Luke Cage with a twist vs Abomination

Originally posted by Bentley
Luke Cage is not getting that much better in one year, its impossible for him to win this, let it go.

1. Dont tell me what to do.
2. Hes already an expert street fighter even prior to his upgrade he was able to hurt Wonder Man using dirty tactics, whats an upgraded Luke gonna do after a year with Cap, he will be third tier. He will know weak points to strike and at his strength level will be able to KO him
3. I dont know how much better hes going to be exactly but hes going to be alot better after a year.

Originally posted by Bentley

Also, Abomination can thunderclap one hundred times in a row for example and Cage won't be getting closer.

Luke and Iron Fist fought Hulk once they were dodging him all day. Luke isnt going to stand there and be thunderclapped especially when he knows that Abom might do that.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. Dont tell me what to do.
2. Hes already an expert street fighter even prior to his upgrade he was able to hurt Wonder Man using dirty tactics, whats an upgraded Luke gonna do after a year with Cap, he will be third tier. He will know weak points to strike and at his strength level will be able to KO him
3. I dont know how much better hes going to be exactly but hes going to be alot better after a year.

Luke and Iron Fist fought Hulk once they were dodging him all day. Luke isnt going to stand there and be thunderclapped especially when he knows that Abom might do that.

1.- Sorry, you're right, I was out of place. I suggest you to let it go.

2.- He did not hurt Wonderman, he managed to "stay consious" in his own words.

3.- Show me any proof of Cage being an adept student or having discipline to learn MA.

4.- IF and Cage dodged a Hulk that was fighting like an idiot and did not thunderclap. Thunderclaps are sound waves that go in every direction, Luke ain't dodging that -in close range anyways.

Originally posted by Bentley

2.- He did not hurt Wonderman, he managed to "stay consious" in his own words.

Your not trying are you? You dont have to be KOed to be hurt for god sake. The point is Wonder Man is class 95 and Luke had 3 ton strength. Understand what im saying?

Originally posted by Bentley

3.- Show me any proof of Cage being an adept student or having discipline to learn MA.

Please for the love of god make an effort. He is already an expert at streetfighting with years of experience and before you tell me thats different to ma, of course it is but obvoulsy thats going to help alot and hes being taught by one of the best teachers for a year, of course hes going to be much better. Not as good as Cap but he will at least be third tier.

Originally posted by Bentley

4.- IF and Cage dodged a Hulk that was fighting like an idiot and did not thunderclap. Thunderclaps are sound waves that go in every direction, Luke ain't dodging that -in close range anyways.

Right so what you're telling me is that BECAUSE they were able to dodge him he was fighting like an idiot? Right ok so if Luke has any good showings against other people are you going to keep coming up with a "he was fighting like an idiot"? Hell Luke has good showings against Spiderman, was Spiderman fighting like an idiot as well? 👆

You cannot even assume that Abom is going to use the thudnerclap for starters both Hulk and Abom dont always even use it. It could be argued that Luke can dodge it since he knows its an attack that Abom will use and he doent go to far away. When I mean dodge I mean get behind him.

P.S. Sorry if im a bit rude but your winding me up. I'll try to be a bit more polite in my next post.

First of all, no problem for the possible rudeness, I sometimes go a little far myself.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Your not trying are you? You dont have to be KOed to be hurt for god sake. The point is Wonder Man is class 95 and Luke had 3 ton strength. Understand what im saying?

I'm not saying he needs to be KOed, I'm saying Wonderman suffered no damage at all, he is made of ions, he was being pushed around but thats because he doesn't weight a ton. Can you really say he was damaged in the battle? That if Luke kept going and WM failed to score a KO he would have fallen? I think thats open to interpretation

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Please for the love of god make an effort. He is already an expert at streetfighting with years of experience and before you tell me thats different to ma, of course it is but obvoulsy thats going to help alot and hes being taught by one of the best teachers for a year, of course hes going to be much better. Not as good as Cap but he will at least be third tier.

He may be better, I argue that he won't improve enough. Simply put, Cage is already partner with one of the best martial artists in the MU, and I don't see that he picked many moves. If you think that he can, but show no proof, thats your interpretation of the character, for me one year is just a stretch.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Right so what you're telling me is that BECAUSE they were able to dodge him he was fighting like an idiot? Right ok so if Luke has any good showings against other people are you going to keep coming up with a "he was fighting like an idiot"? Hell Luke has good showings against Spiderman, was Spiderman fighting like an idiot as well? 👆

You cannot even assume that Abom is going to use the thudnerclap for starters both Hulk and Abom dont always even use it. It could be argued that Luke can dodge it since he knows its an attack that Abom will use and he doent go to far away. When I mean dodge I mean get behind him.

P.S. Sorry if im a bit rude but your winding me up. I'll try to be a bit more polite in my next post.

No, he was fighting like an idiot because he was freaking Savage Hulk, he DOES fight like an idiot. The important thing here is that he did not use a thunderclap, which is important in this battle.

In this forum we fight without CIS -character induced stupidity-, which means Abomination will fight his best to win the battle. The thunderclap is in his powerset and its a great weapon against Cage, he simply can't win against it, it goes to every direction if Cage is near, and Cage needs to be near to win, Abom can jump long distances and just keep away from Cage wearing him down and then score him with an aerial thunderclap or whatever -how is he going to get behind him in the air?.

Cage hurting Wonderman is PIS if anything. Besides that, the current WM is a Skrull anyways. I've never seen a character get punked so bad ever.

Regardless, this is supid. Your the only person here thats taking Cage in this match. Just go to sleep already, and feel content that your right and everybody else is wrong.

(although deep down, you know you have failed, but you just cant let it go)

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Do you understand the irrelevance of giving an example of Cage losing to Thing prior to his uprgrade, when during his upgrade his fought people who have a similar strength level to Thing.

Again examples:

1. ONE SHOTED, Ironclad who has [B]fought Savage Hulk on numerous ocassions
2. Took a shot from Orca who is class 80 and it didnt even particulary bother him.
3. Why are we also assuming that Doc is a wimp now when hes sent an amped Professor Hulk flying with one punch.
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4. Hell current Luke could probably get some wins over Thing. Look how much damage he can take, and this didnt even hurt him.

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I think you are stepping over the line when you say that the current cage can beat Thing. Please retract that or prepare to lose credibility.
Also sending someone flying who weighs less than a ton isn't really a strength feat. Hulk's feet are not glued to the ground. Thus it is not a shock for anyone who can lift over 5 tons to send him flying.

The only way for Cage to win is through pressure points. This is because, without the use of pressure points, 35tons is not going to hurt Abom much. This is what you should be arguing only.
Note: Abom>>>Iron Clad or Doc Samson

Thunderclaps effect the ear drums so someone taking one is different than them taking a punch. Abom can keep thunderclapping till the cows come home. It is up to Cage to not just be effected by them but
he must try to penetrate to Abom in their wakes (because the thunderclaps are pushing him back).

Note: You must question whether certain feats are PIS before you post them. Just because it happened in comics doesn't mean it is valid on this forum.

Luke Cage simply can't hit A-bomb hard enough even with tons of expert H2H training. A-bomb has routinely takin' blows from Hulk. Cage's striking power simply cannot match this.

The only way Cage wins is if he has the same gun Red Hulk used to kill Emil.

Originally posted by Bentley

I'm not saying he needs to be KOed, I'm saying Wonderman suffered no damage at all, he is made of ions, he was being pushed around but thats because he doesn't weight a ton. Can you really say he was damaged in the battle? That if Luke kept going and WM failed to score a KO he would have fallen? I think thats open to interpretation

Bro WM was doubled over! 3 tons 95 tons you get my point?

Originally posted by Bentley

He may be better, I argue that he won't improve enough. Simply put, Cage is already partner with one of the best martial artists in the MU, and I don't see that he picked many moves. If you think that he can, but show no proof, thats your interpretation of the character, for me one year is just a stretch.

There is a differnce between learning from somebody and being somebodies partner. IF hasnt actively sat down and taught him anything. How many people are teamates with Cap and havent learnt anything, are they stupid to? People watch footbal games all their life and are still crap at football, watching and doing are two different things.

He already is a self taught street fighter and hes going to eat sleep and drink H2H combat with Cap. What do you mean he may be better? You know hes been leader of the New Avengers, why did you think that happened because he was stupid?

Originally posted by Bentley

No, he was fighting like an idiot because he was freaking Savage Hulk, he DOES fight like an idiot. The important thing here is that he did not use a thunderclap, which is important in this battle.

What part of Savage Hulk has fought Abom many times arent you getting?

Originally posted by Bentley

In this forum we fight without CIS -character induced stupidity-, which means Abomination will fight his best to win the battle. The thunderclap is in his powerset and its a great weapon against Cage, he simply can't win against it, it goes to every direction if Cage is near, and Cage needs to be near to win, Abom can jump long distances and just keep away from Cage wearing him down and then score him with an aerial thunderclap or whatever -how is he going to get behind him in the air?.

Wrong CIS is not exempt from debates. Dont believe me check the rules.

Originally posted by tkitna
Cage hurting Wonderman is PIS if anything. Besides that, the current WM is a Skrull anyways. I've never seen a character get punked so bad ever.

Regardless, this is supid. Your the only person here thats taking Cage in this match. Just go to sleep already, and feel content that your right and everybody else is wrong.

(although deep down, you know you have failed, but you just cant let it go)

Well for starters im not talking about current WM am I. So you dont know what your talking about. If you think WM getting hurt in the testicles by someone with low superhuman strength is PIS, then fine. 👆

Originally posted by h1a8
I think you are stepping over the line when you say that the current cage can beat Thing. Please retract that or prepare to lose credibility.

Im not retracting anything. I said I think he can get SOME WINS. Again if Luke Cage can ONE SHOT Ironclad a guy who has fought the Hulk many times before he can get SOME WINS over Thing. Thats stepping over the line??

Originally posted by h1a8

Also sending someone flying who weighs less than a ton isn't really a strength feat. Hulk's feet are not glued to the ground. Thus it is not a shock for anyone who can lift over 5 tons to send him flying.

He may weigh less than a ton but he still has superhuman strength thats why he doesnt always go flying. Furthermore thats Professor Hulk who is stronger than Savage Hulk and that Hulk was amped by implants.

Originally posted by h1a8

The only way for Cage to win is through pressure points. This is because, without the use of pressure points, 35tons is not going to hurt Abom much. This is what you should be arguing only.

Dont tell me what I should be arguing. You tried to tell me what to do in the Hollywood (with power gem) vs SMP thread and you ended up not knowing what you were talking about. All my points are legit.

Originally posted by h1a8

Note: Abom>>>Iron Clad or Doc Samson

Ok let me break this down for you. Both Doc and Ironclad have fought the Hulk who is actually stronger than Abom. He one shoted them. One shot one punch, It can damn well be argued that with intense ma training he can take down Abom....get it????

Originally posted by h1a8

Thunderclaps effect the ear drums so someone taking one is different than them taking a punch. Abom can keep thunderclapping till the cows come home. It is up to Cage to not just be effected by them but
he must try to penetrate to Abom in their wakes (because the thunderclaps are pushing him back).

Yes I know but thunderclaps are not going to hurt if you're standing behind them.

Originally posted by h1a8

Note: You must question whether certain feats are PIS before you post them. Just because it happened in comics doesn't mean it is valid on this forum.

No but it sux when everytime I come up with a legit feat people scream PIS. Furthermore you are in no position to give me advice when in the Superman vs SS thread you kept denying feats.

Look, if your hope for Luke Cage winning is clinging into CIS, fine. But with the Abomination powerset beating your Cage is routine.

Also, Thunderclaps are sound and they hit even if you are behind then. Sounds travels faster by solids -the abomination body- than through the air, going behind the Abom when thunderclapping is suicidal.

Originally posted by Bentley
Look, if your hope for Luke Cage winning is clinging into CIS, fine. But with the Abomination powerset beating your Cage is routine.

Well CIS is allowed. *shrug*

Originally posted by Bentley

Also, Thunderclaps are sound and they hit even if you are behind then. Sounds travels faster by solids -the abomination body- than through the air, going behind the Abom when thunderclapping is suicidal.

Bro when Hulk does a tunderclap it doesnt do any damage to the obkects behind it,a nd even if it did it probably wouldnt hurt Luke.

Yeah because you are thinking about the shockwave which is made of air pressure, I'm talking about the sound which is the thing that will mess up Cage in this match.

Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah because you are thinking about the shockwave which is made of air pressure, I'm talking about the sound which is the thing that will mess up Cage in this match.

Bro the sound is partially what makes the air pressure. Of course you can hear the shockwave but if your standing behind it, its going to do considerably less damage, if the shockwave cant even destory buildings behind it, whats it gonna do to Luke?

They shockwave cannot destroy buildings thats precisely why the sound is going to be the big factor, not the air pull. The sound will travel with the air thats pushed by the sound wave because its easier to travel there, but in the area that is not moved by the shockwave it just moves as easy.

Luke is going to get his ears damaged by the sound, which is the bigger damage factor in the thunderclap -air-pressure amounts to that of an explosion, way weaker than Abom's regular punchs-, the sound does not rise enough to destroy a building, but it messes with the internal hearing, causing pain, lose of balance and of course, the old unconsiousness. Lack of physical destruction is not equal to harmless soundwave.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Im not retracting anything. I said I think he can get SOME WINS. Again if Luke Cage can ONE SHOT Ironclad a guy who has fought the Hulk many times before he can get SOME WINS over Thing. Thats stepping over the line??

Wrong! You shouldn't think that he can get any wins against Thing. I don't care what he did to Ironclad. Thing is not Ironclad.

And one shotting someone who has fought Hulk doesn't show that he can get some wins against Thing. ABC logic is faulty. Captain America has fought Hulk several times too. Doesn't mean that if Cage one-shot him that he can beat Thing. Spider-man has fought Hulk also (but I seriously don't think Cage can one-shotted him even with a good hit).

He may weigh less than a ton but he still has superhuman strength thats why he doesnt always go flying. Furthermore thats Professor Hulk who is stronger than Savage Hulk and that Hulk was amped by implants.

Dont tell me what I should be arguing. You tried to tell me what to do in the Hollywood (with power gem) vs SMP thread and you ended up not knowing what you were talking about. All my points are legit.

Ok let me break this down for you. Both Doc and Ironclad have fought the Hulk who is actually stronger than Abom. He one shoted them. One shot [B]one punch, It can damn well be argued that with intense ma training he can take down Abom....get it????[/B]

How is Doc or Ironclad stronger than Abom? Where are you getting your facts from? If you meant that both Doc and Ironclad combined are stronger than Abom then I still fail to see how one-shotting either of them shows he can hurt Abom. For Cage didn't one-shotted their combined beings now did he.

Yes I know but thunderclaps are not going to hurt if you're standing behind them.

Why not? Don't sound waves move omnidirectional?

No but it sux when everytime I come up with a legit feat people scream PIS. Furthermore you are in no position to give me advice when in the Superman vs SS thread you kept denying feats.

Originally posted by h1a8
Wrong! You shouldn't think that he can get any wins against Thing. I don't care what he did to Ironclad. Thing is not Ironclad.

And one shotting someone who has fought Hulk doesn't show that he can get some wins against Thing. ABC logic is faulty. Captain America has fought Hulk several times too. Doesn't mean that if Cage one-shot him that he can beat Thing. Spider-man has fought Hulk also (but I seriously don't think Cage can one-shotted him even with a good hit).

So someone having superhuman strength actually prevents them from flying away by someone weaker who can lift more than your body weight? Come on now! You are really using faulty reasoning here. If I can lift 75 tons then I can easily hit a half ton object away, no matter how strong they are. This is because their strength doesn't effect their inertia (mass). So as long as their feet aren't glue to the ground then I can send them flying in the air with ease.

If you think that Cage with 35ton strength can ko Abom without hitting him in a vital area then you are a straight fool.

How is Doc or Ironclad stronger than Abom? Where are you getting your facts from? If you meant that both Doc and Ironclad combined [B]are stronger than Abom then I still fail to see how one-shotting either of them shows he can hurt Abom. For Cage didn't one-shotted their combined beings now did he.

Why not? Don't sound waves move omnidirectional?

PIS exists nonetheless. I denied your scan feats because they were invalid. Darthgoober actually showed me valid ones that made me sway some. [/B]

Unbelievable, i actually agree wit dis totally

Originally posted by h1a8
Wrong! You shouldn't think that he can get any wins against Thing. I don't care what he did to Ironclad. Thing is not Ironclad.

The whole point is that Ironcald has similar stats to Thing. 😐

Originally posted by h1a8

And one shotting someone who has fought Hulk doesn't show that he can get some wins against Thing. ABC logic is faulty. Captain America has fought Hulk several times too. Doesn't mean that if Cage one-shot him that he can beat Thing.

Bro your logic is terrible. Cap used skill and speed to fight Hulk. Ironclad used strength and durability to fight Hulk. You dont need superhuman strength to KO Cap but you do need superhuman strength to one shot Ironclad. See the difference? The point is being made that Abom is too strong for Cage, but if Cage can one-shot a person that is capable of gving him a good fight prior to his training that means he could possibly KO Abom with MA.

Originally posted by h1a8

Spider-man has fought Hulk also (but I seriously don't think Cage can one-shotted him even with a good hit).

Well actually hes one shoted Green Goblin who has similar durability and strength to Spiderman, so you're wrong there.

Originally posted by h1a8

So someone having superhuman strength actually prevents them from flying away by someone weaker who can lift more than your body weight? Come on now! You are really using faulty reasoning here. If I can lift 75 tons then I can easily hit a half ton object away, no matter how strong they are. This is because their strength doesn't effect their inertia (mass). So as long as their feet aren't glue to the ground then I can send them flying in the air with ease.

Right so please explain for us why all the 100s of times that Hulk has been hit by class 100s he hasnt gone flying.

Originally posted by h1a8

If you think that Cage with 35ton strength can ko Abom without hitting him in a vital area then you are a straight fool.

Ok show me where I said that. Havent I stated already that he needs to use ma to KO Abom? Do you see how you dont listen? Did you even see the post where I said I agreed with you?

Originally posted by h1a8

How is Doc or Ironclad stronger than Abom? Where are you getting your facts from? If you meant that both Doc and Ironclad combined [B]are stronger than Abom then I still fail to see how one-shotting either of them shows he can hurt Abom. For Cage didn't one-shotted their combined beings now did he.[/B]

I didnt say that Doc or Ironclad are stronger than Abom. The point is they are both strong enough to fight Abom. If Luke can take these guys out with one punch. THEN HE CAN USE MA TO KO ABOM

Originally posted by h1a8

Why not? Don't sound waves move omnidirectional?

Doesnt do destruction to objects behind it.

Originally posted by h1a8

PIS exists nonetheless. I denied your scan feats because they were invalid. Darthgoober actually showed me valid ones that made me sway some.

Anyway...luke being able to dodge Hulks punches is PIS? Luke being able to hurt WM by getting him in the testicles is PIS?

I addressed the lack of destruction. I already said that sound can travel beyond the air waves caused by the thunderclap, and that the most severe damage from a clap is the sound if it goes towards a person.

Do you know how much poor sound does it take to break stone? The only way that sound has to do that is either vibrate the stone fast enough or heat it until is destroyed, which is an incredible amount of energy. Asking that the sound is shown physical destruction is an ignorant thing to do.

Address this or lose the debate Phantom Zone.

Originally posted by Bentley
I addressed the lack of destruction. I already said that sound can travel beyond the air waves caused by the thunderclap, and that the most severe damage from a clap is the sound if it goes towards a person.

Do you know how much poor sound does it take to break stone? The only way that sound has to do that is either vibrate the stone fast enough or heat it until is destroyed, which is an incredible amount of energy. Asking that the sound is shown physical destruction is an ignorant thing to do.

Address this or lose the debate Phantom Zone.

Why are you assuming that the sound from behind the shockwave is going to be enough to hurt Luke?

We know that behind the shockwave the power is considerably less, so how powerful is it?

Also I stated the physical destruction is a reprensentation of the power of the sound. If it not even doing any physical damage how the hell is it going to hurt somebody who can take class 80 shots?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Luke Cage spends 1 year intensive training with Captain America then takes on Abomination, who wins?

That won't work. Cap himself could come too and they both get stomped.

This thread is still going on? Ironclod and Doc Samson are still being used as measuring sticks? Unbelievable.

The arguement here is that Ironclad has fought the Hulk. How well has it turned out for Ironclad? Even with the help of the other three U-Foes? Ironclod is a punk (although he should be able to beat Cage everytime also).

Cage isnt beating the Thing either.