Luke Cage with a twist vs Abomination

Started by Phantom Zone10 pages

Originally posted by SupremeMan
What's Cage's lift right now? Was a time he lifted about 3 tons and he looked in good shape. How do you figure doing the Captain America workout will have him lifting 25 or 35 tons? How is doing intense weight training going to multiply his strength by ten times? If I can lift 200 pounds, great. I can lift weights and do the Captain America workout til hell freezes over and I'm never gonna lift two thousand pounds.

Anyway, Abomination is 100 tons at least. Cage isn't even in his league and never will be without a major power boost and just doing more pushups and weight training alone cannot explain that. The Cap workout isn't going to make him enough stronger and the martial workout is fine except his opponent still would have twenty times his strength. Hell, even the Chuck Norris workout with Stephen Seagal's attitude wouldn't win this one.

You do know that Luke has had an upgrade and is currently class 25?

*bump*

Abom wins in a horribly and easily. Poor Cage, he hopes to be a skrull and have a better shot at this.

Originally posted by Bentley
Abom wins in a horribly and easily. Poor Cage, he hopes to be a skrull and have a better shot at this.

Hes going to beat him eventhough Luke has the tools to take him down?

Why? Does Cage has Hulk's power now?

Originally posted by Bentley
Why? Does Cage has Hulk's power now?

After 1 years training hes going to be stronger and more durable and alot faster. He will most likely be able to dodge Abom all day and then take him down with carefully concentrated strikes.

Currently Luke has:

One shoted Doc Samson who has taken on a mindless Hulk
One shoted Ironclad who has gone against Hulk before
Taken shots from Orca and took him down with some help from BK probably didnt need it.

The point is after 1 years intensive training he will be alot tougher and does not need brute strength to take him down but skill and speed.

Hawkeye has been trained by Cap for years and I have not seen enough improvement to assume Cage would be all that much stronger after one year with him.

Abomination ftw

Originally posted by Bentley
Hawkeye has been trained by Cap for years and I have not seen enough improvement to assume Cage would be all that much stronger after one year with him.

Ok so before that Hawkeye had class 25 strength and one shoted Doc Samson? 👆

Furthermore hes not just being trained by Cap. Luke is going to be a monk hes going to eat, sleep and drink ma for 1 yr straight. Thats not the level of intensity that Cap trained Hawkeye.

Hawkeye cannot take on Luke Cage hand to hand, and the difference between their strenghts is about 25 tons. Now, the Abomination doubles that difference.

You are assuming that Luke is good at learning martial arts, and that he will reach a level rivaling that of Cap in one year. Thats bull. Batman trained for several years with the best masters in the world and he only reached to the level he has. Don't give Cage credit he has not earned.

In MA, pressure points are everything. Mantis has hurt Thor with pressure points and she's over 100 times weaker (probably over 1000 times weaker). Wolverine has koed Thing with a pressure point kick to the face. I can go on. So this fight depends on how well Cage learns about pressure points from Cap (in combination to dodging and countering).
Sometimes people are idiots and you can't teach them anything (or it takes a very long time). And sometimes people are very competent learners and learn very fast. I don't know how smart Cage is or how fast he can learn but if he learns well enough from Cap in a year then he definitely has a chance to beat Abom (through pressure point only).
Now increasing his strength to 35tons isn't really needed since lesser strength beings have many times koed much stronger beings in comics. So I think 25tons of pressure point striking is enough to greatly effect Abom. Never underestimate the power of pressure points in comics.

P.S. Can cage withstand a thunderclap? If so then what about multiple thunderclaps? If not then he loses here unless he brings his ear thingies (I forgot what you call them, you know the things that go in your ear to reduce sound?)

Originally posted by Bentley
Hawkeye cannot take on Luke Cage hand to hand, and the difference between their strenghts is about 25 tons. Now, the Abomination doubles that difference.

Ok do you see where I said prior to his training he has one shoted Doc Samson who has fought Mindless Hulk who is more powerful than Abom.

Originally posted by Bentley

You are assuming that Luke is good at learning martial arts, and that he will reach a level rivaling that of Cap in one year.

Awww man this is gonna be tough.

1. No im not assuming he will be as good as Cap im assuming that he will be alot better than already is
2. Hes already an expert street fighter and intelligent thats not going to help him get alot better.
3. He doesnt need to be as good as Cap he class 25. What part of he oneshoted Doc Samson dont you get?

Originally posted by Bentley

Thats bull. Batman trained for several years with the best masters in the world and he only reached to the level he has. Don't give Cage credit he has not earned.

Well considering that im not assuming hes going to be as good as Batman or Cap, I dont know what n earth you are talking about.

Originally posted by h1a8
In MA, pressure points are everything. Mantis has hurt Thor with pressure points and she's over 100 times weaker (probably over 1000 times weaker). Wolverine has koed Thing with a pressure point kick to the face. I can go on. So this fight depends on how well Cage learns about pressure points from Cap (in combination to dodging and countering).
Sometimes people are idiots and you can't teach them anything (or it takes a very long time). And sometimes people are very competent learners and learn very fast. I don't know how smart Cage is or how fast he can learn but if he learns well enough from Cap in a year then he definitely has a chance to beat Abom (through pressure point only).
Now increasing his strength to 35tons isn't really needed since lesser strength beings have many times koed much stronger beings in comics. So I think 25tons of [B]pressure point striking
is enough to greatly effect Abom. Never underestimate the power of pressure points in comics.

P.S. Can cage withstand a thunderclap? If so then what about multiple thunderclaps? If not then he loses here unless he brings his ear thingies (I forgot what you call them, you know the things that go in your ear to reduce sound?) [/B]

Yes considering that hes taken shots from Ironclad and Orca and thats prior to his training, in fact he could probably take several.

How long was Doc Samson's hair at the time? That greatly changes that feat.

Originally posted by The Fake Macoy
How long was Doc Samson's hair at the time? That greatly changes that feat.

It was long. I think the hair thing was retconned.

Samson battled the Hulk pretty good in the earlier days and has been used as a baseball bat ever since. I have comics where Cage couldnt even hurt the Hulk and was pretty much embarrassed by even the Thing.

Give him 10 years of Martial Arts training and he still isnt taking down Abomination.

Abomination FTW

Originally posted by tkitna
Samson battled the Hulk pretty good in the earlier days and has been used as a baseball bat ever since. I have comics where Cage couldnt even hurt the Hulk and was pretty much embarrassed by even the Thing.

Give him 10 years of Martial Arts training and he still isnt taking down Abomination.

Right and this comic where he couldnt take the Thing was before his upgrade....have you even read any of the posts? 😬

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Right and this comic where he couldnt take the Thing was before his upgrade....have you even read any of the posts? 😬

Yeah, i've read them and no matter how many excuses you come up with or how hard you wish or hope,,,,,,Cage still loses.

Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah, i've read them and no matter how many excuses you come up with or how hard you wish or hope,,,,,,Cage still loses.

Do you understand the irrelevance of giving an example of Cage losing to Thing prior to his uprgrade, when during his upgrade his fought people who have a similar strength level to Thing.

Again examples:

1. ONE SHOTED, Ironclad who has fought Savage Hulk on numerous ocassions
2. Took a shot from Orca who is class 80 and it didnt even particulary bother him.
3. Why are we also assuming that Doc is a wimp now when hes sent an amped Professor Hulk flying with one punch.
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4. Hell current Luke could probably get some wins over Thing. Look how much damage he can take, and this didnt even hurt him.

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Luke Cage is not getting that much better in one year, its impossible for him to win this, let it go.

Also, Abomination can thunderclap one hundred times in a row for example and Cage won't be getting closer.