The Brothers vs (Insert anyone from anywhere)

Originally posted by Mr Master
"Marvel?"

Again, BOTH Brothers were merged together,
BOTH Brothers were about to be Obliterated.

Only one Universe (Marvel) was in danger before the merger,
the whole point of the merger was to save Marvel,
but instead, ... the merger nearly Obliterated BOTH Brothers.

All I read it that both universes is about to be destroyed, ever the brothers, when the universes is merged, the narrator stats that the Brothers isn't happy about it because that wasn't the outcome they had expected, I don't read them being scared afraid ore in any other way fearing Obliviration do you???

Ut. ... The Brothers ARE the Universes:

"There's Our Universe and there's this Other ONE, like Ours but different"

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"There are these TWO gods, Entities, ONE in each Universe ... BROTHERS"

"They're the Embodiment of Everything in their Universe"

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Sorry master but I have always found that second scan you posted rather funny allow me to quote it in it's totality.

"There are these two um gods, ore whatever you want to call them one in each universe Brothers I guess they are like the embodiment of everything in there universe."

Not to bring your scan down ore anyhing but I have just always found it funny...

The Brothers ARE the Universes ... again.

Which are the Brothers, since they embody DC/Marvel.[/B]

Marvel and DC thats certainly better, because they represent the companies that is what they embodiment, eternity doesn't to my knowlegde embody the Marvel company does he...

Read the scans right above, there's no getting around that fact.[/B]

Again show me a Clear scan that says "when the Universes dies so does the Brothers" ore something along the line.

Why would the LT & Spectre want to destroy them though?[/B]

my question is why wouldn't they??? Spectre and LT is made to protect there universe and to stop this sort of confrontation fact is they couldn't stop it, they could stop it momentially but completely ❌

The LT & Spectre are the respective "guardians" of their company in this story.[/B]

Yes the Brothers (companies) guardiens as shown in a scan above somewhere.

The LT & Spectre want the Brothers (Two Universes = DC/Marvel) to survive, not die.
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"Couldn't destroy them?"

On Panel the Brothers were nearly Obliterated by them,
so I don't understand how you came to that conclusion.[/B]

I don't quiet understand how you came to your own either, again as said before this is something that we shouldn't begin discuss because I wouldn't back down I think the scans clearly speaks for LT and Spectre acting to save the Universes not the brothers because the Brothers is about to destroy the Marvel Universe because it lost the fight. You think that the brothers are equal to the Universes that is mentioned several times I disagree always have and always will simply because I read it entirely differently then you do.

So where is it stated
that the Brothers were joking
or letting themselves get completely warped by LT & Spectre
which nearly lead to their Obliteration?[/B]

No where, it that stated that the brothers was joking all that is stated is that the Brothers wasn't happy about the merging nothing more nothing less.

Actually,
that scenario that depicts LT/Spectre as insects
just goes to show how absurd This cross-over is.[/B]

Well it is absurb but it also shows that LT and Spectre couldn't stop the brothers from fighting when they decided to settle the battle there own way.

1. The LT & Spectre act as if there's nothing they can do.
2. The LT & Spectre merge the Brothers by force, and nearly Obliterate Both Brothers.
3. The LT & Spectre are insects.[/B]

2>1.

😆 ... No wonder this garbage was retconned.[/B]

More likely because Marvel didn't like TOAA's Second being treated like a insect.

The LT & Spectre didn't need Access at all to merge the Brothers,
so you should recant that statement.[/B]

I was taking seperation not merging.

And again, again, the Brothers ARE the Universes.[/B]

again again show me where it stats that if the universes die the Brothers die, That is all I ask master there is no doubt that the universes are the Brothers but Please show me where is stats that if one of the Universes is destroyed The Brothers dies too, it shouldn't be a problem 🙂

Right, but they were able to merge them,
and nearly Obliterate them both via the merger.

Which is why the story is garbage, it contradicts itself.[/B]

Completely.

dontgetit[/B]

Ditto.

AGAIN!

"TWO Whole Universes EMBODIED in these BROTHERS"

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Let's not tread this part of the debate anymore,
otherwise you're willingly ignoring on panel art/character/narrator statements.[/B]

I isn't the only one that is ignoring what the narrator/Character/panel art stats master.

The Brothers were only in existence at that point
because of the LT/Spectre and Access' help. [/B]

Again not from my point of view and from the way I read the story.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Classic Beyonder
Thanos HOTI
Infinity Being
Presence
Classic Molecule Man.

As a Team ore by themselves???

Originally posted by Utrigita
As a Team ore by themselves???

Originally posted by Utrigita
Sorry master but I have always found that second scan you posted rather funny allow me to quote it in it's totality.

"There are these two um gods, ore whatever you want to call them one in each universe Brothers I guess they are like the embodiment of everything in there universe."

Not to bring your scan down ore anyhing but I have just always found it funny...

I didn't see you laughing when you saw Access saying the SAME thing:

"TWO Whole Universes EMBODIED in these BROTHERS"

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You did ignore it though.

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Where are the Universes?

They are EMBODIED in these Universes (that's plain english)

So if one destroyes the Universes, one is destroying the Brothers,
because the Brothers are the sum of Universes, they ARE the Universes.

(it should end here)
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But I gots more my friend.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Marvel and DC thats certainly better, because they represent the companies that is what they embodiment, eternity doesn't to my knowlegde embody the Marvel company does he...
Again show me a Clear scan that says "when the Universes dies so does the Brothers" ore something along the line.
my question is why wouldn't they??? Spectre and LT is made to protect there universe and to stop this sort of confrontation fact is they couldn't stop it, they could stop it momentially but completely

Yes the Brothers (companies) guardiens as shown in a scan above somewhere.
I don't quiet understand how you came to your own either, again as said before this is something that we shouldn't begin discuss because I wouldn't back down I think the scans clearly speaks for LT and Spectre acting to save the Universes not the brothers because the Brothers is about to destroy the Marvel Universe because it lost the fight. You think that the brothers are equal to the Universes that is mentioned several times I disagree always have and always will simply because I read it entirely differently then you do.

No where, it that stated that the brothers was joking all that is stated is that the Brothers wasn't happy about the merging nothing more nothing less.

Well it is absurb but it also shows that LT and Spectre couldn't stop the brothers from fighting when they decided to settle the battle there own way.

More likely because Marvel didn't like TOAA's Second being treated like a insect.

I was taking seperation not merging.

again again show me where it stats that if the universes die the Brothers die, That is all I ask master there is no doubt that the universes are the Brothers but Please show me where is stats that if one of the Universes is destroyed The Brothers dies too, it shouldn't be a problem

Ok,

let me end this:
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When the brothers fought the first time around,
they Killed each other and were Born again,
this cause "Shards" (fragments of the Brothers themselves) to be displaced:

"Fragments of their Essence blew in all directions,
and as the Universe spread so did the Brothers"

Of course they spread with the Universe, they ARE the Universe.

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Here Access clearly states,
that the "Shards" are Part of the Brothers:

"Remember the Brothers LOST Parts of themselves in the Big Bang "SHARDS"

"These "SHARDS" take different Forms"

"Other "SHARDS" become Parts of living Beings, Souls if you will"

"ever so often , One or Two become aware, like me and you"

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In fact,
some each Brother ended up withIN the each other:

"in their Battle, some of each ended up in each OTHER'S Universe"

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Here Access's Future-self clearly states:

"I'm a "SHARD" of the Brothers, just like you"

"I've been the Keeper of the Gateway between TWO Universes"

--------------- Two Universes - Two Brothers ------------------------

"It falls to You to preserve the Balance between the TWO Universes"

--------------------- Brother Red - Brother Blue -----------------------

======== Right here is where the deal is sealed ============

Access clearly states, that the "Shards" that are a Fragment of the Brothers,

are ... are ... ARE ALSO .......... say it with me now:

"I wield a Portion, a Fragment of the Core Power OF THE Universes"

PROOF! ...

Access directly associates the "Shards" as being 'Fragments" of the Brothers,

of the Universes.

Therefore, the Brothers ARE the Universes ... swank

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I think we're done ey.

Even though it should've ended here in all honesty:

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I can't believe with THIS scan being posted ... there's any doubt:

"The Brothers are MERGING Realities, combining Universes"

"They're Creating a Single Universe out of Two"

Am I on buggin? ... Or didn't the Brothers just become One, when they were Two?

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I'm done with this debate,
any further disagreements .. as you wish.

Originally posted by Astner
For Thanos, omnireality is a fleeting term.
As he had no control what so ever over Atzera's dimension, hence he was limited.

Originally posted by Astner
As for the universes ending and Brothers almost dying.

Now this indicates that the Brothers's battle have destroyed [b]all creation before. And appearently it did not kill them, a
nd Access specificly said the universes, and not the Brothers

The full version of that scan now:

Evidently the Brothers were destroyed and re-born,
in fact, they were blasted apart, (a piece of each other even ended up within each other)
they even fractured the Universe they embodied into a Multiverse.

You also missed the part where it states,
"They encompass the Whole of Everything" (what do you think That means)

Meaning, They WERE Creation, they WERE the Universe that got fractured.

That's Why "fragments of their essence blew in all directions"

Because obviously they were the ones affected! ✅

Originally posted by Astner
don't twist the facts.

Thanos with THOTU statlemate the Brother of Marvel

Originally posted by Mr Master
Show me where it's stated Thanos had no influence over Atleza's realm.

So limited absorbs the LT, and erases all of Time/Space, got it.

Now, he's everything in all realities, but he was unaware of that Adam still lived, this puts a limit to his omniscience, which is essential for omnipotence.

This is why I always read comics before posting my friend.

The full version of that scan now:

Evidently the Brothers were destroyed and re-born,
in fact, they were blasted apart, (a piece of each other even ended up within each other)
they even fractured the Universe they embodied into a Multiverse.

You also missed the part where it states,
"They encompass the Whole of Everything" (what do you think That means)

Meaning, They WERE Creation, they WERE the Universe that got fractured.

That's Why "fragments of their essence blew in all directions"

Because obviously they were the ones affected! ✅

Read the comic fully, before accusing me of such. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
I didn't see you laughing when you saw Access saying the SAME thing:

"TWO Whole Universes EMBODIED [B]in these BROTHERS"

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You did ignore it though.

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Where are the Universes?

They are EMBODIED in these Universes (that's plain english)

So if one destroyes the Universes, one is destroying the Brothers,
because the Brothers are the sum of Universes, they ARE the Universes.

(it should end here)
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But I gots more my friend.

Your whole argument is founded on,
you believing the Brothers would not be harmed, only the Universes,
even though the Universes ARE the Brothers.

Ok,

let me end this:
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When the brothers fought the first time around,
they Killed each other and were Born again,
this cause "Shards" (fragments of the Brothers themselves) to be displaced:

"Fragments of their Essence blew in all directions,
and as the Universe spread so did the Brothers"

Of course they spread with the Universe, they ARE the Universe.

.............................................................................

Here Access clearly states,
that the "Shards" are Part of the Brothers:

"Remember the Brothers LOST Parts of themselves in the Big Bang "SHARDS"

"These "SHARDS" take different Forms"

"Other "SHARDS" become Parts of living Beings, Souls if you will"

"ever so often , One or Two become aware, like me and you"

.............................................................................

In fact,
some each Brother ended up withIN the each other:

"in their Battle, some of each ended up in each OTHER'S Universe"

.............................................................................

Here Access's Future-self clearly states:

"I'm a "SHARD" of the Brothers, just like you"

"I've been the Keeper of the Gateway between TWO Universes"

--------------- Two Universes - Two Brothers ------------------------

"It falls to You to preserve the Balance between the TWO Universes"

--------------------- Brother Red - Brother Blue -----------------------

======== Right here is where the deal is sealed ============

Access clearly states, that the "Shards" that are a Fragment of the Brothers,

are ... are ... ARE ALSO .......... say it with me now:

"I wield a Portion, a Fragment of the Core Power OF THE Universes"

PROOF! ...

Access directly associates the "Shards" as being 'Fragments" of the Brothers,

of the Universes.

Therefore, the Brothers ARE the Universes ... swank

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I think we're done ey.

Even though it should've ended here in all honesty:

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I can't believe with THIS scan being posted ... there's any doubt:

"The Brothers are MERGING Realities, combining Universes"

"They're Creating a Single Universe out of Two"

Am I on buggin? ... Or didn't the Brothers just become One, when they were Two?

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I'm done with this debate,
any further disagreements .. as you wish. [/B]

very Nice scans Master, yet you missed the most of my post,

w-h-e-r-e i-s t-h-e o-n P-a-n-e-l s-c-a-n t-h-a-t s-a-y-s t-h-a-t G-o-e-s t-h-e U-n-i-v-e-r-s-e-s s-o d-o-e-s t-h-e B-r-o-t-h-e-r-s?

Because Eternity dies and the universe along with him it doesn't mean that because Kismet dies in the DC then the DC universe will stop function, also that would mean that the UN ore any single universal destroyer would be capable of destroying the brothers 😬 that sounds far off imo.

You can destroy Eternity sure and then destroy the 616 reality but we know that the brothers is like you said previously embodiment of both Companies, so LT and Spectre suddenly have the power to destroy the embodiment of both companies well...

And I agree no reason to continue this, it would be rather pointless.

Originally posted by Utrigita
very Nice scans Master, yet you missed the most of my post,

w-h-e-r-e i-s t-h-e o-n P-a-n-e-l s-c-a-n t-h-a-t s-a-y-s t-h-a-t G-o-e-s t-h-e U-n-i-v-e-r-s-e-s s-o d-o-e-s t-h-e B-r-o-t-h-e-r-s?

Originally posted by Air Legend
Holy shit, read the last scan he posted, then read it over and over and over again until you finally comprehend it and realize that the Brothers are the universes.

Please highlight where is says that if the Universes dies so does the Brothers, can you provide me with such a scan Air Legend if you cannot then well...

shut it 🙂

Btw Master I agree that the LT merged the Brothers I agree that the Universes is the Brothers, what I lack is concrete proof that:

1. The same would happend to the brothers as would to eternity since they are from my point of view foundamential different. One is the Universe the Other part is also the universe but at the same time a representative of the Company.
2. Why in a a number of scans LT and Spectre is either stated to be powerless ore shown to be it, and then others where they apparently warp them with no effort???

I will happily Agree with you Master that it is Garbage when concerning Marvel cosmotology.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Please highlight where is says that if the Universes dies so does the Brothers, can you provide me with such a scan Air Legend if you cannot then well...

shut it 🙂

Since the Brothers ARE the Universes, then if it states the Universes would be destroyed, that means the Brothers would be destroyed.

Originally posted by Air Legend
What part of the Brothers [B]ARE the Universes don't you understand?

Since the Brothers ARE the Universes, then if it states the Universes would be destroyed, that means the Brothers would be destroyed. [/B]

That is the way it works with Eternity thats correct but in DC Kismet holds the same role as eternity (as shown in JLA/Avengers), and if I remember correctly she died but the universe didn't go down the drain along with her.

And again they are far more then the Universe, each of them represent the Company respective Marvel and DC and a On Panel Clearly stats that LT and Spectre is The Brothers Cosmic Guardiens so suddenly we have the creations about to destroy there Creators even though we have instance where LT and Spectre stats they are powerless and shown to be powerless. 😬

But I will discuss this no further until I have heard from Ron Marz

And still no concrete Scan I see.

Originally posted by Astner
Mr Master, you agree that Thanos was one with everything in omnireality.
A old woman's last breath, a feather on a pidgeon and so forth.

Thanos was also an "asteroid shortly after the Big Bang"

Meaning Thanos was one with the history of the Marvel Universe.

Originally posted by Astner
Now Thanos was suprised when Warlock entered the 616th universe/multiverse (inrelevant)
Anyhow, he was not Adam Warlock or anything in Atzela's realm.

Omniscience? srugdoped

Again, imo, Thanos wanted Warlock to survive,
cause according to Warlock,
Thanos wanted someone to "witness his grand gesture"

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If Thanos wanted, he could've absorbed Death too,
and Atleza's realm.

Isn't it a coincidence though,
that Thanos only left (as far as anyone knows) Two realities behind,
Death (his life-time infatuation) and ...
Atlea's realm which contained Warlock.
Warlock, I remember Thanos saying he saw no reason not to erase Warlock aswell,
You know what Warlock responded with:

"Except then no one would witness your grand gesture"

Thanos replies, "I was not aware that I had one planned"

Warlock responds, "The security of the Void is not your way Titan"
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BAMMM!!!

What do yall think that means?

Warlock knew Thanos would end up Re-Creating everything (his grand gesture)
because like he told Thanos:

"I understand you, better than, perhaps, you do yourself,
why I have trusted you so many times in the past"

"The security of the Void is not your way Titan"

Precisely, Thanos doesn't wanna rule over nothing, a Void. 🙂
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IMO,
it's quite conceivable
that Thanos (subconsciously) allowed Death and Warlock to survive for said reasons.

Death for love ...

and Warlock for This .. to witness This:

The "grand gesture"

Originally posted by Astner
Now, he's everything in all realities, but he was unaware of that Adam still lived,
this puts a limit to his omniscience, which is essential for omnipotence.

Originally posted by Astner
The explanation of Access, yes.

Originally posted by Astner
You're right, they encompass all of creation, they are the universes.
But that doesn't mean that if the universes are destroyed they die.

Originally posted by Astner
Again,
all creation ended and begun in the previous encounter of the Brothers.

the Brothers DIED, and were REBORN with Creation,
because they WERE Creation.

"They encompassed the Whole of Everything"

"In the explosion of Death and Re-Birth the Brothers were blasted apart"

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The Brothers were so severely affected by their "Death and Re-Birth"
that they fractured the Universe they encompassed,
and they became a Multiverse.

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Did you bother to read this T?

I know you saw it cause you said,
"the explanation of Access, yes"

The explotion of death and re-birth the Brothers were blasted apart.
It's more likely that it was the universe, or its population that died and was reborn.
I mean if they died and they were blasted apart it would mean that their bodies were intact, how else could they blast apart?
Which can't be because the fragments of the universes were blasted apart.

Originally posted by Utrigita
That is the way it works with Eternity thats correct but in DC Kismet holds the same role as eternity (as shown in JLA/Avengers), and if I remember correctly she died but the universe didn't go down the drain along with her.

Kismet never died in that arc, neither did Eternity.

Originally posted by Utrigita
And again they are far more then the Universe,
each of them represent the Company respective Marvel and DC

The Marvel Omniverse is one infinite Universe,
broken into segments to differentiate one from another.

Hence, the infinite multiplicity of Universes.

Originally posted by Utrigita
and a On Panel Clearly stats that LT and Spectre is The Brothers Cosmic Guardiens
so suddenly we have the creations about to destroy there Creators even though we have instance where LT and Spectre stats they are powerless and shown to be powerless.

Originally posted by Utrigita
But I will discuss this no further until I have heard from Ron Marz

Originally posted by Utrigita
And still no concrete Scan I see.

Originally posted by Astner
The explotion of death and re-birth the Brothers were blasted apart.
It's more likely that it was the universe, or its population that died and was reborn.
I mean if they died and they were blasted apart it would mean that their bodies were intact, how else could they blast apart?

Originally posted by Astner
Which can't be because the fragments of the universes were blasted apart.

Look, at this point, after all the evidence,
who doesn't get it, will have to stay suffering, I'm done.

Still waiting.... not for the scan but a comment from the writer to sort (imo) this mess out.

Originally posted by Mr Master
stoned

Originally posted by Peek
I can't begin to tell you how stupid you look with those smiley faces.

Anywho, you got something of significance to contribute to the debate?
Otherwise your comment is off-topic, inconsequential and literally meaningless.

Oh and ... stoned