Originally posted by UltimaKuja
Seems we have a problem here, to many people are thinking "Kuja Vs Sephiroth" this is TRANCE Kuja Vs Sephiroth (AC to be precise).Im not flaming, just concerned to many people forget this fact.
I know who the two fighters are, but I didn't feel like saying their full names. tongue
One blink of the eye is all you fanboys say he needs to move so fast no one can even see him, time to make your minds up?
Please pay attention. Sephiroth wasn't trying, of course he isn't oing to be on his guard. Don't you remember readin my previous post? 🙂
Yeah, apparently he gave no effort at all. No effort to save his butt from death, yet again.
Not going full out because you want to torment someone, thats what he did at first. I like many others have come to terms with that.
Not going full out even if it means saving your life? No gut reaction for self preservation? OR Not enough SPEED to even attempt it? Sorry, from what i have seen of sephiroth in AC, speed wise, nothing makes me believe Kuja would have any trouble keeping up.
Sorry, champ, but Sephiroth wasn't trying. Let me ask you something, when you aren't giving it your best, are you demonstrating how fast you can move?
You've only seen Sephiroth at < 1% of his potential, and even that gives him the edge over Kuja.
What i CLEARLY meant was....
Sephiroth has NEVER used the NL in anyway OFFENSIVELY.
He covered the sky blocking the sunlight for a while, no damage was sustained ANYWHERE in the world by it.
Falling into the normal lifestream disintegrated Sephiroth's pre nibelheim body, stagnant lifestream causes bodies to be destroyed as in the case of Grimoire Valentine and Nero's darkness, Sephiroth can ver easily use the NL as a weapon.
You really need to experience the compilation. 🙂
Originally posted by fascistcrusaderPlease pay attention. Sephiroth wasn't trying, of course he isn't oing to be on his guard. Don't you remember readin my previous post? 🙂
He is not on his guard? Are you now madly delusional? Not using one of your best moves, providing he even has it, dose not mean he is not on his guard. Unless your saying sephiroth parried clouds attack just by luck and not because he was on guard?
Fact is he didn't have the power or speed to dodge ominislash or endure it.
Fact is Kuja had the power to survive a battle with Zidane and co. then a Ultima blast. THEN a 100f fall down the lifa tree.
Sorry, champ, but Sephiroth wasn't trying. Let me ask you something, when you aren't giving it your best, are you demonstrating how fast you can move?
If this was restricted to a marathon, no. However this is a fight. Speed is not the only thing in battles, i saw NO evidence that he was holding back any speed feats.
Please, do prove me wrong with an official quote or a statement from Square-Enix saying sephiroth held his speed back.
You've only seen Sephiroth at 1% of his potential, and even that gives him the edge over Kuja.
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1%? oooookay, if thats how powerful you really think sephiroth is.... thats cool...keep dreaming.
Just out of curiosity 1% of what? His HP? His 'Strength'? His Magic attack? His Endurance? Fill in the gaps please.
Let me guess... your gonna guess at what it means rather then give actual evidence or proof.
Falling into the normal lifestream disintegrated Sephiroth's pre nibelheim body, stagnant lifestream causes bodies to be destroyed as in the case of Grimoire Valentine and Nero's darkness, Sephiroth can ver easily use the NL as a weapon.
He "can"? Did he? Has he in the past? Did the powers of the NL save him from clouds ominislash? Are you trying to use a theory as evidence?
I laugh at you. 😂
You really need to experience the compilation. 🙂 [/B]
Best case scenario for you is sephiroth can kill kuja as well, pity though you cant prove it.
Pity for you, you also cant disprove the way i have said that Kuja kills/defeats sephiroth.
Fear the power of Trance Kuja, foolish sephy fanboy mortal.
Oh, Ultimate Kuja, when will you learn? How many times do you have to be owned in this topic?
The creators have outright stated that Sephiroth wasn't trying in that fight, he didn't use any effort. Even with that though, he had Cloud, who would wtfpwn Kuja in any form, on the defensive. This means that less than 1% of Sephiroth's power is alreay far greater than traceed Kuja, if he went all out Kuja wouldn't stand a chance. AC Sephiroth can simply blink Kuja out of existence.
Its ok though, even though you're a fangirl at least you have the sense to admit it.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Oh, Ultimate Kuja, when will you learn? How many times do you have to be owned in this topic?The creators have outright stated that Sephiroth wasn't trying in that fight, he didn't use any effort. Even with that though, he had Cloud, who would wtfpwn Kuja in any form, on the defensive. This means that less than 1% of Sephiroth's power is alreay far greater than traceed Kuja, if he went all out Kuja wouldn't stand a chance. AC Sephiroth can simply blink Kuja out of existence.
Its ok though, even though you're a fangirl at least you have the sense to admit it.
Note also the restatement of a previous argument, without evidence to back it up, and the continued use of a number irrelevant without a relative measure.
As well as a healthy dose of hyperbole.
Originally posted by fascistcrusaderProve he was only using 1% of his power.
Oh, Ultimate Kuja, when will you learn? How many times do you have to be owned in this topic?The creators have outright stated that Sephiroth wasn't trying in that fight, he didn't use any effort. Even with that though, he had Cloud, who would wtfpwn Kuja in any form, on the defensive. This means that less than 1% of Sephiroth's power is alreay far greater than traceed Kuja, if he went all out Kuja wouldn't stand a chance. AC Sephiroth can simply blink Kuja out of existence.
Its ok though, even though you're a fangirl at least you have the sense to admit it.
Originally posted by General Kaliero
Note the use of the ad hominem abusive argument, typically used when a debater is unable to find a fault with an argument, yet still disagrees with it for various reasons.Note also the restatement of a previous argument, without evidence to back it up, and the continued use of a number irrelevant without a relative measure.
As well as a healthy dose of hyperbole.
Who's argument are you critiquing here?
In the fight against Cloud in AC:
Did Sephiroth use the Negative Lifestream on Cloud? No
Did Sephiroth use any magic, limits, etc? No
Did Sephiroth use any of his Jenova abilities? (super speed, teleporting, etc) No
Did Sephiroth use his tekekinesis/willpower? Only a little to drop the top of the building on Cloud for fun.
Cloud is no weakling either, Cloud himself in terms of feats and abilities shown, can probably solo the FF9 party that defeated Kuja.
Sephiroth did not use his powers, or go all out on Cloud, yet he still was capable of killing Cloud, he could've killed him when he was helpless against the wall but chose not to.
Keep in mind that Kuja need to fire MULTIPLE Ultimas to destroy the surface of Terra, Sephiroth would stop Kujas Ultima on the first charge.
Sephiroth stopped a Holy attack (SINGLE attack) that was capable of destroying everything on Gaia with his willpower.
Thats even IF Kuja is able to survive a speedblitz by Sephiroth, which we have no evidence of Kuja being capable of.