Luke Cage with a twist vs Abomination

Originally posted by tkitna

The arguement here is that Ironclad has fought the Hulk. How well has it turned out for Ironclad? Even with the help of the other three U-Foes? Ironclod is a punk

Hes a punk that can fight Hulk...get it? Is Doc Samson a punk as well.

Originally posted by tkitna

(although he should be able to beat Cage everytime also).

I see so you're just going to keep saying its PIS when events dont happen in comics that you agree with?

Originally posted by tkitna

Cage isnt beating the Thing either.

Brilliant cant argue with that. Clear concise logical argument. "He inst beating the Thing either", ok **** it everybody post of year, lets close this thread and done.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Why are you assuming that the sound from behind the shockwave is going to be enough to hurt Luke?

We know that behind the shockwave the power is considerably less, so how powerful is it?

Also I stated the physical destruction is a representation of the power of the sound. If it not even doing any physical damage how the hell is it going to hurt somebody who can take class 80 shots?

Luke has no extra resistance in his inner ear, the attack goes to a place very close to the brain, which I'm sure has nothing of the skin coating that protects Cage.

The sound behind the wave is as strong as in front of the wave, the wave you are referring is air, there is a body blocking its advance in one direction, but sound travels better through solids, there is no reason for it to be any less powerful in the back than in the front.

Originally posted by Bentley
Luke has no extra resistance in his inner ear, the attack goes to a place very close to the brain, which I'm sure has nothing of the skin coating that protects Cage.

He has superhuman durability, his inner ear is less durable but obvoulsy alot more durable than a humans.

Originally posted by Bentley

The sound behind the wave is as strong as in front of the wave, the wave you are referring is air, there is a body blocking its advance in one direction, but sound travels better through solids, there is no reason for it to be any less powerful in the back than in the front.

I think im going to have to agree to disagree if I cn find scans with people being fine behind the wave that could prove im correct

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Hes a punk that can fight Hulk...get it? Is Doc Samson a punk as well.

Yeah he can fight the Hulk, but what good does it do him? He's going to lose everytime. Hell, if the Hulk were real, I could fight him too. The results would be the same. Get it? (probably not)

I like Doc Samson so i'd rather not bad mouth him, but aside from the cheap shot he knocked out a completey at ease Hulk with, what chance does he have either? Even Samson realizes that a physical confrontation with the Hulk is futile. Why cant you?

I see so you're just going to keep saying its PIS when events dont happen in comics that you agree with?

Yeah, i'll call crap writing when I see it. Cage winning against Ironclad, Thing, Hulk, Samson, or Wonderman is crap writing. I'm sorry to have to be the one to explain it to you, but Cage is a decent brick in the Marvel Universe, but he is way outclassed by any of those other characters. Even with Cage being thrown in the spotlight due to an Avengers membership, it should never change that fact.

Brilliant cant argue with that. Clear concise logical argument. "He inst beating the Thing either", ok **** it everybody post of year, lets close this thread and done.

Closing this thread is the only intelligent thing you've said so far.

Lets see,,,,,Cage, a 35 ton brick (thats being kind to him) versus the Thing, an 85 ton brick thats been shown time and time again as being one of the best fighters in the Marvel Universe when it comes to being a brick (fighting characters out of his league and hanging). Who wins? If you dont have the common sense to see the logic, well,,,,,,,,

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He has superhuman durability, his inner ear is less durable but obvoulsy alot more durable than a humans.

I think im going to have to agree to disagree if I cn find scans with people being fine behind the wave that could prove im correct

Wait, you're making a case that Cage can win this? He has no hope at all of winning this.

Aside from being basically the Hulk but to a lesser degree, Emil is a trained killer.

Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah he can fight the Hulk, but what good does it do him? He's going to lose everytime. Hell, if the Hulk were real, I could fight him too. The results would be the same. Get it? (probably not)

Ok let me see if I can understand this. You would get killed in 1 second fighting the Hulk but you want to compare yourself to seomebody who can give The Hulk a good tussle? Post of the year.

Originally posted by tkitna

I like Doc Samson so i'd rather not bad mouth him, but aside from the cheap shot he knocked out a completey at ease Hulk with, what chance does he have either? Even Samson realizes that a physical confrontation with the Hulk is futile. Why cant you?

Ok let me explain....he KOed Doc with ONE PUNCH. Which means with 1 years MA intensive training he will be able to KO much stronger opponents by striking at the weak points of Emil....get it?

Originally posted by tkitna

Yeah, i'll call crap writing when I see it. Cage winning against Ironclad, Thing, Hulk, Samson, or Wonderman is crap writing. I'm sorry to have to be the one to explain it to you, but Cage is a decent brick in the Marvel Universe, but he is way outclassed by any of those other characters. Even with Cage being thrown in the spotlight due to an Avengers membership, it should never change that fact.

No you cant debate. You dont debate but just saying something is rubbish, if that were the case every single person in the world would be a genuis.

1. I never said he beat WM, I said he hurt him. I explained Wms testicles are obvoulsy less durable than the rest of him......its a really simple concept.
2. Its not crap writing for Luke to beat Doc and Ironclad because
a) Hes class 25 but his punches are alot harder than people of the same strength class
b) Hes an expert street fighter and eventhough he doesnt know pressure points his punches can be more effective because he knows how to hit harder.
3. He has a record of having good showings against people stronger than him so you cant keep calling it PIs. Prior to his upgarde he has good showings against:
a)Iron Man
b) Piledriver
c)Rhino
d)Black Goliath

Originally posted by tkitna

Closing this thread is the only intelligent thing you've said so far.

Lets see,,,,,Cage, a 35 ton brick (thats being kind to him) versus the Thing, an 85 ton brick thats been shown time and time again as being one of the best fighters in the Marvel Universe when it comes to being a brick (fighting characters out of his league and hanging). Who wins? If you dont have the common sense to see the logic, well,,,,,,,,

Right so he can KO Doc with one punch but cant get 1 or 2 wins on Thing? He Koed Ironclad with one punch but cant get 1 or 2 wins with Thing. He was going toe-to-toe with Orca who is class 80 and his punched didnt really hurt but he cant 1 or 2 on Thing?

Oh when Luke fought Spiderman and put up a good fight was that PIS as well?
Oh I know him dodging Hulks punches was PIS as well?
You know what im gonna do im just going to scream PIS anytime somebody gives me feats I dont like...your the best. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Wait, you're making a case that Cage can win this? He has no hope at all of winning this

Ive already given reasons, read and comprehend.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

Aside from being basically the Hulk but to a lesser degree,

Thats right and hes KOed poeple that have fought the Hulk....with ONE PUNCH.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

Emil is a trained killer.

hes never used his training in any fights.

Ironclad who almost always gives the hulk at least a 10 minute warm up gets one shotted by cage and you don't think that is PIS on th part of Ironclad. As a comparison both Cage and ironclad fought mindless hulk. Iron clad fought him for several panels implying who knows how many minutes of action. Cage was ***** slapped half way across the city in one shot

Listen Emil is a class 100 easily that has fought Hulk and done pretty well on most occasions. Emil has plenty of low showings because he is a villain, but until gets pretty angry Hulk has no chance against him. Abomination nearly killed bannerHulk before something pissed him off. He is pretty damn durable is hide is at least as tough as the Hulks (in fact if you read the handbook - which you really shouldn't put too much store by, his durability is greater than the hulks).

Without some unbeleivably crap writing Cage has no chance against Abomination even with Cap america training.

Cage does good against heavier opponents because he doesn't pull his punches against them, he ain't going to kill them so he can go all out. And Wolverine was knocked out by a deer, everyone has low showings.

Answer me this: Is being one-shotted by Cage a low showing for Samson yes or no?

The Abomination can also strike the ground and tussle Cage into the air where he cannot defend himself against a thunderclap or whatsoever. Abom has so many options that its not even funny.

Originally posted by severance
Ironclad who almost always gives the hulk at least a 10 minute warm up gets one shotted by cage and you don't think that is PIS on th part of Ironclad.

No because at class 3, hes been able to hurt WM and beat Piledriver whos punches hurt Thor and go toe-to-toe with Iron Man

Originally posted by severance

As a comparison both Cage and ironclad fought mindless hulk. Iron clad fought him for several panels implying who knows how many minutes of action. Cage was ***** slapped half way across the city in one shot

Bro Cage was class 3 then, Cage Koed him when he was class 25. 😬

Originally posted by severance

Listen Emil is a class 100 easily that has fought Hulk and done pretty well on most occasions. Emil has plenty of low showings because he is a villain, but until gets pretty angry Hulk has no chance against him. Abomination nearly killed bannerHulk before something pissed him off. He is pretty damn durable is hide is at least as tough as the Hulks (in fact if you read the handbook - which you really shouldn't put too much store by, his durability is greater than the hulks).

Well you cant prove hes more durable than the Hulk. Well Cap stunned Prof Hulk for 1 second, what do you think a class 35 martail expert is going to be capable, for startes Abom probably wont even be able to get a good hit on him.

Originally posted by severance

Without some unbeleivably crap writing Cage has no chance against Abomination even with Cap america training.

As I stated, Luke will probably be able to dodge most of those punches and if he hit vital areas he can KO Abom.😬 Hell he was class 3 and hurt class 95 WM....do the math.

Originally posted by Bentley
Cage does good against heavier opponents because he doesn't pull his punches against them, he ain't going to kill them so he can go all out.

Terrible logic, so the other peoples hes fighting are pulling their punches?

Originally posted by Bentley

And Wolverine was knocked out by a deer, everyone has low showings.

Luke = Deer. Terrible logic.

Originally posted by Bentley

Answer me this: Is being one-shotted by Cage a low showing for Samson yes or no?

It could be argued that its not because:

1. A weaker Luke hurt WM.
2. He one-shoted Ironclad
3. He weaker Luke beat Piledriver who is probably on par with Docs durability.
4. A weaker Luke traded blows with Iron Man.

Originally posted by Bentley

The Abomination can also strike the ground and tussle Cage into the air where he cannot defend himself against a thunderclap or whatsoever. Abom has so many options that its not even funny.

Actually if Abom did that Luke can fly kick him in the face. Anyway im giving it 7/10 to Abomination.

When he fought Wonderman there is no doubt he pulled his punches, Hulk the same.

You can argue that Luke can put a fight against Samson, but a one-shot? Are you really saying that you think that Luke Cage can one-shot Samson in an average showing?

Originally posted by Bentley
When he fought Wonderman there is no doubt he pulled his punches, Hulk the same.

Yes WM was, but the point isnt that Luke can beat WM the point he was able to make him double over in pain. You add 35 tons of strength and give him intensive martial art training, what do you think he will be capable of? But these people were not pulling their punches:

Piledriver
Iron Man
Ironclad
Black Goliath
etc

Originally posted by Bentley

You can argue that Luke can put a fight against Samson, but a one-shot? Are you really saying that you think that Luke Cage can one-shot Samson in an average showing?

Fair enough, thats reasonable. Yes it was a low showing.

P.S. Hulk wasnt pulling his punches he was mindless and it dont matter because he was class 3.

Pile driver is not same durability as Samson. Not close. Pile driver is a class 10 with bullet proof hide no more.

Cage as a class 3 was never properly established. He was said to be as strong as spidey (clas10) and original powerman (now Atlas) also class 10. At this so called class 3 he has off panel stopped a train (well above class 3). So has he had a stated upgrade or have his showings simply gone up over time because of inconsistent writing. Cage writing has always been incosistent but trend these days is to make him tougher and stronger.

Abominations endurance is at least as much as hulks (his healing factor is well down on Hulks) Also who says he has weak points (for instance he has no visible testes). Has anyone other than class 100 characters or near 100 ever beaten abomination? I don't think cage has the power to hurt Abomination no matter how often he hits.

Remember as stated eslewhere with power like emils he does not need to strike directly.

Also remember having training forom cap is not the same as fighting as well as cap. Hawkeye does not fight as well as cap. Cap is the world's best martial artist because he is the super soldier as well as all the training and years of experience.

Originally posted by severance
Pile driver is not same durability as Samson. Not close. Pile driver is a class 10 with bullet proof hide no more.

I think you're wrong there because all the WC have the same durability and they can take shots from Thor.

Originally posted by severance

Cage as a class 3 was never properly established. He was said to be as strong as spidey (clas10) and original powerman (now Atlas) also class 10. At this so called class 3 he has off panel stopped a train (well above class 3). So has he had a stated upgrade or have his showings simply gone up over time because of inconsistent writing. Cage writing has always been incosistent but trend these days is to make him tougher and stronger.

Well bios say different things about strength levels, but even at Spiderman level strength he is still alot weaker than

1. Wonder Man
2. Iron man.
3. Rhino.
etc

Originally posted by severance

Abominations endurance is at least as much as hulks (his healing factor is well down on Hulks) Also who says he has weak points (for instance he has no visible testes). Has anyone other than class 100 characters or near 100 ever beaten abomination? I don't think cage has the power to hurt Abomination no matter how often he hits.

Well he has ears, eyes, nose and a mouth why wouldnt he have testes, and besides there other weak points.

Originally posted by severance

Remember as stated eslewhere with power like emils he does not need to strike directly.

Yes but since he doesnt always thunderclap we cant assume he will. CIS is allowed.

Originally posted by severance

Also remember having training forom cap is not the same as fighting as well as cap. Hawkeye does not fight as well as cap. Cap is the world's best martial artist because he is the super soldier as well as all the training and years of experience.

Yes I know, your not getting the point. Black Tarantular is a MA expert who has class 25 strength, hes not as good as Cap in MA but I can bet his punches are going to be alot more effective than Caps.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok let me see if I can understand this. You would get killed in 1 second fighting the Hulk but you want to compare yourself to seomebody who can give The Hulk a good tussle? Post of the year.

He wasn't comparing himself to anyone, so he was right.....you didn't get it.

Abomination stomps Cage. End of story.

Originally posted by The Pict
He wasn't comparing himself to anyone, so he was right.....you didn't get it.

Abomination stomps Cage. End of story.

There is nothing to get, the point was rubbish. Even if hes not comparing himself he is simply not getting what im saying.

Originally posted by The Pict
Abomination stomps Cage. End of story.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
There is nothing to get, the point was rubbish. Read the information I posted, assimilate it then come back.

I understood what he meant, you just don't want to.

You're the only one posting "information" in Cage's favour. Everyone else knows he gets beaten. I can only assume that you keep arguing because you like Luke Cage, but there is no conceivable way he can beat Abomination.

Originally posted by The Pict
I understood what he meant, you just don't want to.

You're the only one posting "information" in Cage's favour. Everyone else knows he gets beaten. I can only assume that you keep arguing because you like Luke Cage, but there is no conceivable way he can beat Abomination.

Ok then counter the points then. Put your money where your mouth is. What part of hurting class 95 Wonder man dont you understand, whoich was prior to his upgrade?

What part of trading blows with Iron Man and Luke being considerably weaker dont you understand?

What part of beating a guy that can hurt Thor with punches and take shots dont you understand, and this was also prior to his upgrade.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Why would it when a major part of martial arts training involevs increasing your strength, durability and stamina?

Ok but even at his current level he has been able to take down Doc Samson and Ironclad. 😐

doc samson is stated as a class 25 aswell as luke 😐

however if cap took down hulk with a gut punch with less than 1 ton strength(which is some of the shitest writing ever) then cage can definately take abomination with his class 25 strength