The Brothers vs (Insert anyone from anywhere)

Originally posted by Utrigita
Only one problem with your scans master,
it says universes repeatedly
and we know that what was merged was the DC and Marvel Universe
to create the Amalgam Universe,
it was nothing short of a Miracle that the Universes (DC and Marvel) survived like you say.
However the effort that Spectre and LT made,
was to make sure that one of the universes (dc ore Marvel)
wouldn't have been destroyed by the brothers in there little contest.

Originally posted by Utrigita
And why would LT and Spectre need Access help if they truly had the power to force them together
then they should also have the power to separate them again but they haven't. That's right they couldn't stop the brothers from separating
and in that way one of the universes would have been destroyed.

It's on panel dude, you just saw it.

On the other hand,
who told you the LT & Spectre couldn't separate the Brothers?

LT & Spectre only needed Access' help to separate the Brothers SAFELY.
cause otherwise,
the separation by LT & Spectre alone would've cause their obliteration.

As also stated On Panel.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Access LT and Spectre needed batman and Captain America to separate the universes
and prevent momentarily Armageddon.

(they were overlapping ... but separated)

Originally posted by Utrigita
And why would they find it a miracle that the universes existed
if it was them performing the Merging and separating.

http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bro13cj6.jpg

LT & Spectre said it was a miracle,
because BOTH BrotherS were literally on their death bed
due to LT & Spectre's merger.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Also as the LT says in this scan
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=b2ze1.jpg

"We have only delayed the Inevitable"

Originally posted by Utrigita
Also LT accepted fairly earlier in the comic that he couldn't right the wrong that was been done.
http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bro1uh2.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bro2xa7.jpg

Proved when Spectre and himself Remade both Brothers.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Hell they where powerless to do anything, by there own accounts.

I can't agree with that logic friend.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Also two Omniscient beings realize in the battle between the Brothers that powers are unleashed that none have ever witnessed before and the Living Tribunal and Spectre is Awed.

http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bro15qz2.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bro16bi3.jpg

I wonder how much "awe" they had when they realized they were able to
not only force merge BOTH Brothers, thus restructuring them entirely,
and afterwards further realizing
they also had the power to Obliterate Both Brothers via said forced merger.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Also the brothers completely redo the damage
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bro24xy4.jpg

Originally posted by Utrigita
Marvel appendix on the matter notice there powerlevel.

Bios are meaningless if they contradict On Panel depictions.

A discussion we will never agree on. 😎

Originally posted by Mr Master
How does this change the fact that LT & Spectre DID merge the Brothers by force,
and nearly obliterated Both Brothers in the process?

The brothers wasn't near anything that shows them being obliterated, the universe that was about to destroyed was Marvel so in a last ditch effort they merged the brothers, then with the help of Access the Brothers was separated again, All the work Spectre and LT accomplished was only to delay the brothers, so that marvel wouldn't be wiped from existance.

http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bro11tr3.jpg

So, you're gonna try and dismiss that the LT & Spectre merged the Brothers?[/B]

Not really No, I'm trying to show that because LT and Spectre momentially can merge the brothers, they still couldn't separate them, they couldn't directly confront them and only delay them from destroying the Marvel Universe, they would not for long have been capable of holding the brothers together, they couldn't separate the brothers by themselves. Merged them sure, but alot of other things are imo left out, and this in no way point to LT and Spectre being capable of defeating the Brothers

It's on panel dude, you just saw it.[/B]

I did yes.

On the other hand,
who told you the LT & Spectre couldn't separate the Brothers?[/B]

Who told you they could, because on Panel they needed Access.

LT & Spectre only needed Access' help to separate the Brothers SAFELY.
cause otherwise,
the separation by LT & Spectre alone would've cause their obliteration.[/B]

Not exactly the Brothers would have survived but the Marvel universe would have been history since marvel was the loser of the internal fight between the brothers.

As also stated On Panel.

Actually the Brothers had been separated by LT/Spectre and Access,
before Cap and Bats play their parts in the end.

(they were overlapping ... but separated)[/B]

I must disagree Access himself stats that the power Captain America and Batman had was required to separate the brothers.

http://img105.imageshack.us/my.php?image=86596412tv2.jpg

Also you stats so yourself on the previous page.

The above scans are right before the LT & Spectre released the Brothers with Access' help. And whos help did Access require...

Again, as you can see in the scan,
Access is helping them separate the Brothers safely.[/B]

Surely to make sure that marvel isn't obliterated, The brothers isn't mentioned in a single of your scans, expect the instance where they isn't happy, els it's strictly universes that is refered to in all the scans it's the universes that is in danger it's not the brothers.

LT & Spectre said it was a miracle,
because BOTH BrotherS were literally on their death bed
due to LT & Spectre's merger.[/B]

No it was a miracle that the universes (DC Marvel) survived not the brothers.

http://img470.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bro14in8.jpg

Universes again.

Ok,
this only continues to prove how intense the hurting LT & Spectre put on the Brothers was.[/B]

Actually no, The Inevitable is the destruction of either the DC ore Marvel. And why would LT and Spectre consider making the brothers accept to coexist if they could destroy them, the only simply explanation for this turn they couldn't destroy them.

http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bro11tr3.jpg

Statements vs action ... Evidently he was wrong wasn't he? 🙂[/B]

Not from my point of view they was still like dust specs in the battle where the brothers was actually serious.

Proved when Spectre and himself Remade both Brothers.[/B]

With help from Access and again again Universes.

So let's take into consideration what they said,
not what they did.[/B]

Yes lets I guess that is why they couldn't stop the brothers from fighting.

I can't agree with that logic friend.[/B]

It's okay.

Nice.

I wonder how much "awe" they had when they realized they were able to
not only force merge BOTH Brothers, thus restructuring them entirely,
and afterwards further realizing
they also had the power to Obliterate Both Brothers via said forced merger.[/B]

Most of what you are saying here I have already disproved Master the main point is that every time universes are brought up by the narrator you think that it means the brothers, we know that isn't the case since it is a strictly reference to the DC and Marvel Universe the Brothers are always mentioned by name not as universes.

That's at the end,
the merger was gone by then,
and the LT & Spectre were not trying to keep them merged either at this point.[/B]

Because the Brothers had conciled on there own without the help from LT and Spectre.

On Panel >>> Bios ... you know that.

Bios are meaningless if they contradict On Panel depictions. [/B]

Which it IMO doesn't.

The questions are, why, in the first panel, were the Spectre and the Livinging Tribunal capable of merging the Brothers, while in the other they were as insects trying to stop the Brothers's sword from colliding.

There wasnt a whole lot about that crossover that made sense.
The brother's power were supposed to be greater than LT and Spectre, but LT and Spectres actions almost killed them.
And......

Spiderman beating Superboy 😬

Wolverine beating Lobo 😬

Storm beating Wonder Woman 😬

I mean......come on lol

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
There wasnt a whole lot about that crossover that made sense.
The brother's power were supposed to be greater than LT and Spectre, but LT and Spectres actions almost killed them.
And......

Anyone from Anywhere?

Then I pick "The Guy who can beat the Brothers" from a story I just made up.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Anyone from Anywhere?

Then I pick "The Guy who can beat the Brothers" from a story I just made up.

Actually SC beat him to it.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I've just created a character with the power set of being more powerful than them.

Originally posted by Utrigita
A discussion we will never agree on.

Originally posted by Utrigita
The brothers wasn't near anything that shows them being obliterated,

Originally posted by Utrigita
the universe that was about to destroyed was Marvel
so in a last ditch effort they merged the brothers,

that's when the LT & Spectre owned the Brothers by Remaking them entirely.

Originally posted by Utrigita
then with the help of Access the Brothers was separated again,

All the work Spectre and LT accomplished was only to delay the brothers,
so that marvel wouldn't be wiped from existance.

"When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated

Originally posted by Utrigita
I'm trying to show that because LT and Spectre momentially can merge the brothers,
they still couldn't separate them

But all the LT & Spectre needed to do was let go of each others' arms,
and both Brothers would've been Obliterated via the merger.

Originally posted by Utrigita
they couldn't directly confront them

Originally posted by Utrigita
and only delay them from destroying the Marvel Universe,

"When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated"

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You do know the embodiment of both Universes were the Brothers right?

The Brothers ARE the personification of the Universes Access is talking about.

Originally posted by Utrigita
they would not for long have been capable of holding the brothers together

Originally posted by Utrigita
they couldn't separate the brothers by themselves.

Otherwise, the LT & Spectre only had to let go.

(of course, this would've caused the Brothers to be Obliterated)

Originally posted by Utrigita
Merged them sure,
and this in no way
point to LT and Spectre being capable of defeating the Brothers

but the LT & Spectre sure can warp the shit out of the Brothers,
and nearly Obliterate them in the process.

But defeat? ... Never. 🙂

Originally posted by Utrigita
Who told you they could, because on Panel they needed Access.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Not exactly the Brothers would have survived
but the Marvel universe would have been history
since marvel was the loser of the internal fight between the brothers.

Access said ... "When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated

Not when it looked like one Universe would be obliterated.

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And again,
the Brothers ARE the embodiment/personification/totality of the Universes.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Surely to make sure that marvel isn't obliterated

Again, BOTH Brothers were merged together,
BOTH Brothers were about to be Obliterated.

Only one Universe (Marvel) was in danger before the merger,
the whole point of the merger was to save Marvel,
but instead, ... the merger nearly Obliterated BOTH Brothers.

Originally posted by Utrigita
The brothers isn't mentioned in a single of your scans,
expect the instance where they isn't happy,
els it's strictly universes that is refered to in all the scans
it's the universes that is in danger it's not the brothers.

"There's Our Universe and there's this Other ONE, like Ours but different"

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"There are these TWO gods, Entities, ONE in each Universe ... BROTHERS"

"They're the Embodiment of Everything in their Universe"

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Originally posted by Utrigita
No it was a miracle that the universes (DC Marvel) survived not the brothers.

Universes again.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Actually no, The Inevitable is the destruction of either the DC ore Marvel.

Read the scans right above, there's no getting around that fact.

Originally posted by Utrigita
And why would LT and Spectre consider making the brothers accept to coexist
if they could destroy them,
the only simply explanation for this turn they couldn't destroy them.

The LT & Spectre are the respective "guardians" of their company in this story.

The LT & Spectre want the Brothers (Two Universes = DC/Marvel) to survive, not die.
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"Couldn't destroy them?"

On Panel the Brothers were nearly Obliterated by them,
so I don't understand how you came to that conclusion.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Not from my point of view
they was still like dust specs
in the battle where the brothers was actually serious.

Actually,
that scenario that depicts LT/Spectre as insects
just goes to show how absurd This cross-over is.

1. The LT & Spectre act as if there's nothing they can do.
2. The LT & Spectre merge the Brothers by force, and nearly Obliterate Both Brothers.
3. The LT & Spectre are insects.

😆 ... No wonder this garbage was retconned.

Originally posted by Utrigita
With help from Access and again again Universes.

And again, again, the Brothers ARE the Universes.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Yes lets I guess that is why they couldn't stop the brothers from fighting.

Which is why the story is garbage, it contradicts itself.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Most of what you are saying here I have already disproved Master

Originally posted by Utrigita
the main point is that every time universes are brought up by the narrator
you think that it means the brothers,

we know that isn't the case since
it is a strictly reference to the DC and Marvel Universe
the Brothers are always mentioned by name not as universes.

"TWO Whole Universes EMBODIED in these BROTHERS"

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Let's not tread this part of the debate anymore,
otherwise you're willingly ignoring on panel art/character/narrator statements.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Because the Brothers had conciled on there own without the help from LT and Spectre.

When Thanos took control over the Heart of the Universe, universal control was also stated on panel.

Originally posted by Astner
When Thanos took control over the Heart of the Universe,
universal control was also stated on panel.

When dealing with everything (Omniverse)
"The" Universe, refers to the Marvel Universe (everything Marvel)

This is why Thanos became one with the Omniverse (Marvel Universe)

"I was Everything ... bonded to Omni-Reality"

Thanos also states he was "an Asteroid in the Void, shortly after the Big Bang"

This clearly tells us he's dealing with all of Marvel's historical Time.

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This is why Marvel tells us,
Thanos erased the Marvel Universe, then re-created it.

Towards the bottom under (The Ends of The Universe)

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

Originally posted by Mr Master
Access said ... "When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated

Not when it looked like one Universe would be obliterated.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Are you sure the universes aren't just the alternate universes associated with marvel?

I'm absolutely certain Access is talking about Two Universes (Brother Red & Blue)

After all, that's when it seemed like the Universes would be Obliterated,
when the Brothers were merged by LT & Spectre.

Why would only Marvel suffer if BOTH Brothers have been warped completely.

Again,

Marvel was in danger alone BEFORE the warp/merger,
that was the purpose of the merger, (to save Marvel)
instead,
the merger ended up nearly Obliterating them Both.

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This is why Access associates the UniverseS with the Brothers in the SAME panel:

"When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated

The bum helped me jump someplace ... in-between

Someplace where no Aspect of the Brothers existed"

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Right there, we see Access had to enter a place
where, "no Aspect of the Brothers existed"
Interesting,
this happened exactly when it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated

Why?

Because the "Universes" means Both Brothers, which means everything.

This is Why Access went were?

"Where no Aspect of the Brothers existed"

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On top of this, in the bottom of that same page,
we have Batman:

"The Fact that WE'RE still Here
indicates our rather odd status quo has been restored ...
OUR Universes coexisting rather than mashed together."

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Batman is referring to His Universe being Obliterated aswell,
again, this is obvious, I mean ... it was Both Brothers that were warped entirely.

Now we know Batman's Universe
is Not one of Marvel's associated alternate universes.

So I guess we agree, ey K. 🙂

For Thanos, omnireality is a fleeting term. As he had no control what so ever over Atzera's dimension, hence he was limited.

As for the universes ending and Brothers almost dying.

Now this indicates that the Brothers's battle have destroyed all creation before. And appearently it did not kill them, and Access specificly said the universes, and not the Brothers, don't twist the facts.

I do not know everything, the series is quite blurry, but as I've comperhend it.

The place inbetween (the Brothers) where no aspect of the Brothers existed were the Amalgam, the reality of the fused Brothers.

Access is known in Amalgam as a dimension/time travler.
The bum, was his future self and it was he, who have experienced the event that helped him reach the powers of the Amalgam universe. That was enough to separate the Brothers without causing any damage to the surrounding enviorment.

Neither LT, nor Spectre, would beat the 'pre-retcon' Brothers.

Only a God > God could do that. 😖mart:

Originally posted by Galan007
Neither LT, nor Spectre, would beat the 'pre-retcon' Brothers.

Only a God > God could do that. 😖mart:

Originally posted by Astner
Yeah like Son-Goku from Dragonball or something. 😎

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm not debating this though,
it's quite simple,
the Brothers got owned & nearly obliterated by the LT & Spectre,
thus,
the Brothers were not "supreme beings" (as in Toaa/Presence or THOTI) ...

Then why is LT and Spectre there Guardians???

http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bro7pm7.jpg

Really what was they then a cheap version of eternity because that is what you make them look like.

Really? We must be reading different arcs then.[/B]

I Don't think so but never mind.

Yea,

that's when the LT & Spectre owned the Brothers by Remaking them entirely.[/B]

So fusing them together is to remake them completely and owned isn't exactly what happend "a last ditch effort" is normally used in the military to explain either a last desperate attempt ore a final stand. Imo it was a last desparate attempt made by the LT and the Spectre to try and stop marvel from being removed.

Nah, actually both UniverseS (Brothers)
were going to be obliterated after the merger:

"When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated[/B]

Where is it said that if the Universes was destroyed, the Brothers would die as well, Please show me such a Scan where it clearly stats that Destruction of the universes = Destruction of the brothers.

SAFELY you mean? ... I agree.

But all the LT & Spectre needed to do was let go of each others' arms,
and both Brothers would've been Obliterated via the merger.[/B]

No, one of the universes again, where does it say that if you destroy both universes you automaticly destroy the brothers???

Yea, but they can warp their totality, and nearly Obliterate them both in the process.[/B]

Again what can I say Universes.

Again, after the merger,
BOTH UniverseS (Brothers) were in danger of being Obliterated.

"When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated"

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Actually the brothers have survived the previous destruction of there Universe.
http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bro5vc5.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bro6dw0.jpg

There is no reason to believe that they wouldn't survive another destruction, and why would they throw in a battle between the two realms if they knew that it would lead to the death of one of them??

You do know the embodiment of both Universes were the Brothers right?[/B]

So in your openion they are nothing then Eternity and Kismet???

The Brothers ARE the personification of the Universes Access is talking about.[/B]

Then I wonder why it is constantly Universes that is brought up instead of Brothers.

Where is it stated that LT & Spectre were not able to hold the Brothers for long?[/B]

If they could hold the brothers for all eternity would you then care to tell me why they separated them???

SAFELY? ... I agree.[/B]

Otherwise, the LT & Spectre only had to let go.

(of course, this would've caused the Brothers to be Obliterated)[/B][/QUOTE]

Safely to ensure that either universe (Marvel ore DC) wouldn't go down the drain. And why would it concern LT and Spectre that it would destroy the brothers if they let go since there prime objective was to stop them?

The LT & Spectre may not be able to defeat the Brothers, [/B]

Which speak for the brothers being above them when they are actually going to take the battle serious LT and Spectre couldn't do a single thing to oppose them.

but the LT & Spectre sure can warp the shit out of the Brothers,
and nearly Obliterate them in the process.[/B]

In a last ditch effort they warped them to delay the destruction of the marvel Universe.

But defeat? ... Never. 🙂[/B]

So you agree that Spectre and LT couldn't defeat the Brothers in a straight up match, then why are we even debating this 😂

To do it SAFELY? ... I agree. ... No other reason.[/B]

Again Same question why would LT and Spectre have any interest in saving the brothers?

I disagree.

Access said ... "When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated

Not when it looked like one Universe would be obliterated.

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Bad frash my bad, if LT and Spectre would just have let go then both Universes would have been destroyed hence LT and Spectres reason for saying that they had only delayed the brothers, and it was a miracle that the Universes not the brothers existed.

And again,
the Brothers ARE the embodiment/personification/totality of the Universes. [/B]

Of there company. Not there universes.

Classic Beyonder
Thanos HOTI
Infinity Being
Presence
Classic Molecule Man.