Gray Fox Vs. Master Chief

Started by sigma-ct4214 pages
well thats up for debate, in the game you go to kick him and he vanishes and at the same momen he apears behind you, but who knows?

If i recall he was using cloaking wasn't he?

im sorry, but the makers of all the metal gears made them with a weakness so that it couldnt be used against them, i know that for a fact

indeed. if radome on rex gets destroyed, the pilot is vulnerable.

ok so, this is what ive deduced so far from what has been "agreed" apon (im using that term loosly) mc cant hurt gf with bullets, gf might be able to hurt mc with his sword if he hit him enough, but we dont know if he is fast enough to even do that, rocket launcher is out, its way to slow, the beam canon or whatever it is called, gf would notice it before it hit him, so basicly it would boil down to mc with fists, unless he has an energy sword, against gf with his sword, so the only argument right now (as far as im conserned) is who is faster, and there really is no way to know that, it hasnt been specified exactly how fast gf is, i dont know how fast mc is im just taking your word for it, but from what i saw from the game gf is probaly about the same as far as speed is conserned, so basicly it would be an epic crazy long fight that the conclusion is unknown

Well i'm sure the beam rifle could likely strike GF considering rex's did it. but other then that. i agree, too much "unknown" to reach a real conclusion. i'm done.

Originally posted by sigma-ct42
he reacts faster then the speed of light

What's that smell? Is bullshit cookin'?

After rereading it seems spartans have a reaction time of 20 milliseconds. which is even faster in combat. but meh.
still faster then anything GF has shown.

I'm glad you realized I wasn't talking about food.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I'm glad you realized I wasn't talking about food.

I was being sarcastic mate.

So was I. The claim that MC can react at the speed of light, let alone faster, put me in a sarcastic mood.

Originally posted by sigma-ct42
If i recall he was using cloaking wasn't he?

yes he has cloaking but its not that, its the fact that he vanishes and at the exact same time he reapears behind you ready to attack, he might have cloacked but he virtualy teleports after that

Originally posted by sigma-ct42
I'm avoiding facts? lol

he sees bullets in slow motion. he reacts faster then the speed of light,he moves so fast he can't be seen by the human eye. all spartans do.when has GF moved this fast exactly? never. you are being a fanboy and ignoring these facts.

How.in.the.hell.do.you.know?

their strength has never been given a limit. you again, are fanboying and assuming GF is stronger because he held up a mech's leg. until chief is given a specific limit. we'll never know. deal with it.strength is pretty irrelevant here anyway. considering chief has defeated enemies stronger then himself.

basically what i said with added emphasis.your point?

yes it does. the radome. without it the pilot is forced to open the cockpit. not to mention anti tank missiles can harm it. scarabs cannot be destroyed by such a thing.

Soooo chief is superior to himself?....

I just bursted out laughing.

This is the stupidest thing you've said.

just because one can be hurt by annother does not make them "weaker" that falls under how durable one is. not how strong one is..this ain't DBZ mate.

1. Yeah, you are.

2. Prove the faster than light thing. You do that and I'll concede the entire debate. Though it is probably hyperbole, considering MC has also been stated to "strike as fast as a cobra," but cobras=Lightspeed, right? As for the bullets thing, bullets have nothing on GF, who is able to effortlessly dodge and deflect bullets in a manner MC has never shown. As for the human eye thing, not a quantifiable speed feat, never has been in any sort of fiction, don't use it, not to mention GF's bullet dodging and deflecting easily puts his reflexes beyond that.

3. So you are committing a No-Limits fallacy by even attempting to argue this. Because MC has not shown any limits, should we assume he is stronger than Superman? No, same with GF. Until he gets a strength feat that is on par with GF's, he is weaker.

4. You are over-glorifying it is my point.

5. No. But they can be destroyed by a grenade or two in its easily exposable core. 😬

6. Hm. Cute. Instead of addressing my point, you make fun of a typo despite the fact that it was apparent what I was asserting, that GF is overall superior to MC.

7. Care to prove different? Being a Spartan isn't a feat, what skill does he really show?

8. And can you inform me when I said MC being physically injured by Elites makes MC weaker? I said the Elites are weaker than GF(who if you notice was strong enough to throw his sword through REX), so logically if they can harm MC, GF could do it with less effort.

1. Yeah, you are.

There hasn't been a moment where i have. in fact you just keep adding speculated crap claiming it to be fact.

oh like: "raiden is stronger then MC"

Prove the faster than light thing. You do that and I'll concede the entire debate. Though it is probably hyperbole, considering MC has also been stated to "strike as fast as a cobra," but cobras=Lightspeed, right? As for the bullets thing, bullets have nothing on GF, who is able to effortlessly dodge and deflect bullets in a manner MC has never shown. As for the human eye thing, not a quantifiable speed feat, never has been in any sort of fiction, don't use it, not to mention GF's bullet dodging and deflecting easily puts his reflexes beyond that.

1.In case you can't read. i corrected that in the post above.the "the strike as fast as a cobra" statement isn't to be taken literal. it represents his speed.

2. Chief doesn't need to deflect bullets.

3.chief can react at a speed of 20 milliseconds. much faster in combat. chief can run at speeds around 65.205 MPH. fall of reach/ghosts of onyx cover this.

deflecting easily puts his reflexes beyond that.

No it doesn't. considering bullets look slow to MC.

As for the human eye thing, not a quantifiable speed feat, never has been in any sort of fiction

Have you even been paying attention? It.is.in.the.books.

So you are committing a No-Limits fallacy by even attempting to argue this. Because MC has not shown any limits, should we assume he is stronger than Superman? No, same with GF. Until he gets a strength feat that is on par with GF's, he is weaker.

I never said that. you are over glorifying the holding up of a leg.Until he is given a limit it is unknown,and whatever you say is OPINION.like i told you before: believe what you want. when you actually have proof GF is stronger come back, otherwise stop wasting my time. i want proof from official sources, not your opinion.

and as i said before: chief has killed enemies stronger then himself.

No. But they can be destroyed by a grenade or two in its easily exposable core

In halo 3. not the variant seen in halo 2.

Hm. Cute. Instead of addressing my point, you make fun of a typo despite the fact that it was apparent what I was asserting, that GF is overall superior to MC.

I couldn't understand what you had said, don't take it so hard.

Care to prove different? Being a Spartan isn't a feat, what skill does he really show?

In halo 2 chief flies out with a covenant bomb in space. guides it to a covenant capital ship in the middle of a space battle and then detonates it, kicks again it sending it precisely in the ship's core and himself outward.

just to name one.how much halo media have you been exposed to exactly?

And can you inform me when I said MC being physically injured by Elites makes MC weaker?

From how you wrote it, it came off that way. so my apologies.

You are over-glorifying it is my point.

Ummm..no. i'm asking you why you bothered to restate the same thing. what is your point?

ok you guys, dont make me turn the car around. if you talk politely you get a better reaction

Originally posted by sigma-ct42
There hasn't been a moment where i have. in fact you just keep adding speculated crap claiming it to be fact.

oh like: "raiden is stronger then MC"

1.In case you can't read. i corrected that in the post above.the "the strike as fast as a cobra" statement isn't to be taken literal. it represents his speed.

2. Chief doesn't need to deflect bullets.

3.chief can react at a speed of 20 milliseconds. much faster in combat. chief can run at speeds around 65.205 MPH. fall of reach/ghosts of onyx cover this.

No it doesn't. considering bullets look slow to MC.

Have you even been paying attention? It.is.in.the.books.

I never said that. you are over glorifying the holding up of a leg.Until he is given a limit it is unknown,and whatever you say is OPINION.like i told you before: believe what you want. when you actually have proof GF is stronger come back, otherwise stop wasting my time. i want proof from official sources, not your opinion.

and as i said before: chief has killed enemies stronger then himself.

In halo 3. not the variant seen in halo 2.

I couldn't understand what you had said, don't take it so hard.

In halo 2 chief flies out with a covenant bomb in space. guides it to a covenant capital ship in the middle of a space battle and then detonates it, kicks again it sending it precisely in the ship's core and himself outward.

just to name one.how much halo media have you been exposed to exactly?

From how you wrote it, it came off that way. so my apologies.

Ummm..no. i'm asking you why you bothered to restate the same thing. what is your point?

1. By feats Raiden is much stronger than MC.

2. 1. Well 20 millisecond reaction-time is nowhere near as fast as you think it is, in less than 2 milliseconds light can travel 300 KM in a vacuum.

2.2. But we assume he can do it in the same manner GF can do, right? 🙄

2.3. Gray Fox was being fired at by what would be considered a large turret by REX. Those type of guns typically fire bullets at a speed around 1,200-1,500 meters per second. Gray Fox was at best 30 meters away. That is 40 times less than the speed the bullet can go in a second if we are using the lower of the two numbers, so to dodge a single bullet, GF would have to be reacting about 25 milliseconds, and he was not dodging single bullets, he was dodging rapid machine-gun fire, and this is assuming they were going the speed of the lower number, so Raiden is at least as fast as Master Chief in reflex, and is much faster in movement.

3. True, MC can see bullets in slow motion, but he has not shown the same effortless machine-gun dodging speed of GF.

4. I don't care where it is, it is not quantifiable.

5. I showed you a feat of GF that MC has never matched. I don't have to prove your character, until MC has a feat that says otherwise, he must be assumed to be weaker.

6. In Halo 2 you just had to jump on its back and go to the control room. 😐

7. I'll take it as hard as I want. 🙁

8. Which does not mean a thing in one-on-one combat. 😐

Enough to know that MC has been shown to flip tanks of roughly 66 tons, that he can run half a kilometer in I think 17 seconds with a broken ankle, that he fell from lower orbit and was physically fine, his suit was just locked up, and that like all Spartans he was trained in extensive Military un-armed and armed combat.

To be fair, atmospheric resistance would lower chief to terminal velocity durign the fall, and I'm assuming his suit is heat resistant.

sorry not to change the subject or anything, but did any of you see the lakers game last night?

I heard GF won 90 - 8. =P

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
To be fair, atmospheric resistance would lower chief to terminal velocity durign the fall, and I'm assuming his suit is heat resistant.
Well even so, that is a feat of durability GF has not shown to match.

I only mentioned it because the feat gets overhyped.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I only mentioned it because the feat gets overhyped.

How is it overhyped?

At all?

Because, the feat is treated as though he has collided with the ground while propelled by rockets.

He's a thousand pound object that fell at terminal velocity from the upper stratosphere.

... That is THOUSANDS of pounds of force on impact.

Master Chief saved the Universe three times over, so the win goes to him.

Also, the makers of Halo have made enough money to buy Switzerland, so they could buy the damn title if they wanted.

Also, Chief is more bad ass than Gray Fox.

Oh, and Metal Gear sucks overall as a game. As a movie, it would be awesome, but as game. It's pretty much a turd sandwich thrown at you by your drunken mom, as your dad storms out of the trailer. That's my impression of it at least. 😕