Scion/Theory Kain v.s. Sargeras

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Originally posted by EvilAngel
How is that a disadvantage exactly?

He crushed it in midair. Sorry... how do you know this?

Energy is the same as magic in kains world? not in the Warcraft verse 😬

Sun is fire, Only immortal attacks can hurt Sargeras, try again

because the Dark titan has power over corrupted and evil foes when they have darkness in them apprently, as you just said, his dark powers are better against dark beings, Kain would have this advantage over Sargerus

lots of people have said such, crushed...exactley, not liquified then is it....

no, i mistyped, does it matter? unlmiited magic kain has

kain could easily beat Sargerus by putting him in another dimension or as i said before locking off his timeline or destorying it completly, or he could simply rip away Sargerus' spirit and send it off into the twisting nether for a win

the sun thing was an example of kain having greater power than Sargerus, if crushing a planet is what Sargerus does

Originally posted by Burning thought
well as i said before, its unlikely he would bestow something on a creature he didnt trust, i dont think any of the high powered Titans are in any theat from Nozmordu, he is merely running the time streams of Azeroth, all their powers are connnected to Azeroth if i remember correctly, nothing seems to make Nozmordu be able to control time in a unviersal scale

I will ask the question again since you isn't answering it, it is a yes ore no question Burning Thought. Would Ama'Thul bestow the ability to kill a titan unto another being??? And he couldn't be sure that Nozmordu wouldn't turn against the Titans see what happened to Deathwing.

destroy a titan, i dont think any of them would destroy a titan with their powers, dont forget the others are protected by Aman'Thul anyway, but as i said above i dont think Nozmordu can reach the titans, their not threatened imo by he, and remember its sitll only a tiny portion of Aman'thul power, ime sure all the other titans would have powers that could destroy Nozmordu in a heartbeat. Noz time powers are not really dangerous, he seems to just travel through time taking out wizards who do the same[/B]

Thanks Nozmordues powers is his ability to control time, The same ability that you now say wouldn't have effect then I fail to see how exactly kains time attack as you claim would have any effect against Sargares...

but why woudl they be resistant or capable of manipulating it, time is a very strange power, i dont think all of them could do it, and resistence to time is difficult to imagine, how can you be resistant to time itself? ime not sure any being other than the Titans have time powers so i doubt the Champion would need it, its common sense that if Sargerus had time powers, he would of frozen Azeroth completly and done what he wanted to do if he has incredible powers over it, resistence is unkown, since time is a difficult thing to combat [/B]

It is and still Aman'Thul is commanding it just like Nozdormu is, a being far below a titan with control over time and still he isn't capable of killing a Titan even based on that he has time manipulating Abilities, and time actually isn't such a difficult aspect to master, isn't that was the Wizards are constantly doing in WoW, the Slow speed, Slowing time around the Target. And a Immortal is resistant to time itself, Kains resist it in some ways. And you don't find it likely that Sargares would have abilities to either command time ore Resist time even though he is there Champion of the Race, I find it very likely that he has. Who knows what he encountered during that time, which may have been millinia, that he fought Daemons from the twisted Nether. And no he wouldn't that isn't in his Character to do so, he wants to see the native races die screaming fighting for there life's against a vastly superior Foe, it's the same question can be asked about Aman'Thul if but a fraction of his power is given to Nozmordu, and we know what that guy can do, Then why didn't he simply freeze time when the Titans battled the Old Gods? Simple it isn't in there Character and it would be extremely boring, but do they have the ability to manipulate ore resist time imo yes.

Originally posted by Burning thought
liquidfying? apprently he just made it explode or something, even their paramount spells of Eredar can be dispelled easily by a dispel field, and world shattering will not worry kain, this is theory kain who has control over the energy concept, he could literally launch the suns combined heat a thousand times over into Sargerus since he controls energy in an unlimited amounts, he now has control in theory over the very concept

He ripped the scales from the body of the dragon with telekinese. It is true that sometimes a dispel field is all that takes ore sometimes it requires vastly more, How many lairs of protection didn't protect Dalaran and what good it did them against the Paramount Spell From Archimonde. The ways to stop a Paramount spell may be simple in some scenarios and extremely difficult in other scenarios. Again the Dalaran spell is a excellent Example maybe all it toke was to break the runes before Archimonde finished them but then you would have to worry about Archimonde and dispel Magic doesn't exactly fall within Kains list of abilities does it???

Also I find it fair to assume the more powerful the Eredar is the more difficult it is to counter the spell.

Should I mention the Paramount Spell that Archimonde was about to use on the World Tree, whats stopping Sargares from draining that energy???

Originally posted by Utrigita
I will ask the question again since you are not answering it, it is a yes ore no question Burning Thought. Would Ama'Thul bestow the ability to kill a titan unto another being??? And he couldn't be sure that Nozmordu wouldn't turn against the Titans see what happened to Deathwing.

Thanks Nozmordues powers is his ability to control time, The same ability that you now say wouldn't have effect then I fail to see how exactly kains time attack as you claim would have any effect against Sargares...

It is and still Aman'Thul is commanding it just like Nozdormu is, a being far below a titan with control over time and still he isn't capable of killing a Titan even based on that he has time manipulating Abilities, and time actually isn't such a difficult aspect to master, isn't that was the Wizards are constantly doing in WoW, the Slow speed, Slowing time around the Target. And a Immortal is resistant to time itself, Kains resist it in some ways. And you don't find it likely that Sargares would have abilities to either command time ore Resist time even though he is there Champion of the Race, I find it very likely that he has. Who knows what he encountered during that time, which may have been millinia, that he fought Daemons from the twisted Nether. And no he wouldn't that isn't in his Character to do so, he wants to see the native races die screaming fighting for there life's against a vastly superior Foe, it's the same question can be asked about Aman'Thul if but a fraction of his power is given to Nozmordu, and we know what that guy can do, Then why didn't he simply freeze time when the Titans battled the Old Gods? Simple it isn't in there Character and it would be extremely boring, but do they have the ability to manipulate ore resist time imo yes.

hmm ofcourse not.....he would never bestow powers on a being who could with that power harm titans, and Deathwing i doubt could harm titans, maybe the weaker ones but i can imagine he would be no threat to the true parthanon

well ime not sure, the extent ive actually seen Nozmordu control time is making portals to move through it, as well as being able to relive moments in his life and see into the future and past timelines, but he has no way of freezing enemies in time from what i remember or doing anything offensive with his time powers, wheras kain in this theory would have control over the entire concept, the very fabric of time itself at his finger tips to weave as he pleases.

well greater than Noz, although we dont know the extent of Aman'thuls time powers but it would seem unlikely Aman'thul would be the one specifically to step in and give the dragon a small portion of his power if any of the titans could call upon the force of time, i think it adds up fairly well that he is the only one to have powers over time itself, maybe he protects all the titans in the warcraft universe since he is a far reaching entity. The wizards, ime not sure of their direct powers, they have slow but its unkown if its a time spell, it could just as equelly be a spell that increases their weight or exausts their legs to slow them down, like the curse of exaustion, not neccerily time powers, the time powers that i rememebr being menstioned are the ones that involve moving through time, but ime not sure its documented how many actually can do this ,and how difficult it is to do. perhaps he may have some, but certainly none of them imo woudl have it at concept level as theory kain and why would Sargerus need protection against time, there is nothing to my knowledge that would make Sargerus fearful anyway, his destructive power alone seems to wipe planets or whole races away, scattering them, and as i thought of earlier, perhaps Aman'Thul is protecting his people. Also remember that Sargerus loses a fair amount of power with the lost of half of his sword, perhaps Time was an aspect of the good power since it doesnt seem to most destructive of forces like dark magic and the like.

But he doesnt watch them die fighting and screaming, he ends up possessing a child and does a lot of passive acts it seems like possession, he was not the most brutal of beings when taking on Azeroth, he even allowed himself to be destroyed to possess, it seems more decisive, also if he had powers like Nozdormu in time, he would know the outcome of his battle and would not do it, so he if he has any time powers at all, is not even on the level on Nozdormu, let alone other Titans.

well yes perhaps about Aman'Thul and the old gods but i could say perhaps they have resistence to time powers, they were incredibly powerful beings, perhaps Aman'thul did not fight this battle, i dont remember the specifics but doesnt it just say "Titans" perhaps Aman'thul does not fight for he is their leader and sends his warrios/champions like Sargerus into the battle ,but true it would be boring if he just froze them all

Originally posted by Utrigita
He ripped the scales from the body of the dragon with telekinese. It is true that sometimes a dispel field is all that takes ore sometimes it requires vastly more, How many lairs of protection didn't protect Dalaran and what good it did them against the Paramount Spell From Archimonde. The ways to stop a Paramount spell may be simple in some scenarios and extremely difficult in other scenarios. Again the Dalaran spell is a excellent Example maybe all it toke was to break the runes before Archimonde finished them but then you would have to worry about Archimonde and dispel Magic doesn't exactly fall within Kains list of abilities does it???

Also I find it fair to assume the more powerful the Eredar is the more difficult it is to counter the spell.

Should I mention the Paramount Spell that Archimonde was about to use on the World Tree, whats stopping Sargares from draining that energy???

no he cannot dispel, his shield can reflect spells/magic already cast but he has no dispelling, but if it was as easy as messing up scritures carved in sand ime not so sure he would need it for it took a long time for Archimonde to do that it seems.

what was the paramount spell, ive never heard of Archimonde about to do a spell on the tree, but what energy would be drained? Kain has control over the concept of energy, he would likely just stop him doing it, he would have greater control over it, since its a concept he has at his whim. Also drainging a source of infnite energy will not really help sargerus who probably has enough energy anyway to do any powers he can do

The paramount spell would have granted Archimonde the tree's full power.

so he would of gained great magical energies, he would of become incredibly powerful

Eternal magic, I believe. If he would have succeeded, I would rate him at an easy titan level.

hmm indeed possibly

Good thing that the Well of Eternity was destroyed. Whoever absorbing that would have been nasty.

hell yes, if Sargerus or Kiljeaden took the power of that into them, ime sure they would become as close to omnipotent as you could get in the warcraft world, they would break the parthanon imo, maybe even Aman'Thul would have a fight on his hands, especially if Kiljaeden used all his cunning, or Sargerus his power

Seriously, if Kil'Jaeden or Sargeras absorbed the Well of Eternity, the pantheon would be screwed badly 😛

Originally posted by Burning thought
hmm ofcourse not.....he would never bestow powers on a being who [B]could with that power harm titans, and Deathwing i doubt could harm titans, maybe the weaker ones but i can imagine he would be no threat to the true parthanon[/B]

If the Titans have no ability over time ore resistance to it then yes Deathwing would most likely had been capable of killing a Titan imo. If you are attacked by a weapon of which you have no defense against you tend to die.

Originally posted by Burning thought
well ime not sure, the extent ive actually seen Nozmordu control time is making portals to move through it, as well as being able to relive moments in his life and see into the future and past timelines, but he has no way of freezing enemies in time from what i remember or doing anything offensive with his time powers, wheras kain in this theory would have control over the entire concept, the very fabric of time itself at his finger tips to weave as he pleases.

Well Nozmordu breath is capable of aging any being with 1/4 of there entire lifespan... (handbook) Also it says that he is capable of replaying any confrontation that didn't worked out the way he wanted to, so that the result would be something he wanted, and that is but a fraction of Aman'Thuls power.

Originally posted by Burning thought
well greater than Noz, although we dont know the extent of Aman'thuls time powers but it would seem unlikely Aman'thul would be the one specifically to step in and give the dragon a small portion of his power if any of the titans could call upon the force of time, i think it adds up fairly well that he is the only one to have powers over time itself, maybe he protects all the titans in the warcraft universe since he is a far reaching entity.

Why did Norgannon give the power of spells and magic to Malygos, because as a fact we know that all Titans can call apon it imo it is simply his area of expetice ore the area of which he has the most knowlegde but that doesn't in any way mean that the other forces that the other titans represent is restricted to them only.

Originally posted by Burning thought
The wizards, ime not sure of their direct powers, they have slow but its unkown if its a time spell, it could just as equelly be a spell that increases their weight or exausts their legs to slow them down, like the curse of exaustion, not neccerily time powers, the time powers that i rememebr being menstioned are the ones that involve moving through time, but ime not sure its documented how many actually can do this ,and how difficult it is to do.

Well I thought it was because you seems to slow the time down around the area of you foe. http://www.wowwiki.com/Slow_%28Mage_spell%29
Time based attack.

Originally posted by Burning thought
perhaps he may have some, but certainly none of them imo woudl have it at concept level as theory kain and why would Sargerus need protection against time, there is nothing to my knowledge that would make Sargerus fearful anyway, his destructive power alone seems to wipe planets or whole races away, scattering them, and as i thought of earlier, perhaps Aman'Thul is protecting his people. Also remember that Sargerus loses a fair amount of power with the lost of half of his sword, perhaps Time was an aspect of the good power since it doesnt seem to most destructive of forces like dark magic and the like.

Not even Aman'Thul? Sargares would need protection against time because it along with his passage from world to world is imo the only thing that could hurt him ore kill him. Perhaps Aman'Thul is but then it seems a bit strange to give power over time which the titans would have no defense against to another being where we know one of those aspects became corrupted. Agreed though I'm not entirely sure that Sargares lost some of his power when the sword broke, The Sword lost it's powers but I see nowhere that Sargares should have lost some.

Originally posted by Burning thought
But he doesnt watch them die fighting and screaming, he ends up possessing a child and does a lot of passive acts it seems like possession, he was not the most brutal of beings when taking on Azeroth, he even allowed himself to be destroyed to possess, it seems more decisive, also if he had powers like Nozdormu in time, he would know the outcome of his battle and would not do it, so he if he has any time powers at all, is not even on the level on Nozdormu, let alone other Titans.

Because the first approache didn't really had the desired effect. Hence a more cunning plan was created, But generally the Legion have always prefered to use numbers to defeat there opponents not regular tactic and strategi as we later see when they are recrutting the orcs to basically rent Azeroth helpless before them.

Originally posted by Burning thought
well yes perhaps about Aman'Thul and the old gods but i could say perhaps they have resistence to time powers, they were incredibly powerful beings, perhaps Aman'thul did not fight this battle, i dont remember the specifics but doesnt it just say "Titans" perhaps Aman'thul does not fight for he is their leader and sends his warrios/champions like Sargerus into the battle ,but true it would be boring if he just froze them all

It would indeed be boring, and I think it clearly said the Pantheon but maybe they where just acting as generals 😖rug:

Originally posted by Burning thought
no he cannot dispel, his shield can reflect spells/magic already cast but he has no dispelling, but if it was as easy as messing up scritures carved in sand ime not so sure he would need it for it took a long time for Archimonde to do that it seems.

Ore you saying that Archimonde cannot dispel??? He was certainly taking his time, you also see him doing every movement very slowly, he is really taking his time as if he is hoping the mages will discover him and attack him. And I was only speculating on how to stop the Paramount spell 😉 maybe a little line extra ore something would have messed it up.

Originally posted by Burning thought
what was the paramount spell, ive never heard of Archimonde about to do a spell on the tree, but what energy would be drained? Kain has control over the concept of energy, he would likely just stop him doing it, he would have greater control over it, since its a concept he has at his whim. Also drainging a source of infnite energy will not really help sargerus who probably has enough energy anyway to do any powers he can do

Consumption of the Sun 🙂 page 122 in the Manual of Monsters

Originally posted by Utrigita
If the Titans have no ability over time ore resistance to it then yes Deathwing would most likely had been capable of killing a Titan imo. If you are attacked by a weapon of which you have no defense against you tend to die.

Well Nozmordu breath is capable of aging any being with 1/4 of there entire lifespan... (handbook) Also it says that he is capable of replaying any confrontation that didn't worked out the way he wanted to, so that the result would be something he wanted, and that is but a fraction of Aman'Thuls power.

Why did Norgannon give the power of spells and magic to Malygos, because as a fact we know that all Titans can call apon it imo it is simply his area of expetice ore the area of which he has the most knowlegde but that doesn't in any way mean that the other forces that the other titans represent is restricted to them only.

Well I thought it was because you seems to slow the time down around the area of you foe. http://www.wowwiki.com/Slow_%28Mage_spell%29
Time based attack.

Not even Aman'Thul? Sargares would need protection against time because it along with his passage from world to world is imo the only thing that could hurt him ore kill him. Perhaps Aman'Thul is but then it seems a bit strange to give power over time which the titans would have no defense against to another being where we know one of those aspects became corrupted. Agreed though I'm not entirely sure that Sargares lost some of his power when the sword broke, The Sword lost it's powers but I see nowhere that Sargares should have lost some.

Because the first approache didn't really had the desired effect. Hence a more cunning plan was created, But generally the Legion have always prefered to use numbers to defeat there opponents not regular tactic and strategi as we later see when they are recrutting the orcs to basically rent Azeroth helpless before them.

It would indeed be boring, and I think it clearly said the Pantheon but maybe they where just acting as generals 😖rug:

Ore you saying that Archimonde cannot dispel??? He was certainly taking his time, you also see him doing every movement very slowly, he is really taking his time as if he is hoping the mages will discover him and attack him. And I was only speculating on how to stop the Paramount spell 😉 maybe a little line extra ore something would have messed it up.

Consumption of the Sun 🙂 page 122 in the Manual of Monsters

but technically time is not a weapon

perhaps so, and Noz only got a fraction as you said, so its not neccerily dangerous to Aman'thul who could likely take htat power away, not to mension if Nozmordu suddenly went renegade whats he going to do to the titans, he doesnt know where they are or anything and Aman'thul wouldnt let him even if he did find titans, he would end up drained back of his power

but thats the thing we know the other titnas can call upon magic, magic itself can take many forms wheras control over time as we agreed is a very delecate power that is not usually connected with other fields wheras magic can be considered part of most fields

hmm fair enough

why would Aman'thul have it at concept level?, Sargerus with the full sword is usually so much more powerful, it may have held a lot of his power, but ime not sure if he had time powers he was still corrupted, maybe his corruption is a reason his time powers may go

i was saying Kain has not got dispel, he just has a shield he can put up that can protect him and reflect but yes he was taking his time

Chittering death is the name of it isnt it? but is that the one he was going to do on the tree, why would consuming the planet give him its power?

Originally posted by Burning thought
but technically time is not a weapon

In Nozmordues case it certainly is 🙂

perhaps so, and Noz only got a fraction as you said, so its not neccerily dangerous to Aman'thul who could likely take htat power away, not to mension if Nozmordu suddenly went renegade whats he going to do to the titans, he doesnt know where they are or anything and Aman'thul wouldnt let him even if he did find titans, he would end up drained back of his power[/B]

Now that would actually prove quiet interesting would Nozmordu be capable of using his omnipresence and time reverse to defeat Aman'Thul... I have no idea what would happen if these two time wielding beings would run into each other, maybe Aman'Thul can override Nozmordu but Nozmordu would already know thats that is a possibility and so on and on...............

but thats the thing we know the other titnas can call upon magic, magic itself can take many forms wheras control over time as we agreed is a very delecate power that is not usually connected with other fields wheras magic can be considered part of most fields[/B]

Well I have just showed you a link that shows that a normal player from WoW can manipulate time, do you find it unlikely that the titans either have resistance ore time manipulation powers just like the mages.

hmm fair enough[/B]

I wasn't sure either.

why would Aman'thul have it at concept level?, Sargerus with the full sword is usually so much more powerful, it may have held a lot of his power, but ime not sure if he had time powers he was still corrupted, maybe his corruption is a reason his time powers may go [/B]

Not at a concept level but represent the Concept just like the Aspects represent different aspects of the titans. But that doesn't mean that the Dragons is limited to that area, neither is the Titans but they are certainly more skilled within certain field, Where do you have that information from regarding his sword??? Maybe he hadn't but he would still be resistant to time attacks 😉 (will try and find out what Time attack is based on in Warcraft, though I think it is magical thus high protection against Magic, high protection against Time attacks)

i was saying Kain has not got dispel, he just has a shield he can put up that can protect him and reflect but yes he was taking his time[/B]

Okay, What ammount of punishment can this shield take??? The amount of wrath that would be unleashed by a Titan??? Archimonde certainly was, that lazy bastard 😉

Chittering death is the name of it isnt it? but is that the one he was going to do on the tree, why would consuming the planet give him its power? [/B]

Chittering death was a example of another Paramount spell, Consumption of Sun is described a bit further down. don't you have the Handbook???

Originally posted by Utrigita
In Nozmordues case it certainly is 🙂

Now that would actually prove quiet interesting would Nozmordu be capable of using his omnipresence and time reverse to defeat Aman'Thul... I have no idea what would happen if these two time wielding beings would run into each other, maybe Aman'Thul can override Nozmordu but Nozmordu would already know thats that is a possibility and so on and on...............

Well I have just showed you a link that shows that a normal player from WoW can manipulate time, do you find it unlikely that the titans either have resistance ore time manipulation powers just like the mages.

I wasn't sure either.

Not at a concept level but represent the Concept just like the Aspects represent different aspects of the titans. But that doesn't mean that the Dragons is limited to that area, neither is the Titans but they are certainly more skilled within certain field, Where do you have that information from regarding his sword??? Maybe he hadn't but he would still be resistant to time attacks 😉 (will try and find out what Time attack is based on in Warcraft, though I think it is magical thus high protection against Magic, high protection against Time attacks)

Okay, What ammount of punishment can this shield take??? The amount of wrath that would be unleashed by a Titan??? Archimonde certainly was, that lazy bastard 😉

Chittering death was a example of another Paramount spell, Consumption of Sun is described a bit further down. don't you have the Handbook???

but how? what would he use, especially on Titnas who are if ime not mistaken immortal, as you said he can reduce age but there are not many time powers Nozmordu has displayed from what i know anyway

maybe, since Aman'thul gave Noz his power i can imagine Aman'thul could take it away imo, or he could simply block off portions of time, time can go incredibly deep, but its only speculation, we dont really knwo the full extent of Aman'thuls power

hmm i suppose its likely, on a level like mages, perhaps above, their status as Titans however still does not automatically grant them powers lesser races have because those mages have likely learnt a great deal, perhaps Titans can all use minor time powers.

well yeh, its not the sort of thing one would know off the top of their head thats for sure, that a slow spell is time based

perhaps he represents the concept, who knows he seems to be a very mysterious Titan, i knew that the sword completed was the ultimate weapon or something or other or the most pwoerful weapon but it was only speculation that it infulenced Sargs natural powers.

the shields only drawback is it has a limited time span but other than that, its like a paladins divine shield, invulerable, it seems to be powered from Kains infnite magic source but kain could recast the shield, i dont think it has any cooldown.

ah yes sorry, it is, i just misread it, i thought it was describing chittering death but it went onto a diffrent spell name and right you are "sun consumption" and it does say how Archimonde would become supreme, he would indeed be too powerful for the parthanon if he could consume the sun itself

Utrigita, you got the book.
Does Sargeras know 'wish'?

Not on a first glance no.

Originally posted by Burning thought
but how? what would he use, especially on Titnas who are if ime not mistaken immortal, as you said he can reduce age but there are not many time powers Nozmordu has displayed from what i know anyway

How it is a attack? You Brought up a attack for Kain with the time powers and I also wanted to show that time indeed can be killing, Most of his powers is described in the handbook.

maybe, since Aman'thul gave Noz his power i can imagine Aman'thul could take it away imo, or he could simply block off portions of time, time can go incredibly deep, but its only speculation, we dont really knwo the full extent of Aman'thuls power[/B]

No we doesn't but we are always allowed to speculate 🙂

hmm i suppose its likely, on a level like mages, perhaps above, their status as Titans however still does not automatically grant them powers lesser races have because those mages have likely learnt a great deal, perhaps Titans can all use minor time powers. [/B]

No it doesn't but do they have access to magic, yes and in the combat section concerning Sargares it is said that the first thing he does when entering Combat is to cast slow and other attacks that will irritate the opponent.

well yeh, its not the sort of thing one would know off the top of their head thats for sure, that a slow spell is time based[/B]

But I know now 😉

perhaps he represents the concept, who knows he seems to be a very mysterious Titan, i knew that the sword completed was the ultimate weapon or something or other or the most pwoerful weapon but it was only speculation that it infulenced Sargs natural powers.[/B]

That was my original statement that they each represented a Concept wasn't it 😉 The Ultimate Weapon no doubt about it, but that it was supposed to influence Sargares powers... I haven't seen that anywhere.

the shields only drawback is it has a limited time span but other than that, its like a paladins divine shield, invulerable, it seems to be powered from Kains infnite magic source but kain could recast the shield, i dont think it has any cooldown. [/B]

But a silence Spell would most likely put a stop to that, also Sargares has Drain Magic he is limitless but so is Sargares hunger for Magic it would be interesting to see how will drop first...

ah yes sorry, it is, i just misread it, i thought it was describing chittering death but it went onto a diffrent spell name and right you are "sun consumption" and it does say how Archimonde would become supreme, he would indeed be too powerful for the parthanon if he could consume the sun itself [/B]

It's Okay, and I suppose you mean the sunwell and not the Sun itself.

Originally posted by Utrigita
How it is a attack? You Brought up a attack for Kain with the time powers and I also wanted to show that time indeed can be killing, Most of his powers is described in the handbook.

No we doesn't but we are always allowed to speculate 🙂

No it doesn't but do they have access to magic, yes and in the combat section concerning Sargares it is said that the first thing he does when entering Combat is to cast slow and other attacks that will irritate the opponent.

But I know now 😉

That was my original statement that they each represented a Concept wasn't it 😉 The Ultimate Weapon no doubt about it, but that it was supposed to influence Sargares powers... I haven't seen that anywhere.

But a silence Spell would most likely put a stop to that, also Sargares has Drain Magic he is limitless but so is Sargares hunger for Magic it would be interesting to see how will drop first...

It's Okay, and I suppose you mean the sunwell and not the Sun itself.

Kain has the concept at his disposal, he could essentially do anything with power over the concept itself, if you can imagine a a time attack, in the theory kain with power over the concept could do it, however Nozmordu afaik has no such powers for example completly freezing a being in time or deleting time corridors

yes, speculation is good sometimes and perhaps viable as long as the person knows its speculation, because VS matches themselves are speculation

yes i always wonder, where do they get these combat pieces from? i mean it says Aman'thul would perhaps fly while casting magic and then summon other Titans, is this documented in RPG?

hmm ime not sure, how does silence work? i mean going by the name it stops people from speaking but kain gestures to use the shield, ime not sure silence would work and yes it would be interesting to see who would stop first

yes the sun itself, i am assuming when it says "sun consumption" it means the power can consume the sun?, thats the spell isnt it, he would need to consume the magic of the well to gain this power as it says in the book but the spell "consumption of the sun" would be devasating

also whats this wish thing lady? you menstioned