Originally posted by leonidasand mm -- you say stalemate,
but wouldn't the beyonder's realm have been part of 'everything' (as you say) that thanos absorbed into himself when he wiped everything out?
The original Beyonder realm hasn't existed since Nov. 1986,
when the New Universe became the second creation outside the Marvel Multiverse.
Thanos absorbed all of Space-Time in 2003.
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Second:
Even if, the Beyonder realm would've been in it's original state,
it was still located in a whole other Reality,
disconnected from what was the Omniverse then (as in the infinite Multiverse)
According to Shooter's official Marvel Age interview, (first page of this thread)
and on panel:
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Third:
Because of said reasons, we'll never know what would've happened.
But imo, (although the evidence points to Beyonder having the edge)
Beyonder stalemates THOTI. 🙂
Originally posted by AstnerThe only thing that's bothering me is,
you said that the avatars of the writers
were a step above Thanos with the Heart in your hierarchy.
Yet you're claming that Beyonder was in a sense was the avatar of the writer.
So is he beneath the Jack Kirby avatar or ... ? And if so why?
Obviously the "god" avatar (Artist) in FF#511 was beyond the Marvel reality drawing everything that takes place on panel, he had a "collaborator" (the Writer)
together they comprise what we know to be the Toaa/god (a distinct representitive of the Writers and Artists of Marvel) So he/she/they were definitely above Thanos/THOTI.
THOTI was depicted as their power withIN the Marvel Omniversal reality,
not in the sense of Real World artists/writers,
which would be senseless withIN a comic,
but in the sense of making themselves fictional characters withIN a story.
Now, of course the Kirbiesk avatar is fictional as well,
but the Kirbiesk avatar had a sense of realism to it,
which imo, separates it from the Marvel Omniversal reality that every other cat appears in.
The Kirbiesk avatar admitted,
that it did not know what will happen next until he drew the ideas given to him by the writer,
signifying Humanity:
Here's the scene,
where "god" and his "collaborator" are envisioning their next comic book arcs:
This is obviously a fictional representation of Real Human beings.
So in that sense,
that's how there's difference,
between the power of Toaa/god withIN the Marvel Omniversal Reality,
and the actual avatar directly representing "Real Humans."
The only difference with the Beyonder,'is that his creator was nt only a Writer,
but he was also Marvel's Editor-in chief.
But again,
since I rather keep in with the fictional Marvel Omniversal Reality,
this battle is a stalemate.
Supreme power (THOTI) vs Supreme power (Beyonder)
Originally posted by GN.
Mr Master, do u have the whole Marvel Age interview? It seems cut off.
Oh, I also made a mistake,
evidently, the Paramecium swimming in the Drop of Water is the Earth,
the Droplet of Water is the Marvel Reality (infinite Multiverse)
Which gives the opening line,
on the top of every Secret Wars II first page sense:
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As we know, "Our Universe" = the infinite Multiverse:
Beyonder exploring said "Our Universe:
"Odd thing He had noticed about Our Universe"
"Namely,
that it is Many-Layered-composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions,
indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE"
Beyonder passes by the Microverse.
(located in a Universe outside and separate from the 616 Reality)
Beyonder even reaches the Cross Roads of Infinity located in the Negative Zone
(also located Way outside the 616 universe)
The Makers re-created the entire Universe that contains the Microverse,
in fact, they created the Microverse from scratch.
The Negative Zone .. well,
we ALL know it's located outside 616 from the Annihilation Arc.
Don't let the haters fool yall. 🙂
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Btw. In Marvel, Dimensions are whole Universes:
Pocket dimensions are not.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Because of said reasons, we'll never know what would've happened.But imo, (although the evidence points to Beyonder having the edge)
Beyonder stalemates THOTI. 🙂
cop out. 😂
if it matters, i agree, btw -- i've always said beyonder was the greatest power ever on panel in comics. he would have taken thanos. 😉
Originally posted by Galan007I guess I just don't see what feats Beyonder has that give him the edge over Thanos.
The biggest/top feats performed by THOTI and Beyonder:
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THOTI:
1. Absorbed the Cosmic hierarchy (including LT) & every character in Space-Time.
2. Erased all of Space-Time in Marvel.
3. Re-created all of Space-Time in Marvel, including every being he absorbed.
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Beyonder:
1. Had the Cosmic hierachy (including LT) so afraid,
they didn't even dare attack him.
LT & the hierarchy were literally "desperate"
and at one point they even "trembled."
(while Beyonder limited himself no less) 😂
2. Defeated the most powerful being in Marvel (Molecule Man) who was above LT.
LT > entire current Marvel Reality.
3. Created a Multiverse from scratch that was atleast Quintillions of times more infinite,
than the infinite Marvel Reality.
(based on Shooter's analogy) -
which was ...
"Beyond Realm is an Ocean ...
while "Our Universe" (Marvel Reality) is a drop of Water"
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srugdoped
Originally posted by leonidasif it matters, i agree
Originally posted by leonidasbtw -- i've always said beyonder was the greatest power ever on panel in comics.
he would have taken thanos.
Originally posted by Mr MasterYeah,
The biggest/top feats performed by THOTI and Beyonder:..............................................................................
THOTI:
1. Absorbed the Cosmic hierarchy (including LT) & every character in Space-Time.
2. Erased all of Space-Time in Marvel.
3. Re-created all of Space-Time in Marvel, including every being he absorbed.
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Beyonder:
1. Had the Cosmic hierachy (including LT) so afraid,
they didn't even dare attack him.
LT & the hierarchy were literally "desperate"
and at one point they even "trembled."
(while Beyonder limited himself no less) 😂2. Defeated the most powerful being in Marvel (Molecule Man) who was above LT.
LT > entire current Marvel Reality.
3. Created a Multiverse from scratch that was atleast Quintillions of times more infinite,
than the infinite Marvel Reality.
(based on Shooter's analogy) -
which was ...
"Beyond Realm is an Ocean ...
while "Our Universe" (Marvel Reality) is a drop of Water"..............................................................................
srugdoped
Originally posted by Mr MasterThanos destroyed/recreated more than Beyonder.
Yeah, well then,
Beyonder for the win. 😎See, that's easy.
Thanos actually beat the hierarchy -- he didn't just 'scare' them.
Again,
Thanos has the better feats -- Beyonder has the better statements.
Feats hold up far more than statements.
Originally posted by Galan007
Thanos destroyed/recreated more than Beyonder.Thanos actually beat the hierarchy -- he didn't just 'scare' them.
Again,
Thanos has the better feats -- Beyonder has the better statements.Feats hold up far more than statements.
And Beyonder created more than Thanos.
So featwise, they are relatively similar.
Originally posted by Air LegendDifferent parts of that are debatable -- but that's not an argument I'm about to get in. 🙂
I guess you missed the part where he said Beyonder beat Molecule Man who was greater than the rest of the heirarchy combined.
Originally posted by Air LegendNah.
And Beyonder created more than Thanos.
Beyonder's creation was quintillions of times greater than one infinite Multiverse, as Mr M puts it...
If Thanos wiped out all of Marvel, he wiped out an infinite amount of infinite Multiverses.
Infinite > quintillions.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The biggest/top feats performed by THOTI and Beyonder:..............................................................................
THOTI:
1. Absorbed the Cosmic hierarchy (including LT) & every character in Space-Time.
2. Erased all of Space-Time in Marvel.
3. Re-created all of Space-Time in Marvel, including every being he absorbed.
..............................................................................
Beyonder:
1. Had the Cosmic hierachy (including LT) so afraid,
they didn't even dare attack him.
LT & the hierarchy were literally "desperate"
and at one point they even "trembled."
(while Beyonder limited himself no less) 😂2. Defeated the most powerful being in Marvel (Molecule Man) who was above LT.
LT > entire current Marvel Reality.
3. Created a Multiverse from scratch that was atleast Quintillions of times more infinite,
than the infinite Marvel Reality.
(based on Shooter's analogy) -
which was ...
"Beyond Realm is an Ocean ...
while "Our Universe" (Marvel Reality) is a drop of Water"..............................................................................
srugdoped
So, yeah, THOTI wins.
