Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't know Smurph... he might have a point with size issue. The fact that Mogo HAS to be altered before he can be used means that he really shouldn't be eligible for drafting in in the first place because he himself is normally ineligible. It's kind of a "loophole" way to get him barred but it DOES make sense...
I didn't see any 'size requirement' on the drafting rules.
There is a given size to the battlefield - but no rules concerning size when drafting.
Damn bottem of the page...
Originally posted by darthgoober
Don't get me wrong if it's cool with Evangel then I'm fine with it, I don't plan on raising a big fuss over the size issue or anything like that. I was just pointing out that there is some foundation to the objection because he IS technically ineligible on his own. But as you pointed out that's easily remedied, so it doesn't really bother me that much as long as Evangel doesn't mind. 🙂
Originally posted by SmurphSmash!
Actually, you did, when you started attempting to imply that irrelevant comments were concessions on my part, to avoid making a case yourself.
Oh, so pointing out contradictions are "irrelevant comments."
You admitted/implied that under your own reasoning drafting a planet would be illogical (to dodge a point I was attempting to make in the first place) and are now trying to lie your way out of it.
Not having a specific scan of a planet being busted,
You asked for on panel proof of Mogo being greater then a average GL and I asked for on panel proof of Superman demolishing a planet. Your inadequacies to remain consistent with your argument style is not on me.
but seeing a gigantic moon busted with ease and knowing
I saw a picture of him drilling into a moon and that's supposed to be proof of busting a planet? All I know that could just be him carving up the surface.
Superman's insane strength, speed, durability and general busting feats, would mean I was lying?
Yup, how does being able to lift "insert massive object here" translate to busting a planet? IOW you can't even prove on-panel that Superman could take Mogo (keeping in mind that busting him would mean killing him, out of character tactics).
You don't have ANYTHING to back up your planet GL > human GL claim,
Common sense backs my claim, of course, your shaky on-panel only argument doesn't even prove that Superman and H/P Doomsday are on the same level as Gladiator.
Is the planet more skilled?
Doesn't need to be, when you're a PLANET WITH A GL RING AND A POWER SOURCE SECOND ONLY TO OA.
Because, there are ways you can reduce the size given the tourney rules, prep, amalgamation, powers, etc.
So then, back to the original point, drafting a human = 1 point
drafting a planet = ??? points?
PS: If you plan on reducing size/amalgamating Mogo, why not just save the trouble and draft Hal Jordan/Kyle Rayner/etc (who, by your reasoning, are MUCH more powerful), I'm not the only person with a problem with Mogo....
I have a question in regards to Mogo because I know nothing about him and haven't been following GL in a while now. Does the fact that he has the second largest power source next to the Central Battery mean that he's got a bigger power reservoir than Ion, or are they talking about something other than the power of the ring?
I allowed Mogo at first because at the time I felt most Herald level beings could smash planets if they wanted too. So if a person wanted to draft a planet that could get smashed then at the time I didn't see a problem.
My main concern is how much the green lantern ring and power reserve boost Mogo. And is that boost provided by the green lantern ring able to stop a pissed off Herald Level from smashing him. Let's use Terrax and Superman as the benchmark. Would a pissed off Superman fighting Mogo be the same as a pissed off Superman fighting Hal Jordan?
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And Yes, I am aware he is huge and won't fit in the standard battlefield. I would have just made a larger battlefield to accomidate the size. Simple as that.
So I was looking through some old Mogo threads to find out a little more about him and I came across some very interesting post from some very well known and respected debaters here on KMC
From Mogo vs Ego...
Originally posted by Val
They're basically the same except Mogo has a power ring or a power equator as its seen.I get the feeling he's about to be killed off though. 🙁
Originally posted by DigiMark007
How is it any weirder than Ego? They're both sentient planets. 😕Anyway, probably Mogo, but who knows how it would play out in a comic.
And from Mogo vs Darkseid...
Originally posted by SmurphSmash!
Mogo's >/= Odin ...
Originally posted by Blair Wind
You know Mogo has more power than just a Ring right? I mean besides the fact that well his ring is gigantic 😐I mean he has like reality warping powers (every freaking time Kyle goes down there I swear his Ex girlfriend pops up), and he can control his whole "body" a la Ego (gravity, storms, lava, earth).
I dont know much about the Dark God though so eh.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Mogo is A LOT more powerful than simply being a Corpsman with a ring.
(These three go together)
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He's still going down to Darkseid. doped
Originally posted by quanchi112
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Originally posted by Soljer
Wow...I'm actually AGREEING with Quanchi here.
Now is it just me, or do those post suggest that Mogo's more powerful than is being let on? If it was all hype and "forum talk" that's one thing, but given the reputed knowledge of several of those Posters I'm starting to find it hard to believe that Mogo's acceptable in this thing.
No offense of course Smurph, like I said it's entirely possible that you were all exited on hype, I'm just trying to make sure that it actually WAS hype and that it's not still the forum consensus...
Originally posted by Soljer
It's one thing when there are two defined versions of the character.It's entirely different when the distinction you're making has no comic basis.
As far as the comics are concerned, current Strange IS classic Strange; he's just suffered a bit of 'reverse' power-creep.
I agree. There is no 'classic' or 'current'. Dr. Strange is simply Dr. Strange.
If you draft wolverine, all other wolverines, such as ultimate wolverine, are off limits.
Originally posted by darthgooberMeh... prior to that comment, I had read little to no Mogo. Other then when he once created a giant baseball glove... lulz.
No offense of course Smurph, like I said it's entirely possible that you were all exited on hype, I'm just trying to make sure that it actually WAS hype and that it's not still the forum consensus...
All I had known was Val, champion of the GL's, claiming that Mogo = Ego + Ring.
When I looked into it more thoroughly?
I haven't seen proof.
Granted, he's probably near the top of the 6 pointers, but I CERTAINLY don't see justification for him being, say, 10 points. All that's been said is that he can manipulate his surface (I've seen him do this once...), and that he's a planet. Well, no shit.
I have yet to see something that puts him at 10-point level. Keep in mind, he's already in the same category with people like 8th Day Juggs... now people are arguing he should be higher? Lulz.
If so, by the by, my second draft should be much lower.
And yeah Goob, this was not largely directed at you. Pretty much anybody with questions.
Anyways, this isn't my case to make. And yes, I've personally overlooked Joey Stack's latest reply, because it's the same rehashed junk and accusations over again, with no reasoning.
Originally posted by darthgoober
So I was looking through some old Mogo threads to find out a little more about him and I came across some very interesting post from some very well known and respected debaters here on KMCFrom Mogo vs Ego...
And from Mogo vs Darkseid...
(These three go together)
Now is it just me, or do those post suggest that Mogo's more powerful than is being let on? If it was all hype and "forum talk" that's one thing, but given the reputed knowledge of several of those Posters I'm starting to find it hard to believe that Mogo's acceptable in this thing.
No offense of course Smurph, like I said it's entirely possible that you were all exited on hype, I'm just trying to make sure that it actually WAS hype and that it's not still the forum consensus...
The statements from the Ego thread don't concern me all that much but the points made in the Mogo vs DS one do. In fact the idea that even on hype Mogo could be taken that far seems to say he should bump up from 6 points. Maybe not to 10 but it seems to place him well above the norm for GLs.
As I said, I was sorely mistaken.
Odin vs. Mogo thread... responses were all Odin, things like "Odin, 10/10".
But again, still not a case made.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I have a question in regards to Mogo because I know nothing about him and haven't been following GL in a while now. Does the fact that he has the second largest power source next to the Central Battery mean that he's got a bigger power reservoir than Ion, or are they talking about something other than the power of the ring?
Guys, this is a discussion thread and not a spam/flame/troll/bash/debate thread. Evangel94, Digi, PR and myself have all asked that things be kept civil. These tournaments are privileges. Tournament hosts and judges use their spare time to make it work. I don't want to see any more petty arguments. Thanks.
Papa Smurph (Joey Stacks), your posts have been in reports too often recently and different mods have spoken to you about your behavior. I suggest that you tone it down. The next warning will result in a temp ban at the very least. If you enjoy KMC then please think about my suggestion.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Question: with a character like Strange, will he need to purchase extra stuff to do things like time manip, BFR, boosting others, matter manip, etc?? Because about half of those purchase-able items are things that he can do, and you'd really only be able to afford 1-2, especially with other characters, prep time purchases, etc.