I just want to be clear that there is no 'classic' and 'current' Dr. Strange. It is up to the contestant to argue and convince voters of their strategy.
Hey TricksterPriest, Just curious. If I would open up Darkseid to "as seen in the last five years" would it make him more tempting to you?
-Evangel94
Tomorrow's draft will be the final draft. Draft 4 will allow you to spend the rest of your points however you wish, and make any changes you want to your current selections.
Also, to all people who have a character that is in question, I have not forgotten you. Tomorrow will be used to finalize all teams. And I will make my rulings tomorrow.
-Evangel94
Originally posted by darthgooberIt's plainly silly to have a character cost 6 points, when without the necessity of purchasing any additional abilities said character was able to single-handedly fell a 20 point character at the level they are limited to, in exactly the same manner as depicted in the comic (Fantastic Four v1 #243) to which their limits have been determined.
Strange was kind of a hot topic too until Evangel made the ruling on him.
If the characters total showings are to be taken account, as opposed to the most recent, including the comic above, then the character is clearly not a 6 point character.
Also why would one draft Zoom when as far as I'm aware he'd be powerless?
Additionally as far as I'm aware classic (Kent Nelson) Dr Fate was basically analagous to classic Dr Strange in terms of magical ability, and had pre-crisis Superman physical attributes.
Then would in your opinion would Hector Hall be better suited for the role of Nabu in this tournament? Since there have been multiple Dr. Fate's but only one Dr. Strange.
Also, I don't make the distinction between 'classic' or 'current' Dr. Strange. Those are fan-made terms and not actual versions. Take all showings into account for the character, both recent and past when making your decision on whether or not whatever strategy King Kandy has up his sleeve will work. Remember you are the voters in this tournament. It is up to King Kandy to convince you when his battle comes.
Neither Dr Strange (if one is taking into account his much older showings) nor pre-crisis Dr Fate or other incarnations when he is essentially Nabu (an skyfather to abstract level being) inhabiting a human host, should be available in a tournament at 6 points, when Galactus costing 20 points is limited to the levels at which the same Dr Strange caused catatonia by a telepathic spell.
No doubt the intention is to use Dr Strange's highest showings and these all occur in a period in the past that don't reflect his current abilities. A period in the past where if taken alone would put him at a higher cost.
Meanwhile he can no longer teleport long distances, he no longer has telepathy, he can no longer defend himself from a ninja. He can't even really cast magic well without his hands. There's really nothing to say he can really do half the things he once did.
Classic Dr Fate and "classic" Dr Strange, are essentially equals. They would be at least 10 point characters, and possibly even 20 point characters.
Arguing about Mogo on the basis that it's a planet, despite that other Green Lanterns available for 6 points have far better feats, while allowing a character that has without much effort pushed a planet into a sun and while weakened stalemated Spectre go unquestioned is highly inconsistent.
There is only one Galactus in 616 continuity too and he is being restricted to a certain appearance.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Neither Dr Strange (if one is taking into account his much older showings) nor pre-crisis Dr Fate or other incarnations when he is essentially Nabu (an skyfather to abstract level being) inhabiting a human host, should be available in a tournament at 6 points, when Galactus costing 20 points is limited to the levels at which the same Dr Strange caused catatonia by a telepathic spell.No doubt the intention is to use Dr Strange's highest showings and these all occur in a period in the past that don't reflect his current abilities. A period in the past where if taken alone would put him at a higher cost.
Meanwhile he can no longer teleport long distances, he no longer has telepathy, he can no longer defend himself from a ninja. He can't even really cast magic well without his hands. There's really nothing to say he can really do half the things he once did.
Classic Dr Fate and "classic" Dr Strange, are essentially equals. They would be at least 10 point characters, and possibly even 20 point characters.
Arguing about Mogo on the basis that it's a planet, despite that other Green Lanterns available for 6 points have far better feats, while allowing a character that has without much effort pushed a planet into a sun and while weakened stalemated Spectre go unquestioned is highly inconsistent.
There is only one Galactus in 616 continuity too and he is being restricted to a certain appearance.
KK is drafting Dr. Strange. There is no 'current' or 'classic' Dr. Strange. Current and Past showings all go into the character as he is today. If you feel that Dr. Strange is incapable of performing what Kind Kandy says he will do in his battle, then reflect that thinking in your vote. Dr. Strange is at best (without prep) a Herald level being. With prep, Dr. Strange can be much more than that. However, KK is paying for that privelege of extra-prep and time with his points. So it depends on the write-up and what kind of prep King Kandy buys.
Using Galactus as a benchmark is not a reflection of the 6 point category. Galactus may be weak, but if you buy prep, then you can power up him up. Not to mention I am sure alot of preparation and timing went into Dr. Strange deciding to attack a weakened Galactus. If you want to compare Dr. Strange or Dr. Fate against other characters, then compare them against other characters in the Herald level category they are in such as Black Adam, Thor, Silver Surfer, or Superman.
It can be argued that Superman can put up a fight against Darkseid, however it doesn't away from Darkseid's Omega Effect in this tournament. Especially it's ability to BFR and offensive power. It can be argued that Dr. Strange could have snuffed out World War Hulk's life in an instant, but was fooled and and defeated. There are plenty of 'theoretical' situations however not all of them will work in practice, and it up to the voter to decide what works and what doesn't based on the write-up and debate.
As to Dr. Fate, I will allow Hector Hall, if the current version chosen is too powerful. I haven't read the comic you posted, while I appreciate you taking the time to post scans, I don't want to take it out of context. Which Dr. Fate version is in the comic you posted? Specifically the character or human host of Dr. Fate in that scan.
-Evangel94
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...I am going to clarify power boosting since some of you (i won't name who) are asking me some pretty weird things.
Examples of Power Boosting.
1. An electric character becomes more powerful if they have more electricity. You buy 36 hours of prep, and draft Storm. During the entire prep you hit that character with lightning bolts from the sky using storm in order to boost that characters power.
2. You draft Hercules, the Hulk, and a Nurse. You buy 36 hours prep as well. During the prep, you give Hulk's blood via a transfusion to Hercules in order to make Hercules into Hulk Hercules which makes him extra strong.
3. You draft Silver Surfer and 2 other Heralds of Galactus and 2 hours of Prep and power boosting. You have Silver Surfer drain the other Heralds of Galactus and add their power to Silver Surfers own Power Cosmic to Super Charge Silver Surfer with lots of Power Cosmic.
Note: Building tech from scratch doesn't count as power boosting, unless that tech is used to increase a characters regular native power. ie Using Dr. Doom and Reed Richards to build a device that boosts strength three fold and gives the character laser vision.
Examples of Not Power Boosting:
1. You draft Hulk, Hulk's Wife from Planet Hulk(Cairea?), and an Amalgam of Superman and Joker and 15 minutes of Battlefield Prep. 30 seconds before your prep is up, you have SuperJoker kill Hulk's wife in front of him making Hulk really mad. You then unleash Hulk on the other team.
2. You draft Hulk, Doctor Doom, 36 hours of prep in a science lab. You tie down hulk with adamantium restraints, and poke hulk with a 100,00 Volt Cattleprod for 36 hours making him mad then unleash Hulk on the other team.
3. Drafting Black Canary for 2 points, 36 hours of Prep (5 Points), and 18 construction works to build a giant 1000 foot tall megaphone on half the side of the battlefield. Which you then use black Canary to scream in the megaphone at the other team.
-Evangel94
