself. if he had control over just a spell it would be diffrent but he would have control over the very concept of the mind, limitless posbilities when you control the concepts of things that he gets from the pillars

Originally posted by Burning thought
because Nozmordu was given power by them does not mean that same power would not be affected by them and more correctly, his power came from Aman'thul the ruler of the parthanon and most powerful of the titans, but that does not me he or any other titan would be immune or it would be less effective against them because the likelyness as it is in many civalisations and races is that they use a specific power because they belive its powerful against eachother, humans use weapons powerful against eachother, Sargerus having resistence to time is a greater thing to prove and is more logical to prove imo because the power of time is used by many things in fiction yet those things are not always immune to their own powers

In case you forgot Aman'Thul and Sargares are brothers and until Sargares death they where roughly equals in power, check the Handbook they are roughly equals 🙂

I think it is a fair assumption to make that Aman'Thul wouldn't have given the power of time to Nozmordu if he didn't knew that Nozmordu's powers would have little to no effect on them, also imo it shows that the titans are also capable of manipulating time, maybe not as much as Aman'Thul but certainly to that extent where such a attack wouldn't have a great affect on them and certainly not on there greatest Champion Sargares...

Originally posted by Utrigita
In case you forgot Aman'Thul and Sargares are brothers and until Sargares death they where roughly equals in power, check the Handbook they are roughly equals 🙂

I think it is a fair assumption to make that Aman'Thul wouldn't have given the power of time to Nozmordu if he didn't knew that Nozmordu's powers would have little to now effect on them, also imo it shows that the titans are also capable of manipulating time, maybe not as much as Aman'Thul but certainly to that extent where such a attack wouldn't have a great affect on them and certainly not on there greatest Champion Sargares...

being equels in power does not mean they have the same powers, all the titans seem to have a specification, Norgannon for example has over magic, the others have all kinds of diffrent powers, unlesss hes shown to use it, i think it would be a far assumption to suppose just because a being is equel in power, they have the "same" powers 😉

i dont think he would of given Nosmordu any power at all if he mistrusted him, but regardless he only gave the dragon a tiny portion of his power. Ime not sure, as my argument i said before, just because Aman'Thul can doesnt mean all the others can, even those liek Sargerus on the same power level, they have diffrent powers.

Originally posted by Burning thought
being equels in power does not mean they have the same powers, all the titans seem to have a specification, Norgannon for example has over magic, the others have all kinds of diffrent powers, unlesss hes shown to use it, i think it would be a far assumption to suppose just because a being is equel in power, they have the "same" powers 😉

it is "aspects" comrade each are given there specific area to caretake most likely the one they are most skilled in, and I find it unlikely that the Titans would bestow gifts on other creatures that would be capable of killing Titans do you???

i dont think he would of given Nosmordu any power at all if he mistrusted him, but regardless he only gave the dragon a tiny portion of his power. [/B]

It wasn't my point that he didn't trusted him, I asked you if you think that Aman'Thul would give a ability to destroy a titan to another being??? You hit the nail a tiny portion of his power over time, nothing says thats that is his only power, perhaps the most dominant but certainly not his only power.

Ime not sure, as my argument i said before, just because Aman'Thul can doesnt mean all the others can, even those liek Sargerus on the same power level, they have diffrent powers. [/B]

Perhaps ore perhaps the others isn't as skilled in the area as Aman'Thul is, but resistent to time and capable of manipulating time Yes, would it be most likely that the greatest Warrior of the Titan would either have a high Command over time ore a near incrediable resistance to time manipulation against him.

Originally posted by Utrigita
it is "aspects" comrade each are given there specific area to caretake most likely the one they are most skilled in, and I find it unlikely that the Titans would bestow gifts on other creatures that would be capable of killing Titans do you???

It wasn't my point that he didn't trusted him, I asked you if you think that Aman'Thul would give a ability to destroy a titan to another being??? You hit the nail a tiny portion of his power over time, nothing says thats that is his only power, perhaps the most dominant but certainly not his only power.

Perhaps ore perhaps the others isn't as skilled in the area as Aman'Thul is, but resistent to time and capable of manipulating time Yes, would it be most likely that the greatest Warrior of the Titan would either have a high Command over time ore a near incrediable resistance to time manipulation against him.

well as i said before, its unlikely he would bestow something on a creature he didnt trust, i dont think any of the high powered Titans are in any theat from Nozmordu, he is merely running the time streams of Azeroth, all their powers are connnected to Azeroth if i remember correctly, nothing seems to make Nozmordu be able to control time in a unviersal scale

destroy a titan, i dont think any of them would destroy a titan with their powers, dont forget the others are protected by Aman'Thul anyway, but as i said above i dont think Nozmordu can reach the titans, their not threatened imo by he, and remember its sitll only a tiny portion of Aman'thul power, ime sure all the other titans would have powers that could destroy Nozmordu in a heartbeat. Noz time powers are not really dangerous, he seems to just travel through time taking out wizards who do the same

but why woudl they be resistent or capable of manipulating it, time is a very strange power, i dont think all of them could do it, and resistence to time is difficult to imagine, how can you be resistent to time itself? ime not sure any being other than the Titans have time powers so i doubt the Champion would need it, its common sense that if Sargerus had time powers, he would of frozen Azeroth completly and done what he wanted to do if he has incredible powers over it, resistence is unkown, since time is a difficult thing to combat

Originally posted by Burning thought
mind control for Sargerus may be a shadow spell but why would it have to be for kain?

Kain has a grand scale of magical powers, sargerus after a infnite magic source that kain already [B]is basically for being the balance of magic itself

Theory kain would overrule most other beings who would try and go against one of his concepts, because he has power over the very concept itself. if he had control over just a spell it would be diffrent but he would have control over the very concept of the mind, limitless posbilities when you control the concepts of things that he gets from the pillars [/B]

He doubt he has control over the concept of dark power. Though even if he does, that'd be a weakness, as Sargeras would use it to turn Kain into a finger puppet.

You're mistaking Kains limitess supply of magical energy for force. The Force level of Sargeras's magic is literally earth shattering. What's to stop Sargeras liquifying Kain in the same was Archimonde crushed a dragon, or Turning kain into a mere minion for his legion.

If Sephiroth is roughly equal to Kain, Kil'jaeden would be overkill. Jumping right into Sargeras is really a silly thing to do.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
He doubt he has control over the concept of dark power. Though even if he does, that'd be a weakness, as Sargeras would use it to turn Kain into a finger puppet.

You're mistaking Kains limitess supply of magical energy for force. The Force level of Sargeras's magic is literally earth shattering. What's to stop Sargeras liquifying Kain in the same was Archimonde crushed a dragon, or Turning kain into a mere minion for his legion.

If Sephiroth is roughly equal to Kain, Kil'jaeden would be overkill. Jumping right into Sargeras is really a silly thing to do.

his dark power is not a concept, its a reaver attribute that only lets him go invisible, there is no evil in kain since his purifcaton so Sargerus is arleady at a weaknpoint in fighting someone who has no evil

liquidfying? apprently he just made it explode or something, even their paramount spells of Eredar can be dispelled easily by a dispel field, and world shattering will not worry kain, this is theory kain who has control over the energy concept, he could literally launch the suns combined heat a thousand times over into Sargerus since he controls energy in an unlimited amounts, he now has control in theory over the very concept

Sephiroth equel to kain? who said that?

Originally posted by Burning thought
his dark power is not a concept, its a reaver attribute that only lets him go invisible, there is no evil in kain since his purifcaton so Sargerus is arleady at a weaknpoint in fighting someone who has no evil

liquidfying? apprently he just made it explode or something, even their paramount spells of Eredar can be dispelled easily by a dispel field, and world shattering will not worry kain, this is theory kain who has control over the energy concept, he could literally launch the suns combined heat a thousand times over into Sargerus since he controls energy in an unlimited amounts, he now has control in theory over the very concept

Sephiroth equel to kain? who said that?

How is that a disadvantage exactly?

He crushed it in midair. Sorry... how do you know this?

Energy is the same as magic in kains world? not in the Warcraft verse 😬

Sun is fire, Only immortal attacks can hurt Sargeras, try again