Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
I believe its been officially stated that Trance Kuja is strongest FF villain of all time (sephiroth merged with jenova being 3rd)1st: trance kuja
2nd: time compressed ultimacia
3rd: Jenova merged Sephiroth
4th: god kefka (interesting... ud think he wudda been higher)
In coolness Kuja>>>>>>Sephy,
In power Kuja>>>>Sephy,
In close range combat Sephy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kuja.
In uniqueness Kuja>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sephy (black cloaked man with sword, soo original),
In magic abilities Kuja>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sephy (Kuja teleports sephy into space and he suffocates, that's just for starts),
To lazy to write "Trance Kuja" 15 times =/
Hmmm....what else is there to compare? o.o
In your opinion it is.
Coolness= Does that even matter. It's someone's opinion.
Power= Seph has the Lifestream.
Close Range= Yes
Originality= I'm not going to even bother touching this one.
Spells: (Just so you know, that wouldn't work, due to Sephiroth not needing to breathe.) Sephiroth is a master over all materia.
Originally posted by Furion
In your opinion it is.Coolness= Does that even matter. It's someone's opinion.
Power= Seph has the Lifestream.
Close Range= Yes
Originality= I'm not going to even bother touching this one.
Spells: (Just so you know, that wouldn't work, due to Sephiroth not needing to breathe.) Sephiroth is a master over all materia.
This thread dose not say Kuja vs Sephy "In battle only"
Since coolness IS a factor my opinion counts, just like yours and it should be down to popular vote, don't dismiss it.
Power...I don't remember sephy killing anyone with the lifestream, so unless u know its exact limits, hard to say that....
Originality....don't count? more like u CANT mount any defences in sephys favor.
sephy don't NEED to breath? riiiiight, guess them lungs he has is just for the sake of fitting in......what a load of CRAP!
Jenova is a calamity from the sky, she flew to earth, and shapeshifted herself to look like the Cetras deceased loved ones, Jenova needs no air to breath, she doesn't sweat or run out of energy, Sephiroth is Jenova.
Lifestream is the essence and power of the entire planet, it can basically do anything. Sephiroth stated he was going to transform the entire planet into his own vessel, lifestream is also capable of destruction, we've seen a small portion of the lifestream disinigrate Meteor, Sephiroth will either Speedblitz Kuja, TK him frozen stiff then cut him to shreds, or kill him with the lifestream.
Kuja is cool? I guess if you think midget transvestites are cool..
Terry, you are quite clearly a final fantasy 7 fan boy, thats ok...
BUT, being bias against Kuja wont be tolerated, just cause FFIX ain't had a sequal -_-
Did you even play FFIX? or you just read other pplz bad reviews and let them decide your life?
Finally, leave JENOVA's feats out of it, i don't remember it saying sephy had EVERY ability JENY did.....
You obviously have no knowledge of Sephiroth, SEPHIROTH IS JENOVA, meaning everything that Jenova is/was, is Sephiroth.
I'm a fanboy because I state facts? YOU are obviously a Kuja fanboy, you don't see me going around shouting how "cool" Sephiroth is and how unique he is.. did i upset you by calling Kuja a midget transvestite?
1) I'm obviously a a fan girl
2) yes, i quite offended. But i have learned to restrain my self from typing to much into that.
3) your obviously a sephy fan boy.
4) i think you underestimate sephys arrogance, if cloud can beat sephy (Regardless of how much he held back) Kuja can too.
I dun wanna break any hearts here, but sephy ain't invincible, get over it and move on ^^
FURTHERMORE......i have plenty of knowledge on sephy and JENOVA, since i have the games, i played the games and i understood the games. Aswel as the movie which i have seen countless times.
I think your knowledge is lacking here NOT mine.
i don't remember it saying sephy had EVERY ability JENY did.....
I don't remember sephy killing anyone with the lifestream,
Comprehend this, Sephiroth IS Jenova, Jenova IS Sephiroth, he has her body, powers, voice, form, etc
Kuja is not Cloud, Cloud only won because
a) PIS
b) Didn't use any of his powers
c) Refused to kill him when he had chances, so he can continue to torment him for as long as he could
It won't be the same with Kuja
Originally posted by Terryc250
a) PIS
b) Didn't use any of his powers
c) Refused to kill him when he had chances, so he can continue to torment him for as long as he couldIt won't be the same with Kuja [/B]
I see, your a psychologist? Or did use some special power to read his mind to figure that out? .........nope, thought not.
So, thats your OPINION, not some fact that happens to elude me.
....dident use his powers, tormented him.... sounds a lot like well a lot of arrogance, that happens to be part of his personality, now i'm no expert but i dont think he can just turn that off.
Also, theres no proof that sephys lil abilities that your soooo proud of(lifestream) would even work on Kuja, he IS from a different planet after all and he's not human like any other of his "victims", he's a genome. Even if it affected him genetically he still is a powerful sorcerer and could mount a defence.
1 added note: this is AC sephy and if in AC he dun use his powers, why would he get to in this hyperthetical battle. ~got ya now, dont i?~
~Yawn~ getting tired now, but ill still be here to defend Kuja from your clearly bias opinion. 😄
This is ridiculous. You cannot prove a character is cooler than another one. That's just opinion, no matter what you say.
And about originality... FFIX was an homage to the previous FFs. Most of it is not original, and that includes Kuja's character.
But anyway... It exist a DMW in Crisis Core called "Light Speed". In this cutscene, Pre-Nibel Sephiroth(his weakest and slowest form ever) kills a group of Genesis copies and robots, in less than a second. He literaly disappears while moving, and he does the same thing against Zack on Nibelheim.
Kuja on the other hand, don't have any feats of speed. And we can see his magic attacks, but we cannot see Sephiroth when he is moving.
Exist maaaaaaaaany ways he could beat Kuja. But to turn this simple, I will only use the speedblitz argument.
1. No. How much a character is cool doesn't matter at all and is only ones opinion.I can say HUNK or Leon Kennedy or Dante is cooler then Kuja. That would be my opinion. It would not affect the overall outcome of the fight.
Where's all the long silver haired black jacket wearing insane guys that wield freaking long swords?
Lifestream destroyed Meteor which wasn't of that world and wasn't connected to the lifestream at all.
Oh and about AC Sephiroth not getting his powers......Go talk to a guy named Burning Thought. Tell him Defiance Kain doesn't have any powers from Blood Omen 1 and 2. What he'll say is basically the same thing for Sephiroth.
More sephy fan-boys, what did i do to deserver this -_-
Like i said before this thread is NOT, repeat NOT about battle only, if it was it would of said so. I have already admitted coolness is my opinion but it still belongs in this vs thread, like i ALSO said before it should be down to everyones vote.
Meteor was just a giant hunk of rock, non-living, non-intelligent ROCK, is the same true for Kuja? Did that rock have the ability to cast magic? NO!
I did not say AC sephy did not have his powers.....i simply stated he decided not to use them, since this thread is about that AC sephy and he did not USE his powers.....he wouldn't use them here, after all your only giving Kuja credit for things u actually see him do, yes? and we know for a FACT he dose not show all his abilities or feats (damn you square-Enix for no sequel or spin offs like FFVII got).
I have all FF before IX, while I'm aware the OVERALL game is NOT original thats not we are debating here. Kuja = NOT original? Hmmm prove it, cuz i dun remember seeing anyone like him before and i think i would remember that.
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Well this "Light speed" your so impressed with, like u said is in FF: CC and has no relevance. He did not use it against cloud in FF:VII(PSOne) or in AC. Also yo do note every sequel sephy appears in he gets more and more stronger, unlike FFIX where Kuja don't have the chance.......all them abilities and he still lost....TWICE!
Lmao u didn't like my coolness vs part? your gonna love this ^^
Amounts of times evil plans stopped Kuja>>>Sephy, score 1 more point for Kuja, baby. (see the whole non-sequel part can work in my favor too)
While on the other hand i do agree with you about speed, at least from what i have available, but kuja CAN teleport freely at will, now im not saying thats a 100% defense against sephy...not by quite a bit. But yet again his teleporting abilities never really got fully explained.
Last line of defense...for now....taking this a lil out of the final fantasy world...in KH:2 you can quite easily block sephys speedblitz with sora. YES, YES, i KNOW he had the key blade, im simply saying there could be some magic conterpart to block his attack.
Now for you ppl, i noticed you don't really come up with a decent counter-argument or even prove 1/10 of what i say incorrect....its always sephy COULD do this or that, please for the love of god actually fully read this post before just dismissing everything i say for you precious sephy. (which you all happen to be fan-boys of)
Originally posted by UltimaKuja
I see, your a psychologist? Or did use some special power to read his mind to figure that out? .........nope, thought not.So, thats your OPINION, not some fact that happens to elude me.
....dident use his powers, tormented him.... sounds a lot like well a lot of arrogance, that happens to be part of his personality, now i'm no expert but i dont think he can just turn that off.
Also, theres no proof that sephys lil abilities that your soooo proud of(lifestream) would even work on Kuja, he IS from a different planet after all and he's not human like any other of his "victims", he's a genome. Even if it affected him genetically he still is a powerful sorcerer and could mount a defence.
1 added note: this is AC sephy and if in AC he dun use his powers, why would he get to in this hyperthetical battle. ~got ya now, dont i?~
~Yawn~ getting tired now, but ill still be here to defend Kuja from your clearly bias opinion. 😄
No its from the words of the creators, you fail.
Lifestream destroys matter, If it can destroy a meteor, or a planet, or humans, I'm sure it can destroy Kuja
Because AC Sephiroth has the power of negative lifestream duh!
The only feat Kuja has is his destroying the surface of Terra feat, which isn't even that impressive, if it was Sephiroth on Terra, he wouldve transformed Terra into his ship, and raided other planets, infecting them and basically becoming unstoppable.
Originally posted by UltimaKuja
More sephy fan-boys, what did i do to deserver this -_-
Meteor was just a giant hunk of rock, non-living, non-intelligent ROCK, is the same true for Kuja? Did that rock have the ability to cast magic? NO!
I did not say AC sephy did not have his powers.....i simply stated he decided not to use them, since this thread is about that AC sephy and he did not USE his powers.....he wouldn't use them here, after all your only giving Kuja credit for things u actually see him do, yes? and we know for a FACT he dose not show all his abilities or feats (damn you square-Enix for no sequel or spin offs like FFVII got).
I have all FF before IX, while I'm aware the OVERALL game is NOT original thats not we are debating here. Kuja = NOT original? Hmmm prove it, cuz i dun remember seeing anyone like him before and i think i would remember that.
Well this "Light speed" your so impressed with, like u said is in FF: CC and has no relevance. He did not use it against cloud in FF:VII(PSOne) or in AC. Also yo do note every sequel sephy appears in he gets more and more stronger, unlike FFIX where Kuja don't have the chance.......all them abilities and he still lost....TWICE!
Last line of defense...for now....taking this a lil out of the final fantasy world...in KH:2 you can quite easily block sephys speedblitz with sora. YES, YES, i KNOW he had the key blade, im simply saying there could be some magic conterpart to block his attack.
Now for you ppl, i noticed you don't really come up with a decent counter-argument or even prove 1/10 of what i say incorrect....its always sephy COULD do this or that, please for the love of god actually fully read this post before just dismissing everything i say for you precious sephy. (which you all happen to be fan-boys of)
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Which isn't destroying a planet.🙂Sephiroth cannot blow up a planet like Kuja can.
Kuja destroyed the SURFACE
Sephiroth could just use the planet, travel to another planet, then after hes done with the planet, withdraw all its lifestream
And that planet would be ENITRELY destroyed