EVANGEL94's Final Slugfest Tournament Discussion Thread: Questions, Comments, & Talk

Started by King Kandy76 pages

What rule is that?

Also, Shaggy Man is far, far above six points.

Originally posted by King Kandy
What rule is that?

My bad it hasn't actually been addressed publicly yet. Evidently it was just via PM to Trick...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=10224815#post10224815

Originally posted by King Kandy
Also, Shaggy Man is far, far above six points.

But but but

Hulk has better feats

Hal Jordan can beat him as well.

Originally posted by darthgoober
My bad it hasn't actually been addressed publicly yet. Evidently it was just via PM to Trick...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=10224815#post10224815


No, you see, that doesn't count in this case. Amazo can only have one form drafted because only the listed 20-point form is on the list. However, you can draft any herald you want. it's only the 10 and 20 pointers that have that limitation.

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
But but but

Hulk has better feats

Hal Jordan can beat him as well.


Hal beat him ONCE.

However, the number of times Hal has been unable to beat him is far above that.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Hal beat him ONCE.

However, the number of times Hal has been unable to beat him is far above that.

Not to mention the multiple times it has taken the entire JLA to just bareley beat him 😬

http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generalvsjla7fq7.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/9215/generalvsjla8ja9.th.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generalvsjla9bt9.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generalvsjla10su0.jpg

Would you say, if put in a similar situation, Juggernaut wouldn't fare as well?

Even in your scans Shaggy Man isn't manhandling the JLA like a true above-top-tier-teamwrecker like Mangog would.

Nah, he's not manhandling him, but anyone who can take the whole JLA, even at a stalemate, is above six points.

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Would you say, if put in a similar situation, Juggernaut wouldn't fare as well?

Even in your scans Shaggy Man isn't manhandling the JLA like a true above-top-tier-teamwrecker like Mangog would.

Okay how about this
http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generalvsjla8ad0.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generalvsjla9vs0.jpg
http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generalvsjla10qj1.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generalvsjla12gu7.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generalvsjla13jh1.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generalvsjla14vh0.jpg

Anyone who can pwn Orion that easily is >>> than Herald Level

Plus he took the astro-force unharmed in that scan.

Middle
Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Cpt. Comet, Captain Marvel (DC), Count Nefaria, Damien Hellstrom, Evinlea, The Fallen One, Firelord, Firestorm, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), The General (Shaggy Man), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John, Katma, Kilowog), Hulk, Hyperion, Ikaris, Imperiex Probes, Juggernaut (Classic), Kid Omega, Lobo, Loki, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Metamorpho, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sersi, Shaman, Skreet, Supergirl, Supreme, Swamp Thing, Terrax the Tamer, Void, Waverider, Wildfire, Witchfire (Demon Form), Wonder Woman

Juggernaut has taken a Godblast unflinching

Hey, before Trickster starts shit about classic Dr. Strange, i'm going to clarify why he's legal (imo) and him hand-picking Amazo isn't.

First off, Evangel never said you had to use current versions. In fact, we've already seen it happen with Stack's Fate. The only rule is that you can't pick two versions... so if I pick classic, no one can pick current.

Now, the problem with Trickster's draft is that for ten point and twenty point characters, ONLY the ones listed are valid. You can't pick a certain version of Amazo because only the current version is a valid pick. It's not a double standard, it's a rule that only applies to 10 and 20 point characters...

Question: with a character like Strange, will he need to purchase extra stuff to do things like time manip, BFR, boosting others, matter manip, etc?? Because about half of those purchase-able items are things that he can do, and you'd really only be able to afford 1-2, especially with other characters, prep time purchases, etc.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Hey, before Trickster starts shit about classic Dr. Strange, i'm going to clarify why he's legal (imo) and him hand-picking Amazo isn't.

First off, Evangel never said you had to use current versions. In fact, we've already seen it happen with Stack's Fate. The only rule is that you can't pick two versions... so if I pick classic, no one can pick current.

Now, the problem with Trickster's draft is that for ten point and twenty point characters, ONLY the ones listed are valid. You can't pick a certain version of Amazo because only the current version is a valid pick. It's not a double standard, it's a rule that only applies to 10 and 20 point characters...

It's one thing when there are two defined versions of the character.

It's entirely different when the distinction you're making has no comic basis.

As far as the comics are concerned, current Strange IS classic Strange; he's just suffered a bit of 'reverse' power-creep.

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
K I have a problem with Mogo.

A planet Green Lantern who's power source is only surpassed by the central battery.

Barring the no feats foolishness common sense tells me

Planet + GL ring + power source second to central battery = above 6 points

IDRC about borderline breaks like Waverider or w/e and never really care enough to voice my opinion on drafting over caps in tourneys like this

but

Planet + GL ring + power source second to central battery = most certainly above 6 points

You keep throwing around the term "Planet" like it means something. What does being a planet give him, exactly? I won't argue it, but you haven't even made a case yet.

So far there is no indication that Planet+Ring > Human+Ring, except they have a bigger and stronger gravitational field... which is easily surpassed by anybody that belongs at 6 points.

As for the power source, what can Mogo, in character, with restrictions, in the middle of battle, do that Hal can't do?

If a human is worth 1 point
How many points would a planet be worth?

1?

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
If a human is worth 1 point
How many points would a planet be worth?

1?

Considering the planet couldn't even fit inside the field, and you still haven't given actual reasoning?

Originally posted by SmurphSmash!
Considering the planet couldn't even fit inside the field,

So you're conceeding the point and redrafting?

Considering the planet couldn't even fit inside the field.

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
So you're conceeding the point and redrafting?

Considering the planet couldn't even fit inside the field.

lmao

Don't put words in my mouth because you can't prove shit.

It's up to you to make a case, not just pretend you have one by drawing completely groundless conclusions from an entirely irrelevant statement to what you're trying to conclude I'm saying.