Bugenhagen said EVERYTHING will be gone, everything, meteor, WEAPONs, even ourselves (both him and Cloud, etc)
Also the fact that the white materia is the antithesis of black materia, Holy is the only thing powerful enough to destroy meteor, perhaps even more powerful then Meteor itself.
Meteor is capable of basically extinguishing the population and leaving the planet in a horrible state, Holy is atleast as powerful as this.
Keep in mind that Kuja need to fire MULTIPLE Ultimas to destroy the surface of Terra, Sephiroth would stop Kujas Ultima on the first charge.
There is no evidence he "needed" to fire that many. Incase you forgot I already told you he fired that many because he wanted to kill all the genomes by his own hand, he hated them and wanted them to suffer. Sort of like cloud and sephys relationship.
Your also forgetting he just tranced for the first time when he did that, in most story lines people dont have full control of any new power within the first 1 minute.
Sephiroth stopped a Holy attack (SINGLE attack) that was capable of destroying everything on Gaia with his willpower.
Was holy going after sephy? Nope. He blocked the energy of the attack while it was enroute to its destination, i dont care what you say, but its totally different to stopping an attack coming directly for you.
If you dont think so answer me this...
If sephiroths TK is so powerful why did he not use it to stop clouds ominislash, if he is THAT powerful and fast then he would of no contest.
Dont say he was holding back either, sephiroth knows from personal experience that ominislash is a finishing move. So the most logical conclusion is that he didn't have the power to do so.
The best comparison i can come up with here is Vivi casting holy on Sephiroth and instead of sephy taking the hit like a man he uses bind on Vivi to stop it.
Prove he was only using 1% of his power.
Indeed, do prove this for us all.
Oh, Ultimate Kuja, when will you learn? How many times do you have to be owned in this topic?
Who is owning me please.
You? Terry? Sure at first my arguments sucked (found out after re-reading them) but from what i can see its the other way around.
Just so happens i was playing FFIX again recently and i came across a interesting quote from that game i forgot all about....
Just before the final Kuja battle.
TranceKuja: "I'm surprised you beat the 4 chaoses that I created from the crystals memory."
So apart from the other powers we know about:
Telepathy (talks to zidane after he teleports him clear of the lifa tree)
Ultima (can blow up a world)
Teleportation (instant)
Group teleportation. (at will even if he cant see them)
Creating dimensions (seemingly instantly and under his own power, think of all he did before the invincible got back to Gaia)
Now we can add one more: Creating things from someones memory.
I actually cant believe i forgot about that quote...oh well. Now let me guess someone is going to say its wrong? I'm lying? OR it dont prove anything, right? WRONG.
Seems like he can do instantly as well, why you ask? Well considering the time he has it would have to be bloody fast anyway. Then if you consider he calls deathguise out of nowhere instantly, it makes complete logic.
Which also gose with this...In the lifa tree before bahamut is called.
Kuja: "I can create monsters from the mist."
Those "monsters" appear instantly after he says so, no spell chanting or casting time.
Some people actually think Sephiroth is so powerful.....
Well compared to a normal villain he might be, but anyone who says Kujas powers are on another level, i would have to freaking agree.
So how dose this power help you ask? Well he can create anything from sephiroths memory like Cloud, Zack, Aerith, Jenova, Genesis or even a Sephiroth clone. Basically put he can sit on the side lines laughing while sephiroth fights.
Still have not been proved wrong... TranceKuja >> AC Sephiroth >> Kuja.
Originally posted by UltimaKuja
There is no evidence he "needed" to fire that many. Incase you forgot I already told you he fired that many because he wanted to kill all the genomes by his own hand, he hated them and wanted them to suffer. Sort of like cloud and sephys relationship.Your also forgetting he just tranced for the first time when he did that, in most story lines people dont have full control of any new power within the first 1 minute.
Your also forgetting he just tranced for the first time when he did that, in most story lines people dont have full control of any new power within the first 1 minute.
Was holy going after sephy? Nope. He blocked the energy of the attack while it was enroute to its destination, i dont care what you say, but its totally different to stopping an attack coming directly for you.
If you were capable of stopping a bullet, would it be harder to stop a bullet firing at you? Or firing at your friend? It makes no difference.
Sephiroth stopped its movement, doesnt matter if its aiming south or north.
If you dont think so answer me this...
If sephiroths TK is so powerful why did he not use it to stop clouds ominislash, if he is THAT powerful and fast then he would of no contest.
Dont say he was holding back either, sephiroth knows from personal experience that ominislash is a finishing move. So the most logical conclusion is that he didn't have the power to do so.
The best comparison i can come up with here is Vivi casting holy on Sephiroth and instead of sephy taking the hit like a man he uses bind on Vivi to stop it.
Who is owning me please.
You? Terry? Sure at first my arguments sucked (found out after re-reading them) but from what i can see its the other way around.
Just before the final Kuja battle.
TranceKuja: "I'm surprised you beat the 4 chaoses that I created from the crystals memory."
So apart from the other powers we know about:
Telepathy (talks to zidane after he teleports him clear of the lifa tree)
Ultima (can blow up a world)
Teleportation (instant)
Creating dimensions (seemingly instantly and under his own power, think of all he did before the invincible got back to Gaia)
Now we can add one more: Creating things from someones memory.I actually cant believe i forgot about that quote...oh well. Now let me guess someone is going to say its wrong? I'm lying? OR it dont prove anything, right? WRONG.
Seems like he can do instantly as well, why you ask? Well considering the time he has it would have to be bloody fast anyway. Then if you consider he calls deathguise out of nowhere instantly, it makes complete logic.
Which also gose with this...In the lifa tree before bahamut is called.
Kuja: "I can create monsters from the mist."
Those "monsters" appear instantly after he says so, no spell chanting or casting time.
So how dose this power help you ask? Well he can create anything from sephiroths memory like Cloud, Zack, Aerith, Jenova, Genesis or even a Sephiroth clone. Basically put he can sit on the side lines laughing while sephiroth fights.
... Wtf? Please tell me you are joking.. i mean i've heard stupid comments on these forums before but this is a completely different level.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Umm the first shot took down a few buildings, the second shot took down more buildings, theres NO evidence that one shot can ruin the surface of Gaia, when he needed to do MULTIPLE shots.
Well the first shot was obviously a test.
The rest of the shots kept going indefinitely.
Again, you have not proved he needed to use that many, you have not disproved my reasons for him doing it.
Your just a Kuja hater who cant accept the truth.
You cannot claim Kuja didn't have his full trance powers just because he just got them without any base of evidence, you are just "assuming" again
Its a fact when someone obtains a new power they dont instantly master it, you dont give a gun to a man and expect him to be a perfect marksman instantly do you?
Does it make a difference? No.If you were capable of stopping a bullet, would it be harder to stop a bullet firing at you? Or firing at your friend? It makes no difference.
Sephiroth stopped its movement, doesnt matter if its aiming south or north.
Firstly, bullets? Soo irrelevant... oh well.
Yes it dose make a difference, Sephiroth basically binded the attack, as i recall he did not disperse it, he would have to hold holy indefinitely or holy would vanquish his sorry arse. Sephiroth is NOT capable of enduring holy directly or holding it indefinitely.
I think by now i have already proved Kuja has more endurance then Sephiroth will ever have. Get over it.
Why didn't Sentry fly WWH into the sun? Why didn't Kefka blow up the FF6 party with the statues? Due to PIS purposes, and the fact that Sephiroth was toying with Cloud and it caught him off guard, Omnislash happens instantly.
Non AC stuff again? This is getting a habit with you, you cant prove me wrong so you bring other stuff into the argument.
Cloud caught him off guard? WOAH, really? The almighty power of sephiroth is caught of guard by an inferior fighter?
Let me guess, you now claim that sephiroth was holding back his self awareness powers? Right? With you the powers of sephiroth have no limits, with logic they do.
Either way, you say Sephiroth speed > anyone else. Yet cloud PWNed sephiroth with his fast attack.
Sephiroth did not even have a chance to dodge, even though he is so fast?
Sephiroth could not endure it, even though he is SOOOOO powerful?
Your argument contradicts its self so much, i dont know why you bother.
Sephiroth was holding back, its a fact. Read above.
Again you missed my point.
He dose not hold back his endurance during ominislash.
He dose not hold back his speed during ominislash.
He dose get owned by the inferior fighter during ominislash.
Cloud can do it, Kuja can do it. I have so explained every possible way in the previous posts, please read them and learn to understand what i mean.
Then learn to accept this, even if it goes against your beliefs it can be correct. I am correct.
and as for Cloud owning TranceKuja..... 😂 I bet that was your best dream ever, right? Pity you had to wake up to the truth. 😂
Vivi isn't capable of using the same Holy in FF7, if Vivi used Holy from FF9 on Sephiroth, he would simply swat it away like a fly.
True, Vivi can not do that.
You missed this point too, what sephiroth dose to holy is the same a binding someone attacking, you block the energy used for the attack before it can strike. Sephiroth just binds on a much larger scale thats all, but can it be done indefinitely? I KNOW it cant.
You still haven't changed, you're still saying baseless things, still assuming, you still haven't learned to debate.
LMAO, i have been using real ingame quotes.... LMAO
Your the only one who has not changed, your sephy fanboy opinion >>>>> Logic.
C'mon ppl, who has changed the least me or Terry? Cause he wont just believe me saying it.
And in what way is this going to harm Sephiroth?
Mentally taunting sephiroth? I didn't list it as an offensive power, i listed it because he can do it.
Umm wtf no it cant, it was able to ruin the surface of Terra with multiple blasts, it would get stopped on the first charge.
PROOF YOU DONT LISTEN TO ME.... ill copy paste what i said before....
"After Kuja ultimas Terra, before they escape on the ship.
Mikoto: "But Garland is dead. Terra will soon be destroyed."
Mikoto says "SOON", meaning what you see in the FMV is not the full extent of the damage. Any theory saying "kuja razed the surface because thats all you see him do", is a failed one.
On the invincible before they reach Gaia.
Amarant: "You dont think this is the end, do you?"
Zidane: "...Are you talking about Kuja?"
Amarant: "Do you really think he perished with Terra?"
SO, ingame quotes say Kuja "destroyed Terra" and that Terra perished.
Black Mage Village.
Mikoto: "You haven't got a chance. You saw Kuja's power. He Destroyed a world by himself...."
Zidane: "We might be desperate insects to Kuja,""
Seemingly? Is he going to do this after he gets a sword through his head?
Prove Kuja "gets a sword through his head."
Please stop dipping into the eggnog before posting your "debate".
I think its pretty obvious that Kuja created memoria instantly, the invincible gets back pretty fast, yet by the time it dose the mist has already covered Gaia. The mist emanates from what Kuja is doing.
Cool, Jenova turned an entire POWERFUL race into monsters, and causing that entire race to go extinct, Sephiroth is the new evolution of Jenova, and he has all of her powers and abilities.
So because his "mother" did it he would/can?
... Wtf? Please tell me you are joking.. i mean i've heard stupid comments on these forums before but this is a completely different level. [/B]
READ WHAT I BLOODY SAY, FULLY!
C&P time..again..
Just before the final Kuja battle.
TranceKuja: "I'm surprised you beat the 4 chaoses that I created from the crystals memory."
He CAN create things from memories, including sephiroths memory.
Which could be Cloud... or anyone else/anything else that kuja decides.
I know you hate Kuja and me. I know you think my debating skills suck, but are you REALLY going to ignore the ingame quote?
I laugh at you 😆
This Video seems appropriate for this topic. I did not make it.
A) The winner is Kuja =P
B) Watch from 2:20 ~ 2:22, observe the speed the camera moves and how many building go by. NOW say Ultima is not fast.
Originally posted by UltimaKuja
Well the first shot was obviously a test.
The rest of the shots kept going indefinitely.
Again, you have not proved he needed to use that many, you have not disproved my reasons for him doing it.
Your just a Kuja hater who cant accept the truth.
He HAD to use that many to destroy the surface therefore, he HAD to.
One blast was able to destroy some buildings, not take out the entire surface of the planet, watch the video.
Its a fact when someone obtains a new power they dont instantly master it, you dont give a gun to a man and expect him to be a perfect marksman instantly do you?
Ultima cannot destroy the surface of Terra in one shot, and the fact that he needed to fire multiple shots proves that.
Firstly, bullets? Soo irrelevant... oh well.
Yes it dose make a difference, Sephiroth basically binded the attack, as i recall he did not disperse it, he would have to hold holy indefinitely or holy would vanquish his sorry arse. Sephiroth is NOT capable of enduring holy directly or holding it indefinitely.
Holding it indefinately? He held it for months.
I think by now i have already proved Kuja has more endurance then Sephiroth will ever have. Get over it.
Non AC stuff again? This is getting a habit with you, you cant prove me wrong so you bring other stuff into the argument.
Cloud caught him off guard? WOAH, really? The almighty power of sephiroth is caught of guard by an inferior fighter?
Let me guess, you now claim that sephiroth was holding back his self awareness powers? Right? With you the powers of sephiroth have no limits, with logic they do.
Either way, you say Sephiroth speed > anyone else. Yet cloud PWNed sephiroth with his fast attack.
Sephiroth did not even have a chance to dodge, even though he is so fast?
Sephiroth could not endure it, even though he is SOOOOO powerful?
Your argument contradicts its self so much, i dont know why you bother.
Again you missed my point.
He dose not hold back his endurance during ominislash.
He dose not hold back his speed during ominislash.
He dose get owned by the inferior fighter during ominislash.
Omnislash would destroy Kuja as well
Hold back his speed? He was caught off guard, the move FREEZES the opponent, and happens in the blink of an eye, Sephiroth does not see time in slow motion.
Trance Kuja gets owned by an even inferior party then Cloud himself, and Trance Kuja was going all out.
Sephiroth could have killed Cloud even without using his powers, or even trying.
Cloud can do it, Kuja can do it. I have so explained every possible way in the previous posts, please read them and learn to understand what i mean.
Trance Kuja lost to a party even weaker then Cloud going all out, and had to resort to kamikaze, if the FF9 party can do it, Sephiroth sure as hell can do it without even breaking a sweat.
and as for Cloud owning TranceKuja..... 😂 I bet that was your best dream ever, right? Pity you had to wake up to the truth. 😂
True, Vivi can not do that.
You missed this point too, what sephiroth dose to holy is the same a binding someone attacking, you block the energy used for the attack before it can strike. Sephiroth just binds on a much larger scale thats all, but can it be done indefinitely? I KNOW it cant.
Your the only one who has not changed, your sephy fanboy opinion >>>>> Logic.
Everything you post about Kuja standing a chance is just assumption, Kuja has NEVER demonstrated anything that even suggests he can survive a speedblitz, nothing suggests he can survive being TK'd, nothing.
"After Kuja ultimas Terra, before they escape on the ship.
Mikoto: "But Garland is dead. Terra will soon be destroyed."Mikoto says "SOON", meaning what you see in the FMV is not the full extent of the damage. Any theory saying "kuja razed the surface because thats all you see him do", is a failed one.
On the invincible before they reach Gaia.
Amarant: "You dont think this is the end, do you?"
Zidane: "...Are you talking about Kuja?"
Amarant: "Do you really think he perished with Terra?"SO, ingame quotes say Kuja "destroyed Terra" and that Terra perished.
I dont see the words "blow up" anywhere
I've already taught you what the word "destroyed" means, but I dont think your brain is capable of memorizing it so I will teach you again
Destroy: to render ineffective or useless
(hence, ruining the surface)
Perish: to die or be destroyed; ruin.
(note: ruin)
Nothing says Terra blew up or even suggested that it did. We see the surface getting ruined so we cannot baselessly assume that it "blows up".
Prove Kuja "gets a sword through his head."
Please stop dipping into the eggnog before posting your "debate".
I think its pretty obvious that Kuja created memoria instantly, the invincible gets back pretty fast, yet by the time it dose the mist has already covered Gaia. The mist emanates from what Kuja is doing.
So because his "mother" did it he would/can?
C&P time..again..
Just before the final Kuja battle.
TranceKuja: "I'm surprised you beat the 4 chaoses that I created from the crystals memory."He CAN create things from memories, including sephiroths memory.
Which could be Cloud... or anyone else/anything else that kuja decides.I know you hate Kuja and me. I know you think my debating skills suck, but are you REALLY going to ignore the ingame quote?
If you think Sephiroth would even let Kuja get into his mind you are kidding yourself, we're talking about a guy whos mind is so powerful that his conciousness can't even die, his willpower doesn't let him die.
Also, prove that he can do that from living beings memories, using that logic, Kuja should beable to simply create a bunch of Kuja clones to do his work from Zidanes memory.
I laugh at you 😆This Video seems appropriate for this topic. I did not make it.
A) The winner is Kuja =P
B) Watch from 2:20 ~ 2:22, observe the speed the camera moves and how many building go by. NOW say Ultima is not fast.
Umm, thats not fast
THIS is fast(watch from 0:15 - 1:00)
Chaos Vincent and Omega Weiss, would speedblitz Kuja, and both of them are even BELOW Sephiroth.
Originally posted by Terryc250
First was a test? STOP BASELESSLY CLAIMING THINGS, STOP ASSUMING, your making yourself sound stupid
You make your self sound stupid with almost every single post, about how sephy can do this and that even though you cant back it up.
When playing as Vivi and learning flare, do you not TEST it on the first go. TEST its damage to see if its a decent attack?
When someone buys a new gun do they not take it to a firing range and TEST it out?
When sora gets the keyblade for the first time dose he not TEST it out on some barrels?
When people are buying new shoes do they not TEST them to make sure they fit and dont hurt?
So, when Kuja first gets the power of Ultima dose he not TEST it on the building in front of him?
One word, L-O-G-I-C. Try reading what it means in a dictionary or something.
He HAD to use that many to destroy the surface therefore, he HAD to.One blast was able to destroy some buildings, not take out the entire surface of the planet, watch the video.
No he did not. One shot was more then enough but it would of taken longer, he CHOOSE to fire that many. He CHOOSE to.
What does being a marksman have to do with anything? If you were bloodlusted and wanted to kill the person infront of you, then you obtained a weapon to kill the person infront of you, will you start chopping at the ground, or in the air?
It proves people are not at there best when they first use something, the same is true for Kuja. Let me guess you think after Sephiroth was hatched in his testtube he instantly knew how to use a sword? OR did he practice?
LMAO, i just realized im asking YOU this question. Silly me.
Ultima cannot destroy the surface of Terra in one shot, and the fact that he needed to fire multiple shots proves that.
The word "needed" is totally your fanboy opinion. You cant prove he needed opposed to chose to.
Your also forgetting that the protagonists where just below him while he was obliterating Terra. He couldn't do it in one attack solely because they would die if he did. Your almighty "plot protection" works here.
Yes, he stopped it, binded it, etc, same thing he can do to Kuja.Holding it indefinately? He held it for months.
Holding the energy that was to be used for holy and holding a physical being is totally different. PROVE he can do it to Kuja, maybe like he did to, i dun know, Cloud?
FYI Forever AKA indefinitely >> months.
Dont even try and say he can hold it forever OR he can endure the attack.
I foresee no evidence coming on this point from you in your reply.
I'm giving you examples of PIS, i can't believe i even had to explain that to you.
And im telling you i dont care, it wont be a problem in this battle.
Either way Sephiroth lost...once....twice....how many times now?
Think Kuja would be beaten this many times if he was given a chance?
Self-awareness powers? Sephiroths powers have no limits? Wtf are you talking about? Where the hell are you getting these from?
Listening to you, thats the impression you seem to give off about your beloved Sephiroth.
Sephiroth doesn't see time in slow motion, Sephiroth did not have a chance to dodge because it CAUGHT HIM OFF GUARD (try to remember this for more then 5 seconds please) No, Omnislash is a plot device move, that would take out any antagonist of the story.
Sephiroth was WATCHING cloud as he jumped up and initiated his ominislash, he was not looking the other way.
Still he did not manage to dodge it even seeing the whole thing, he had since cloud jumped up and his sword started to glow to do something.
He could of teleported behind cloud, he didn't.
He could of speedblitzed cloud back to the floor, he didn't.
He could of TK'd cloud while waving his sword in his face, He didn't.
So many things you claim he CAN do that he don't. Tell me what Sephiroth can AND did do.
As for ominislash working on Kuja, who is not some idiot holding back all the time, prove it.
Your brain lacks intelligence so much i don't even know why i bother.
Endurance? Please learn the proper word, endurance means stamina, durable/durability is the word.
Listen up bookworm.
STHU, stop quoting from a dictionary and learn how people use words OTHER then how they appear in the holy book of the dictionary.
Endurance is the story equivalent of HP in gameplay. Only exception is after your endurance runs out you dont get KO'd, you die.
Omnislash would destroy Kuja as well
"As for ominislash working on Kuja, who is not some idiot holding back all the time, prove it."
Trance Kuja gets owned by an even inferior party then Cloud himself, and Trance Kuja was going all out.
Owned? LMAO! First he owns everyone on Terra.
Then he blows Terra up.
Then he teleports/flys back to Gaia and creates memoria.
Then he creates the guardians.
THEN he fights the group again (and you think he was going all out? he dose all that in a short period of time and you think he was at full power?)
Then his time runs out, he even says it himself, as terry would say if this was sephiroth....he dose NOT say "You beat me" he says "my time is up".
THEN he uses Ultima again and KILLS them all, hitting himself in the process.
Falls over 100feet down the lifa tree.
AND STILL SURVIVES, KEEPING ENOUGH OF HIS ENERGY TO SAVE EVERYONE WITH HIS POWERS.
Even then its not Confirmed that he dies, just highly speculated.
WTF HAS SEPHIROTH DONE TO COME ANYWHERE CLOSE?
1 Ominislash in AC? L....M....F.....GOD DAMN......A....O.
The only thing you got on your side is a fancy movie which has sephiroth in, as well as the other FFVII games. Even then Kuja still PWNs sephiroth in power and endurance.
Sephiroth could have killed Cloud even without using his powers, or even trying.
Ironically thats exactly what sephiroth did, but i seem to recall him loosing and dying in the process.
Your argument fails as much as this horse did....
Your argument fails as much as this animal control expert....
Your argument fails as much as this guy impressing the female species...
Since this is so amusing (and true), one more for the road. Your failure is like this....
Do ya get me yet?
To be continued......
I didn't say Cloud can, i said Cloud is far superior to any FF9 protagonist, the same guys who beat Kuja.
Binding someone before they attack, or as they're attacking, what says it cannot be done "indefinately"?
*wonders if i should use another "fail" picture*
No, Logic > your fangirlism
So, im a fangirl. YOUR a fanboy. The ultimate battle of...Fangirl Vs Fanboy.
Actually its more like Fangirl who is proving points Vs Fanboy who can only use his fanboyism as a weapon.
I dont see the words "blow up" anywhere
And i didn't quote Mikoto saying kuja destroyed a lil town.
Mikoto: "But Garland is dead. TERRA will soon be destroyed."
And i didn't quote amarant saying Kuja only scared them into fleeing.
Amarant: "Do you really think he perished with Terra?"
Guessed this one too.
Mikoto: "You haven't got a chance. You saw Kuja's power. He Destroyed a world by himself...."
I've already taught you what the word "destroyed" means, but I dont think your brain is capable of memorizing it so I will teach you againDestroy: to render ineffective or useless
(hence, ruining the surface)Perish: to die or be destroyed; ruin.
(note: ruin)
Allow me to re-teach you something.
"Listen up bookworm.
STHU, stop quoting from a dictionary and learn how people use words OTHER then how they appear in the holy book of the dictionary."
Maybe its time for some personal growth? Try with the above statement.
Because he controls his "mother", he has her powers, abilities, her everything, so logically yes, it does mean he can.
Since when dose this prove ANYTHING in this battle.
*Points at the above "fail" pictures*
Sephiroths willpower > Chaos' memory
Chaoses are what he brought to life from a memory, it was a statement of something he is capable of.
If you think Sephiroth would even let Kuja get into his mind you are kidding yourself, we're talking about a guy whos mind is so powerful that his conciousness can't even die, his willpower doesn't let him die.
If you think you know how this ability works, FAIL. We dont.
If you think you can prove sephiroth can stop kuja bringing someone, like cloud, to life from sephiroth memory. You also FAIL again. Because you cant.
It is not stated willpower can alone can stop Kuja doing this.
Also, prove that he can do that from living beings memories, using that logic, Kuja should beable to simply create a bunch of Kuja clones to do his work from Zidanes memory.
Kuja is only stated to need a memory to use this power.
Umm, thats not fastTHIS is fast(watch from 0:15 - 1:00)
Chaos Vincent and Omega Weiss, would speedblitz Kuja, and both of them are even BELOW Sephiroth. [/B]
Them two are fighting in a VERY enclosed space, Ultima is traveling across a whole kingdom. It is clearly moving at extraordinary speeds.
From what i have seen, this attack would close the distance cloud and sephiroth had when cloud started his ominislash faster then cloud can move. If cloud caught sephy off guard and beat him. Ultima will do it in half the time.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Chaos Vincent and Omega Weiss, would speedblitz Kuja, and both of them are even BELOW Sephiroth.
Whoo...you just showed off two completely different people and tried to use that as to why Sephiroth can beat Kuja. Alright Dante can stop time with ease so Kuja can just do that. See how your logic fails?
(1) Chaos Vincent & Omega Weiss are not Sephiroth and (2) Sephiroth does not control the Lifestream nor does he have the speed displayed by Vincent and Weiss because like you and many said; he controlled (according to the creators) something that could be described as a Negative Lifestream and the Negative Lifestream isn't where Vincent, Cloud, Tifa, or anyone got their Materia from.
FF7 creators said Sephiroth was the overall strongest character in the FF7 universe but not the fastest. Because if he COULD move that fast he would have easily dodged Cloud's Omnislash but Cloud was moving too fast for Sephiroth to dodge.
Speaking of which the Supernova attack from the US version (and I think most of them) is vastly different then the original which would be considered the canon version of the game since the game is of Japanese origin:
So that should shut up that whole Sephiroth can destroy planets with Supernova bull I've been hearing where as Kuja has destroyed a planet (Terra) and so far no one here has proved otherwise where many have showed evidence to support their claims. And speaking of which didn't the creators of Final Fantasy come up with a list stating the strongest FF villains and wasn't Trance Kuja like number 2 and Ultimecia (or however you spell her name) was number 1.
Originally posted by UltimaKuja
You make your self sound stupid with almost every single post, about how sephy can do this and that even though you cant back it up.When playing as Vivi and learning flare, do you not TEST it on the first go. TEST its damage to see if its a decent attack?
When someone buys a new gun do they not take it to a firing range and TEST it out?
When sora gets the keyblade for the first time dose he not TEST it out on some barrels?
When people are buying new shoes do they not TEST them to make sure they fit and dont hurt?
So, when Kuja first gets the power of Ultima dose he not TEST it on the building in front of him?
One word, L-O-G-I-C. Try reading what it means in a dictionary or something.
So some characters test there weapons, "OH SO THAT MEANS KUJA CAN REALLY DESTROY THE SURFACE OF TERRA IN ONE BLAST!"
Get real, post some REAL evidence, this is where your debating skills utterly fails.
No he did not. One shot was more then enough but it would of taken longer, he CHOOSE to fire that many. He CHOOSE to.
It proves people are not at there best when they first use something, the same is true for Kuja. Let me guess you think after Sephiroth was hatched in his testtube he instantly knew how to use a sword? OR did he practice?
LMAO, i just realized im asking YOU this question. Silly me.[/quote]
Wtf is wrong with you? What does being a markman have to do with anything? Was Kuja practicing his aim? No. Did Sephiroth test the Meteor on some other planets before using it on earth so he can practice his aim? No. He did what he wanted to do right from the get go.
The word "needed" is totally your fanboy opinion. You cant prove he needed opposed to chose to.
Your also forgetting that the protagonists where just below him while he was obliterating Terra. He couldn't do it in one attack solely because they would die if he did. Your almighty "plot protection" works here.
Holding the energy that was to be used for holy and holding a physical being is totally different. PROVE he can do it to Kuja, maybe like he did to, i dun know, Cloud?
He held the entire party cast in the air while torturing them in FF7, he dropped the top of an entire building during AC, theres proof he can hold physical things as well.
FYI Forever AKA indefinitely >> months.Dont even try and say he can hold it forever OR he can endure the attack.
I foresee no evidence coming on this point from you in your reply.
All he needs to do is hold Kuja for 1 minutes while he dismembers him from limb to limb, why would he need to hold a corpse forever?
And im telling you i dont care, it wont be a problem in this battle.
Either way Sephiroth lost...once....twice....how many times now?
Think Kuja would be beaten this many times if he was given a chance?
No because once Kuja dies, hes dead, gone for good.
He lost in FF7 to the entire party cast equipped fully with materia and at their most powerful, while Sephiroth was holding the most powerful power.
He then lost in AC because he toyed around with Cloud
If this was a bloodlusted battle, Sephiroth would kill Kuja in the blink of an eye.
Listening to you, thats the impression you seem to give off about your beloved Sephiroth.
Sephiroth was WATCHING cloud as he jumped up and initiated his ominislash, he was not looking the other way.
Still he did not manage to dodge it even seeing the whole thing, he had since cloud jumped up and his sword started to glow to do something.
He could of teleported behind cloud, he didn't.
He could of speedblitzed cloud back to the floor, he didn't.
He could of TK'd cloud while waving his sword in his face, He didn't.
Unfortunately for you, Sephiroth won't be toying around with Kuja, and he won't beable to catch Sephiroth offguard with any speedy attack (like he has any anyways)
So many things you claim he CAN do that he don't. Tell me what Sephiroth can AND did do.
Sephiroth CAN use the negative lifestream - if you understood the story in AC, read the UOG, reunion files, watched AC, you would know this.
Sephiroth CAN use his willpower telekinesis - Used it in FF7 to hold the most destructive power, held all party members in the air, took down the top of the shinra building with a thought.
Sephiroth HAS all of Jenova's powers - In FF7 he was flying, phasing through object, teleporting, etc, just with Jenova body parts, in AC, Sephiroth became Jenova, 100% Jenova body, it was stated:
Sephiroth, the New Evolution of Jenova
Sephiroth became the newest stage of evolution for Jenova, and anything "Jenova" does in the game's present day is simply Sephiroth invoking his new powers. When Sephiroth came into the picture, the minds of the two joined, and Sephiroth made himself the core of the viral entity that Jenova was, with his ambitions being fueled by his desire to destroy all the humans he despised. Thus, his will manifested through Jenova's extensive psionic powers.
As for ominislash working on Kuja, who is not some idiot holding back all the time, prove it.
Great come back. If thats how you feel, please, by all means stop replying.
If my arguments are that crap, which you seem to believe, why are you bothering? Or is it that you know im right?
Listen up bookworm.
STHU, stop quoting from a dictionary and learn how people use words OTHER then how they appear in the holy book of the dictionary.
Endurance is the story equivalent of HP in gameplay. Only exception is after your endurance runs out you dont get KO'd, you die.
Owned? LMAO! First he owns everyone on Terra.
Then he blows Terra up.
Then he teleports/flys back to Gaia and creates memoria.
Then he creates the guardians.
THEN he fights the group again (and you think he was going all out? he dose all that in a short period of time and you think he was at full power?)
Then his time runs out, he even says it himself, as terry would say if this was sephiroth....he dose NOT say "You beat me" he says "my time is up".
THEN he uses Ultima again and KILLS them all, hitting himself in the process.
Falls over 100feet down the lifa tree.
AND STILL SURVIVES, KEEPING ENOUGH OF HIS ENERGY TO SAVE EVERYONE WITH HIS POWERS.Even then its not Confirmed that he dies, just highly speculated.
Falls down, survives for a bit, then dies.
WTF HAS SEPHIROTH DONE TO COME ANYWHERE CLOSE?
1 Ominislash in AC? L....M....F.....GOD DAMN......A....O.The only thing you got on your side is a fancy movie which has sephiroth in, as well as the other FFVII games. Even then Kuja still PWNs sephiroth in power and endurance.
He won't last a speedblitz from Sephiroth, even if he does, he has no chance against Sephiroths TK, or negative lifestream.
Ironically thats exactly what sephiroth did, but i seem to recall him loosing and dying in the process.
Your argument fails as much as this horse did....Your argument fails as much as this animal control expert....
Your argument fails as much as this guy impressing the female species...
Since this is so amusing (and true), one more for the road. Your failure is like this....
Do ya get me yet?
To be continued......
Wow you must feel real cool now don't you? Whats sad is, atleast when people post these pictures on the board, they do it in a comedic fashion, you just did it in a horrible pathetic way, good job proving to everyone you are an 8 year old.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Whoo...you just showed off two completely different people and tried to use that as to why Sephiroth can beat Kuja. Alright Dante can stop time with ease so Kuja can just do that. See how your logic fails?
(1) Chaos Vincent & Omega Weiss are not Sephiroth and (2) Sephiroth does not control the Lifestream nor does he have the speed displayed by Vincent and Weiss because like you and many said; he controlled (according to the creators) something that could be described as a Negative Lifestream and the Negative Lifestream isn't where Vincent, Cloud, Tifa, or anyone got their Materia from.
Nothing has been shown to be different from the NL and the lifestream, NL was able to create life, SHM, is able to be used for a source of magic, as the SHM were using summons right from the NL.
FF7 creators said Sephiroth was the overall strongest character in the FF7 universe but not the fastest. Because if he COULD move that fast he would have easily dodged Cloud's Omnislash but Cloud was moving too fast for Sephiroth to dodge.
Speaking of which the Supernova attack from the US version (and I think most of them) is vastly different then the original which would be considered the canon version of the game since the game is of Japanese origin:So that should shut up that whole Sephiroth can destroy planets with Supernova bull I've been hearing where as Kuja has destroyed a planet (Terra) and so far no one here has proved otherwise where many have showed evidence to support their claims. And speaking of which didn't the creators of Final Fantasy come up with a list stating the strongest FF villains and wasn't Trance Kuja like number 2 and Ultimecia (or however you spell her name) was number 1. [/B]
First of all, can i ask you when was Supernova even mentioned in this debate?
And no there was no official list of the most powerful villains of FF, but i can assure you Sephiroth would be really high up on the if there was seeing as Tetsuya hypes the shit out of him, even watch the Dissidia trailer.
Tons of people use the word "strength" to describe the overall abilities of a character(instead of wasting their time citing all the abilities one by one).
Sephiroth is the golden boy of FFVII, Square-Enix loves him. And they used the words "nothing above him" to describe Seph, too.
It's ridiculously obvious that they weren't talking about only his physical strength.
S-E loves Sephiroth, and therefore they made him the most powerful, faster, etc. character of FFVII. Is that simple.
And please, stop talking about a list that doesn't exist.
Originally posted by SHM
Tons of people use the word "strength" to describe the overall abilities of a character(instead of wasting their time citing all the abilities one by one).
Sephiroth is the golden boy of FFVII, Square-Enix loves him. And they used the words "nothing above him" to describe Seph, too.It's ridiculously obvious that they weren't talking about only his physical strength.
S-E loves Sephiroth, and therefore they made him the most powerful, faster, etc. character of FFVII. Is that simple.
You keep saying it; most powerful of FF7; not overall FF. And Sephiroth has never displayed the ability to travel nearly as fast as Weiss or Vincent because if he could; he would have easily dodged Cloud's Omnislash.
Originally posted by SHM
And please, stop talking about a list that doesn't exist.
When I find it I'll post it.
Sometimes, when judging the power level of a characters, the best thing to do is look at how the creators portray him in the story.
The creators of FFVII loves him, and do everything possible to make him look like the ultimate villain of FFVII. Hell, they even had the "effort"(I don't know if this is the right word) to go on an interview and state point blank that "there is nothing above him".
You guys REALLY can't see what they are trying to tell us?!
Let's say that they make an official game where "AC Sephiroth" fights against Omega Weiss, or any other villain from a FFVII spin-off, in a bloodlust fight(both of them going all out).
Do you think they would make Sephiroth lose? I mean, seriously, "look" at me with a straight face and answer: Do you REALLY believe S-E would make their golden boy villain(and one of the most popular characters in RPG's history) lose to a villain from a lame spin-off?! Do you believe Weiss would use his "superior speed" to dance around him(like some people say), and easily kill him?! Easily kill the guy that "there is nothing above him"?!
Guys... Get real. S-E would make Sephiroth own him, or at least stalemate with him. And to do that, Sephiroth would have to be insanely fast, powerful, durable, and etc.
Maybe he isn't as fast as Omega Weiss and Chaos Vincent, but he is close. Even in CC he is already moving faster than the eyes can see, and speedblitzing friggin Zack(the guy who dodges bullets from machine-guns). And that's the weakest form of Sephiroth.
I know that to some people, it seems that my post is full of speculation(giving examples of a game that doesn't exist, and a fight that never happened), but it isn't. I'm just stating the way Sephiroth is portrayed by the creators. They love him, and would never make him inferior to any spin-off villain of FFVII. They would never state or imply that Sephiroth is inferior in speed or power to anyone else in FFVII. This is not how they want to portray him.
Sephiroth was created by those guys. And because of that, I think the best way to judge him is by how those guys see him.
What a long post.