Storm w/ Power Gem versus Odinforce Thor

Originally posted by Silent Master
It seems that I must once again point out that no gem has ever boosted anyone high enough to face a high end skyfather, I will also point out that Storm has never used a gem before.

And yet the points have been ignored in favour of a repost. 😬

You need to acknowledge the fact that the Gem responds to both the subconscious and the conscious.

She merely has to desire to win and she would be suitably amped.

Storm would be rendered impervious to any attack Thor could throw.

She has energy manipulation abilities which would be amped to a universal scale.

The other users were dumb powerhouses or rendered so as was Thors case. Acknowledge that.

Originally posted by 123KID
in a debate where you're arguing things that have never happened will happen just to let your side win ?
yes

This is a hypothetical debate, based on weighing up characters powersets.

None of this is going to happen. 😬

I like how you're ignoring how the gems have been shown to work in the comics in favor of how you think they should work.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I like how you're ignoring how the gems have been shown to work in the comics in favor of how you think they should work.

Thats exactly what you're doing.

Listen carefully. On panel the power gem is credited for the Infinity Gauntlet being such a major threat. Why? Because it is the energy reservoir that amps the others to a universal level.

Want to see how the gems without backing from the power gem? Check out the Infinity Watch.

Want to see the power gem in action boosting the abilities of others? Check out the Infinity Gauntlet or Infinity Wars.

Its stated taht users such as Drax and the Champion were just dumb powerhouses who didn't have a clue about what the Gem was or what it was capable of. Titania falls into the same category.

Without the gem they just had strength and durability. With it, because of their limited knowledge the gem just gave them more of the same.

Despite that Champions abilities were boosted so that he couldn't be physically destroyed and he was strong enough to destroy planets with a single punch.

Storm knows of the Infinity Gems. She Knows they boost a wearers ability. The name Power Gem speaks for itself.

I have shown you that a user doesn't even have to actively use the gem, that it responds to a users subconscious desires. Storm would just have to want to win and physically her strength and durability would be amped as Champions were. On top of that her mutant abilities would be amped.

All you are doing is sticking to what you have seen Champion, Drax and other similar users use the Power Gem for. That would be fine if their performance with said Gem wasn't explainable, if said performances were even stated on panel to be down to their lack of knowledge about the Gems capabilities and far from the limit of what the gem is capable of.

This is a battle to the death, only thing is Thor can't kill Storm. 😬

Right, all I'm doing is going off what has happened in the comics anytime one of the gems has been used, you on the other hand are ignoring everything the comics have actually shown in favor of how you want the gem to work.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Right, all I'm doing is going off what has happened in the comics anytime one of the gems has been used, you on the other hand are ignoring everything the comics have actually shown in favor of how you want the gem to work.

All you're doing is taking into account from the comics only that which will allow your favoured character to win in the versus match.

If the gem is said to and shown to be capable of so much more than the likes of Champion and Drax were shown using it for

If their performance with the gem is explained as down to lack of knowledge regarding the gems abilities

If Storm knows of the gem, its nature and has witnessed what it is capable of

If unlike the others who were just dumb brickhouses, she has potent energy manipulation abilities which would receive a major amp

How can you lump her together with the other characters who were completely different from her and then try and measure what her capacity would be by looking at them?

It doesn't work like that mate. ❌

All you're doing is taking into account what the comics have shown, while I'm basing it on what would let my favorite character win

I fixed it for you.

BTW, I'm basing it on everyone that has ever used any of the gems, that includes people like Adam Warlock. and Adam is >>>>>>> Storm in knowledge regarding how to use the gems.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I like how you're ignoring how the gems have been shown to work in the comics in favor of how you think they should work.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I fixed it for you.

BTW, I'm basing it on everyone that has ever used any of the gems, that includes people like Adam Warlock. and Adam is >>>>>>> Storm in knowledge regarding how to use the gems.

You're not because you were specifically referring to the other Power Gem users and you said that the power gem on its own could never empower a user beyond skyfather level.

Thats not based on everyone that has ever used the gems. ❌

If you were basing your argument on everyone who had ever used the gems then you would see that the power gem was sued to amp the others to a universal threat.

Its just a big energy reservoir, how its used is dependent on the user.

However the energy accessible is faaaaaaaaaarr greater than the OdinForce.

If the gem can give Champion(who has no knowledge of the gems abilities and wasn't even consciously tapping it) enough power to shatter a planet with a single punch just because he desires to win, imagine how much it could amp Storms mutant abilitie. Not only would she desire to win but she knows if the gem and how it gives access to unlimited power. She would consciously tap it.

Thor with the Odinforce didn't do anything particularly impressive.

I wonder how many times and ways I will have to say this before you finally are able to understand a very simple comic fact.

No single gem has ever boosted anyone to the level needed to take on a high end skyfather.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Agreed hypothetically speaking Storm should be boosted but not to a universal scale Thor should still have more power at his will than Storm.

The gem would give her access to a universal scale power source. The amping abilities of the power gem are far in excess of the OdinForce.

Thor would not be able to destroy Storm physically if she used the gem to amp up her durability. The gem did this for Champion automatically just because he desired to win, a conscious command was not necessary.

The only way Thor could win is BFR. He could not physically destroy Storm or outpower her.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I wonder how many times and ways I will have to say this before you finally are able to understand a very simple comic fact.

No single gem has ever boosted anyone to the level needed to take on a high end skyfather.

Too bad the power gem has never boosted anyone to the level needed to beat a high end skyfather.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I wonder how many times and ways I will have to say this before you finally are able to understand a very simple comic fact.

No single gem has ever boosted anyone to the level needed to take on a high end skyfather.

What you don't seem to understand is that it was the power gem alone that boosted the others to universal scale.

People like Drax and Champion weren't boosted like that because of their limited knowledge. Champion didn't know the gem had any power, he thought it was a trinket and yet just because of his desire to win the gem made him impervious and gave him the power to shatter planets.

Drax when he had the gem was a dumb powerhouse.

Storms knows of the gems abilities and has witnessed them. She isn't a dumb powerhouse she is a potent energy wielder herself. With the Gem reacting to her desire to win making her impervious to anything Thor could throw at her and with her consciously drawing on the gem she would be physically unbeatable for Thor.

Please try and tell me the OdinForce can destroy someone made impervious by the power gem. 😬

Originally posted by Silent Master
Too bad the power gem has never boosted anyone to the level needed to beat a high end skyfather.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
it boosted Thanos to more than skyfather

When did the power gem(and just the power gem) ever boost Thanos to above skyfather?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
it boosted Thanos to more than skyfather

They want Thor to win, they've already had the argument in their heads and decided he's the victor. No matter what anyone says, they can't get around the idea of Storm beating Thor. 😬

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What you don't seem to understand

Stopping you right here, come back when you want to talk about how the gem actually works in the comics and not how you want it to work.

Originally posted by Silent Master
When did the power gem(and just the power gem) ever boost Thanos to above skyfather?

When he used it to boost the other gems to make him a universal conqueror.

Without the power gem Thanos would not have been able to do what he did in Infinity Gauntlet.

Anyone who knows of the power gems true abilities and commands it to empower them, will be physically virtually unbeatable by anything less than a universal power.

They could be mentally beaten, teleported away, but they cannot be physically beaten or outpowered.

In the cosmic scheme of things Odin probably wouldn't even make the top 20. The power Gem amped the others to make Thanos and Adam threats to the entire universe.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Stopping you right here, come back when you want to talk about how the gem actually works in the comics and not how you want it to work.

In the comics as stated on panel the gem is an energy reservoir that backs a wearer with unlimited power.

You are ignoring explanations for peoples performances with it and then using said performances to dictate how all characters would perform with the power gem. That is illogical and far from objective. 😬

But whatever, i've said all i need to say on the matter, Storm FTW 🙂