Trance Kuja vs. AC Sephiroth

Enlighten me all you want ill still be here to stop your insaine notion of sephy>kuja.

"Your point? The lifestream was able to travel across the continent in seconds"

Weak argument here but, that was the lifestream not affected by sephy, with sephy at the helm things wold be diffrent.

"Sephiroth with a gesture of his hand covered the entire Midgar city with the negative lifestream"

Yup thats uber fast, any real damage to the planet? NO. Anyone get hurt by it? NO. Did it look pretty? NO!!!!

"The lifestream is so fast it makes Kuja look like a rock, and Sephiroth can always TK Kuja frozen."

Last i checked Kuja was immune to status affects. So would tornados but that dun mean one could beat Kuja.

"Why wouldn't he use them here?"

READ THE F'in........AHem....Cause He never used them in AC and the thread is called "AC sephy" NOT "AC sephy who learned from his past mistakes".

"Kuja is NOT Cloud"

. . .No comment needed, even my perceptive abilities noticed that.

"meaning he has no reason to torment Kuja like he did with Cloud"

AGAIN REA......Tormenting ppl is part of his character, its something he LIKES to do.

"like he killed Tseng"

Was that not a sephy clone that did that?

"transvestites are quite original in the FF series i admit its true."

I swear, stop calling him that
A) Its not true, next time even think of saying it i want a quote from an official source or ima......just dont.

B) Someone sounds jealous of Kuja, i bet ya just some overweight child attacking someone who you counlent possibly understand.

C) Attacking a Final Fantasy char with verbal assults is weak and pathetic, but i get you have no other attacks that would work. HE is NOT a transvestite.

"Wow, I think ur a bit slow-minded or something"

Attacking me with verbal assaults is quite clearly sad and pointless, i simply have a diffrent point of view then you.

"AC Sephiroth > FFVII Sephiroth > CC Sephiroth"

Well thats quite clearly true, yet that almighty technique which was in CC, NEVER appeared in VII, let alone the movie. Thus has no place in this battle.

"Thats Gameplay, in gameplay you can take multiple sword hits and survive, and little cactus monsters can take giant bahamut blasts"

OK, i submit for the whole WORLD to see, i was wrong about that, i withdraw that statement. Game battles and CGI type battles have diffrent mechanics.

"in actual fight, Sora would get blitz'd just as Tifa got blitz'd by Loz. "

*looks for official evidence* Hmmm another Opinion, not that this has anything to do with Kuja and Sephy but the keyblade is proven to protect its master from dangers he would be PWNED by without.

"Tell me what i've said thats incorrect and i'll give you proof he can do it. "

Well "Sephy would kill kuja" thats for a start, but its really all that matters....

"Sephiroth cannot blow up a planet like Kuja can."

Terry, this IS true...well if he did actually blow the planet whole, dun get me wrong im saying he did, BUT im also not saying he didn't. True the FMV dose not show the planet blow like the death star BUT also dose not show a planet still standing after the aftermath of the explosion taking place.

Basically put its left for people to interpret best they can. (please dun let our debate start forming about this) -_- Thats all for now ^^

Tseng was not dead.

"Sephiroth could just use the planet, travel to another planet, then after hes done with the planet"

Just like driving a car, eh?.....WARNING: to any ppl who want to use a planet as a vessel, please remember inexperienced drivers COULD crash into the sun, please be careful now. would kinda end sephys plan fast, eh?

Note: that was meant as humor not actual evidence for all the ppl reading us debate with each other. ^^

"withdraw all its lifestream

And that planet would be ENITRELY destroyed"

Last time i checked bugenhagen who's model this was was not sephy, was not a cetra and finally was not JENVOA, how the hell can you say he was even right OR that he didn't use that model to motivate cloud. Simply put that's unreliable evidence at best.

Originally posted by UltimaKuja
[B]Enlighten me all you want ill still be here to stop your insaine notion of sephy>kuja.

Weak argument here but, that was the lifestream not affected by sephy, with sephy at the helm things wold be diffrent.

Yup thats uber fast, any real damage to the planet? NO. Anyone get hurt by it? NO. Did it look pretty? NO!!!!

You have some horrible logic, we've seen what the lifestream is capable of, so just because you didn't see it in the movie, doesn't mean its unable to do so. Thats like saying just because we haven't seen Barrett kill a human with his gun, it means his gun is unable to harm humans.

"The lifestream is so fast it makes Kuja look like a rock, and Sephiroth can always TK Kuja frozen."

Last i checked Kuja was immune to status affects. So would tornados but that dun mean one could beat Kuja.

READ THE F'in........AHem....Cause He never used them in AC and the thread is called "AC sephy" NOT "AC sephy who learned from his past mistakes".

AGAIN REA......Tormenting ppl is part of his character, its something he LIKES to do.

"like he killed Tseng"

Was that not a sephy clone that did that?

"transvestites are quite original in the FF series i admit its true."

I swear, stop calling him that
A) Its not true, next time even think of saying it i want a quote from an official source or ima......just dont.

B) Someone sounds jealous of Kuja, i bet ya just some overweight child attacking someone who you counlent possibly understand.

C) Attacking a Final Fantasy char with verbal assults is weak and pathetic, but i get you have no other attacks that would work. HE is NOT a transvestite.

transvestite:
"person with a strong desire to dress in clothing of the opposite sex"

transvestite:
Someone who dresses in the clothes usually worn by the opposite sex. Transvestites may be bisexual, heterosexual, or homosexual (see bisexuality, heterosexuality, and homosexuality).

So I dont understand why you're denying it.

"Wow, I think ur a bit slow-minded or something"

Attacking me with verbal assaults is quite clearly sad and pointless, i simply have a diffrent point of view then you.

"AC Sephiroth > FFVII Sephiroth > CC Sephiroth"

Well thats quite clearly true, yet that almighty technique which was in CC, NEVER appeared in VII, let alone the movie. Thus has no place in this battle.

"Tell me what i've said thats incorrect and i'll give you proof he can do it. "

Well "Sephy would kill kuja" thats for a start, but its really all that matters....

"Sephiroth cannot blow up a planet like Kuja can."

Terry, this IS true...well if he did actually blow the planet whole, dun get me wrong im saying he did, BUT im also not saying he didn't. True the FMV dose not show the planet blow like the death star BUT also dose not show a planet still standing after the aftermath of the explosion taking place.

"withdraw all its lifestream

And that planet would be ENITRELY destroyed"

Last time i checked bugenhagen who's model this was was not sephy, was not a cetra and finally was not JENVOA, how the hell can you say he was even right OR that he didn't use that model to motivate cloud. Simply put that's unreliable evidence at best.

"Sephiroth > Kuja, because there r so many ways Sephiroth can kill Kuja, and their are no ways Kuja can harm Sephiroth"

FAN-BOY OPINION. (enuf said)

"Sephy at the helm thing? What are you talking about?"

When the planet used the lifestream as a weapon...well it was the planet.
If sephy used it the same way, the outcome could be very different.

And I'm getting rather annoyed with the whole sephy getting use the lifestream thing, if he gets to use that, then kuja should equally get something he can control over....like his dragons and the invincible
. Either of which can change the outcome of the battle EVEN if u happen to state something like "there no match for the lifestream". like so many ppl have said "there's always (ill repeat that for you, ALWAYS) the luck of the moment"

"Did he use it to attack Cloud? No."

A) He couldn't
B) He was to overconfident (like always) and cocky
take ya pick.

"You have some horrible logic, we've seen what the lifestream is capable of, so just because you didn't see it in the movie, doesn't mean its unable to do so."

Like i said and now conveniently you have to "didn't see it in the movie".
This thread is based on sephys feats from the movie...I.E he dun use it in the movie,, he dun use it here. (weather or not he is capable)

"Thats like saying just because we haven't seen Barrett kill a human with his gun, it means his gun is unable to harm humans."

One word, Dyne. True he dun finish him off but you clearly see his gun affect him.(try again)
Also I'm not applying....ain't seen, ain't capable of logic, I'm applying didn't do, so cant do logic, I.E AC sephy DIDN'T do it, so AC sephy in this battle wont.

"Telekenises is a status effect? Huh? Do you know what TK is? Its not a spell, its a MENTAL FORCE."

Work on standard humans and lifeforms, yes. Work on powerful sorcerer from a different planet, NO! (OK, maybe a lil. but if u think Kuja's powers wont be able to nulify it...WRONG!).

"Don't compare Sephiroths TK with "tornados" tornados cant contain Holy."

I'm not, i was suggesting the moving speed of a tornado would make Kuja look stil...(meaning the circular speeds of the wind).

"I don't know if you have trouble understand, or you have reading problems"

No, i understand what your saying all to clear, i can make the same argument to you as well. I'm just passionate about my debating. ^^

"Sephiroth is only ARROGANT with CLOUD, because he wants to torment him as much as he could, WITH OTHERS, he kills them instantly, Aeris, Zack, he massacred Nibelheim, the shinra masion, all in no time at all."

Zack, Areis and the ppl at Nibelheim just got into his way, he didn't have an interest in them.
Cloud he viewed as a challenge and I'm sure he would view kuja the same way if he challenged him to combat or saw what he is capable of.
Also comparing Kuja to some common peasant with no powers, weapon or materia is.....outrageous.

"No it was Jenova bodyparts, acting on Sephiroths willpower."

Expect me to remember every little detail? but don't go thinking yo know it all either.

""I'm just stating facts here.. why are you denying it? I'll give a couple DEFINITIONs of a transvestite from dictionary.com

transvestite:
"person with a strong desire to dress in clothing of the opposite sex"

transvestite:
Someone who dresses in the clothes usually worn by the opposite sex. Transvestites may be bisexual, heterosexual, or homosexual (see bisexuality, heterosexuality, and homosexuality).

So I don't understand why you're denying it.""

That my lil friend is whats known as applying human logic to non-humans on a planet that is NOT called earth.
I have NO memory of kuja saying he "desired" or even "wanted" to look like a woman. He simply wears revealing cloths. unless your calling all the jap's who wear/wore similar cloths "transvestites"?
Furthermore, i don't see any cloths shops in FFIX where he could change even if he wanted to. Is Dio from VII one too? (Not that i care about him)
Apparently you have never heard of cultural differences.

"No, its because you're not comprehending simple things, and stating false things even though you cearly lack knowledge of Sephiroth."

I at no point said i knew everything about sephy or JEVOVA for that matter.
But I'm sure you think you think you do, don't worry i wont hold it against you.

"He never needed to use it, using the Jenova parts in FFVII he had powers of Jenova, that attack is nothing compared to his actual magic and jenova powers."

More feats that did not appear in AC? *sigh*

"What can Kuja do against a speedblitz?"

Suppose he teleported out the way? Use a protection spell? HELL for all we know he could just fart at sephy, the point with that is that YOU don't know either.

"What speed feats does Kuja have?"

Suppose it depends on if his teleportation is one of moving fast or de-materializing. If its a speed feat consider the fact he....
1) escaped Terra's impending doom
2) got to Gaia
3) created memoria
4) waited patiently for zidane

BEFORE they even got back to Gaia in the most advanced airship and fastest in the game, shows some considerable speed.

"What can Kuja do against the lifestream?"

What can the lifestream ACTUALLY do against Kuja, that you know for a fact without spectating.

"What can Kuja do against Sephiroths TK?"

Use his own powers?

"Kuja didn't "blow up" Terra, there is no evidense that says he did, we see the SURFACE destroyed"

didn't read what i put did you? or your just dumb. After the initial explosion you do NOT witness that planets fate, it dose NOT show you.
Weather or not it wold be there in ruins or blown like the death star is pure speculation.

Read and fully comprehend my words before making your next post, thank you.

Originally posted by Terryc250
I don't understand what you just said, Bugenhagen showed what would happen if the lifestream was taken out of the planet. Sephiroth INFECTED the planet and took over the lifestream, giving him CONTROL over it, use your logic here please.

I'm saying ....bluntly....how the f*ck dose he know?
He is speculating, you are speculating.

Say i get a 3D model of our solar system and show in 200 years Mars orbit would destabilize and it crash into jupiter, would it make it so? NO!

In Final Fantasy VII, there is absolutely no technology to even monitor weather conditions, so how would bugen know?

Wow can you PLEASE reply normally with proper quotes? Its a hassle to read your replies when you type like that.

"Sephiroth > Kuja, because there r so many ways Sephiroth can kill Kuja, and their are no ways Kuja can harm Sephiroth"

FAN-BOY OPINION. (enuf said)

When the planet used the lifestream as a weapon...well it was the planet.
If sephy used it the same way, the outcome could be very different.

And I'm getting rather annoyed with the whole sephy getting use the lifestream thing, if he gets to use that, then kuja should equally get something he can control over....like his dragons and the invincible
. Either of which can change the outcome of the battle EVEN if u happen to state something like "there no match for the lifestream". like so many ppl have said "there's always (ill repeat that for you, ALWAYS) the luck of the moment"

A) He couldn't
B) He was to overconfident (like always) and cocky
take ya pick.

Like i said and now conveniently you have to "didn't see it in the movie".
This thread is based on sephys feats from the movie...I.E he dun use it in the movie,, he dun use it here. (weather or not he is capable)

One word, Dyne. True he dun finish him off but you clearly see his gun affect him.(try again)
Also I'm not applying....ain't seen, ain't capable of logic, I'm applying didn't do, so cant do logic, I.E AC sephy DIDN'T do it, so AC sephy in this battle wont.

You're trying to argue facts, Sephiroth has control over the lifestream, FACT, not only has he said it in the movie, but its been stated by the creators themselves.

Just because Sephiroth didn't use it on Cloud, it doesn't mean he cant use it at all, we've seen him use it, just not on Cloud, there is also a reason why he didn't use it on CLoud which i've stated numerous times now.

Sephiroth has control over the lifestream, FACT, don't try to argue it.

Work on standard humans and lifeforms, yes. Work on powerful sorcerer from a different planet, NO! (OK, maybe a lil. but if u think Kuja's powers wont be able to nulify it...WRONG!).

No, i understand what your saying all to clear, i can make the same argument to you as well. I'm just passionate about my debating. ^^

Zack, Areis and the ppl at Nibelheim just got into his way, he didn't have an interest in them.
Cloud he viewed as a challenge and I'm sure he would view kuja the same way if he challenged him to combat or saw what he is capable of.
Also comparing Kuja to some common peasant with no powers, weapon or materia is.....outrageous.

That my lil friend is whats known as applying human logic to non-humans on a planet that is NOT called earth.
I have NO memory of kuja saying he "desired" or even "wanted" to look like a woman. He simply wears revealing cloths. unless your calling all the jap's who wear/wore similar cloths "transvestites"?
Furthermore, i don't see any cloths shops in FFIX where he could change even if he wanted to. Is Dio from VII one too? (Not that i care about him)
Apparently you have never heard of cultural differences.

Suppose he teleported out the way? Use a protection spell? HELL for all we know he could just fart at sephy, the point with that is that YOU don't know either.

What can the lifestream ACTUALLY do against Kuja, that you know for a fact without spectating.

So what can Kuja do to protect against this? Please don't just say "Well hes a sorcerer so it just wont work against him!"

Use his own powers?

didn't read what i put did you? or your just dumb. After the initial explosion you do NOT witness that planets fate, it dose NOT show you.
Weather or not it wold be there in ruins or blown like the death star is pure speculation.

I'm saying ....bluntly....how the f*ck dose he know?
He is speculating, you are speculating.

Say i get a 3D model of our solar system and show in 200 years Mars orbit would destabilize and it crash into jupiter, would it make it so? NO!

In Final Fantasy VII, there is absolutely no technology to even monitor weather conditions, so how would bugen know?

Oh.. My.. God.. How the F*ck does Bugenhagen know?

First of all, if theres no PLOT reasons at all, you cannot claim a character is LYING

Second of all, Bugenhagen is well over a century old, he can hear the cries of the planet, he is basically the Guru of FFVII, meant to teach the players how the lifestream and planet works, don't even try to argue that Bugenhagen is lying, that is just ridiculous

Originally posted by Terryc250
Kuja destroyed the [b]SURFACE

Sephiroth could just use the planet, travel to another planet, then after hes done with the planet, withdraw all its lifestream

YouTube video

And that planet would be ENITRELY destroyed [/B]

2. So he's not actually a planet buster, he only absorbs lifestream? Yet he can destroy planets without it? Riiiiiight...

"Wow can you PLEASE reply normally with proper quotes? Its a hassle to read your replies when you type like that."

You quote your way, ill quote mine ^^

"...and what would be the difference? Anything infected by J-cells becomes controlled at Sephiroths will, he even stated he'll turn the planet into his own vessel, obviously he has complete control over it."

Turn planet into his vessel......fighting Kuja...Relevance? Note: Kuja aint infested with J-cels.

"The lifestream is Sephiroths weapon, its under his power.. What feats does his dragon have anyway? None?"

Hmmmm.....hundreds of dragons flying at him....startle him? distract him? confuse him? claw at him? bite him? Need i continue?

"Sephiroth wanted to torment Cloud for as long as he could, keep that in your mind please."

Your missing the underlying reason. Besides once you start tormenting ppl you can get into a pattern of doing it, him being JENOVA don't mean he wold be immune to normal psychology.

"Wow your really not understanding my point, If a game manual states Tifa is a human, and she needs to eat, but you don't see her eating in the AC movie, does it mean she doesn't eat at all? No it doesn't."

Your right, it don't, but needing to eat and deciding which powers he is going to use is totally different.

"You're trying to argue facts, Sephiroth has control over the lifestream, FACT, not only has he said it in the movie, but its been stated by the creators themselves."

Having a certain power and deciding to use it are two different things, free will is such a *****.

"Just because Sephiroth didn't use it on Cloud, it doesn't mean he cant use it at all, we've seen him use it, just not on Cloud, there is also a reason why he didn't use it on CLoud which i've stated numerous times now."

Read above....

"Sephiroth has control over the lifestream, FACT, don't try to argue it."

Where did i say he cant?

"ITS NOT A SPELL, it works on ANYTHING that is PHYSICAL, from mist, to buildings, to whatever, having the title "sorcerer" means nothing unless you have proof Kuja has something to defend against it."

I don't see you proving Kuja can't defend, weather you wanna call him a sorcerer or a mage dun matter. He has power's and abilities of his own and according to you he will just stand there and lose.

"No, you're foolishly trying to argue facts, don't argue the creators words, don't argue the characters words."

I see, characters words are edged in stone? They don't make mistakes? Or even lie?
The creators, OK which words of the creators are you talking about?

"No he has no history with Kuja, he will eliminate him quick"

lol, you mean he would try. i believe my 4th statement is enough...

"i wasn't comparing Kuja to them, i was stating, Sephiroth is ONLY like that to CLoud, anyone else he finishes off quick."

Well good, only like that to cloud up to that point, people and there attitudes can change.

"We talk in OUR culture, that's why we're speaking ENGLISH right now, that's why we call Sephiroth sword long, that's why we call Sephiroth evil, we speak in OUR culture, and in OUR culture we call those people transvestites."

you still didn't prove Kuja had any desire to dress like a woman, prove that and ill concede the point. I dont remember seeing Kuja walk into a cloths store and ask for the womans section, so good luck proving it.

"Can you show me Kuja's teleport speed, is it instant? Or does he require to CAST? If he must CAST to teleport, it won't help him against an instant speedblitz."

Play FFIX, he clearly teleported without chanting or even waving his hand.
that's fairly conclusive its instant.

"Disintegrate him, Sephiroths body disintegrated when he first fell into the lifestream, when Denzels mom got exposed to the lifestream she died instantly, Lifestream also disintegrated meteor"

was denzel's mom have any powers? did cloud disintegrate when he fell in?

"So what can Kuja do to protect against this? Please don't just say "Well hes a sorcerer so it just wont work against him!""

Well, he can teleport away, he could summon his dragon or he could fly away.....he could attack sephy while he's controlling the lifestream, ever think of that? and please don't say "oh but sephy would be immune to his attacks" sephy is NOT immortal and NOT completely invulnerable. FYI that means he can be defeated.

"Be more specific? Name one of his powers that can protect against Sephiroths TK. Remember Sephiroths TK can hold even Holy still for months."

Holy is a powerful yet simple attack that has no will of its own, just like the summons, Kuja has a strong will and magical abilities. Even should it work, sephy could make a mistake like taunt him or even stare at his beauty (i now i did when i 1st saw him).

So you cannot just say the planet exploded without any evidence. He most likely pulled a Kefka.

For the last f'in god damn time, READ IT THIS TIME....i said, his destroying the planet as the other char's remarked in the game that he did was not fully explained either way.
It is possible that the planet survived but was left in a state that it couldn't support life for a while OR been totally annihilated like the death star. Clearly anyone with any IQ wold understand by this i don't know, but NO ONE dose unless square-enix finally solve the riddle for us. However it IS possible.

"Oh.. My.. God.. How the F*ck does Bugenhagen know?

First of all, if theres no PLOT reasons at all, you cannot claim a character is LYING"

He quite easily could be misinformed or mistaken

"Second of all, Bugenhagen is well over a century old, he can hear the cries of the planet, he is basically the Guru of FFVII, meant to teach the players how the lifestream and planet works, don't even try to argue that Bugenhagen is lying, that is just ridiculous "

Old ppl sometimes forget things or even remember them incorrectly, hearing the planet cry and having a conversation with it and asking it "what would......." such and such do is compleatly diffrent. Masters and Gurus teach what they now, don't mean they are 100% correct.

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OK, my turn....Explain how sephy is gonna survive Kuja's best known attack "Ultima", before you answer consider ultima was blasted out of kuja's hand in seconds AND locks on to its target, furthermore it can NOT be stopped, blocked or defended against.

Flare, the "Ultimate fire attack" it circles around its target then blows, not as powerful as ultima but still not weak. (don't bother saying he can walk through fire, because walking through simple flames and getting hit by flare is TOTALLY different.

Flare star, from what i have seen the stronger you are the more this attack dose, since how you keep boring with with his strength, consider that.

Holy, ok he held holy back, buy holy was not aimed at him, it was aimed at meteor. Used against sephy directly could actually hurt him, remember holy the "ultimate white magic attack" has a habit of being effective against bad guys. (the undead to but that's a different story).

Let me guess ya arguement......"sephy wont be affected", "sephy will be immune" or "sephy will dodge it". Right? show s al how much of a Fan-boy yo are.^_^

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Lifestream at its best can destroy meteor and MAYBE a planet(as in kill all its life), Kuja destroyed one completely. TRY AGAIN.

The Compilation Ultimania explains that only a portion of the Lifestream destroyed Meteor. And another portion of the Lifestream(aka the White Materia/Holy) could destroy everything on a planet.
The entire Lifestream is much more than the White Materia/Holy or what destroyed Meteor.

Kuja destroyed the surface of a dying planet. Holy could do that in much less time than what took Kuja.

Get your facts straight and TRY AGAIN.

Kuja destroyed the surface of a dying planet

Terra wasn't dying. You've said this a few times now so I thought I'd point out you're completely wrong.

Originally posted by UltimaKuja
More sephy fan-boys, what did i do to deserver this -_-

Stating facts make you a fanboy now? XD

Like i said before this thread is NOT, repeat NOT about battle only, if it was it would of said so. I have already admitted coolness is my opinion but it still belongs in this vs thread, like i ALSO said before it should be down to everyones vote.

All threads here are about battles. If one isn't, the OP have to state it.

Meteor was just a giant hunk of rock, non-living, non-intelligent ROCK, is the same true for Kuja? Did that rock have the ability to cast magic? NO!

"Terra was just a giant hunk of rock, non-living, non-intelligent ROCK, is the same true for Sephiroth? Did that rock have the ability to cast magic? NO!"

I did not say AC sephy did not have his powers.....i simply stated he decided not to use them, since this thread is about that AC sephy and he did not USE his powers.....he wouldn't use them here, after all your only giving Kuja credit for things u actually see him do, yes? and we know for a FACT he dose not show all his abilities or feats (damn you square-Enix for no sequel or spin offs like FFVII got).

The characters in all vs threads are suposed to be in bloodlust mode. Do you know what that means?

I have all FF before IX, while I'm aware the OVERALL game is NOT original thats not we are debating here. Kuja = NOT original? Hmmm prove it, cuz i dun remember seeing anyone like him before and i think i would remember that.

He have silver hair like Sephiroth and Ultimecia. During a big part of the game, the characters go looking for him and asking NPCs "Did you see a guy on a silver dragon?", exactly like Cloud and the gang are looking for Sephiroth and asking "Did you see a guy in a black cape?". He used the Kingdom of Alexandria to help him, the same way Ultimecia used the Nation of Galbadia to help her. He kicked Garland out of a cliff, exactly like Kefka kicked Ghestal out of the Floating Continent. He caused destruction indiscriminately, like Kefka. Etc.
He isn't a carbon copy of all previous villains, of course not. His love for poetry for example is original. But many things about him were based in other FF villain.

Well this "Light speed" your so impressed with, like u said is in FF: CC and has no relevance. He did not use it against cloud in FF:VII(PSOne) or in AC. Also yo do note every sequel sephy appears in he gets more and more stronger, unlike FFIX where Kuja don't have the chance.......all them abilities and he still lost....TWICE!

FFVII and CC are part of the same continuity, and are canon to each other. Deal with it.

Lmao u didn't like my coolness vs part? your gonna love this ^^

It's not that "I didn't like" but that "I don't care". I'm here to talk about their powers and feats.
But in your opinion Kuja is cooler than Sephiroth. So what?!

Amounts of times evil plans stopped Kuja>>>Sephy, score 1 more point for Kuja, baby. (see the whole non-sequel part can work in my favor too)

I'm sorry but I don't understand what you are saying.

While on the other hand i do agree with you about speed, at least from what i have available, but kuja CAN teleport freely at will, now im not saying thats a 100% defense against sephy...not by quite a bit. But yet again his teleporting abilities never really got fully explained.

"But yet again his teleporting abilities never really got fully explained". And that's the problem. For all we know, Kuja could have just opened a portal to the Crystal World and entered it. You cannot compare that with "disappearing here and appearing there in a blink of an eye" like Sephiroth can do.

Last line of defense...for now....taking this a lil out of the final fantasy world...in KH:2 you can quite easily block sephys speedblitz with sora. YES, YES, i KNOW he had the key blade, im simply saying [b]there could be some magic conterpart to block his attack.[/b]

KH is not canon to FFVII. And, "There could be"? That's assumption. I can say that "there could be" a spell that protects Sephiroth from all Kuja's attacks. But we need proof. "There could be" isn't enough.

Now for you ppl, i noticed you don't really come up with a decent counter-argument or even prove 1/10 of what i say incorrect....its always sephy COULD do this or that, please for the love of god actually fully read this post before just dismissing everything i say for you precious sephy. (which you all happen to be fan-boys of)

You are the one dismissing what we say, for your precious Kuja. We are using facts and evidences presented by official materials.
You are using your assumptions and "there could be"s.

Also, about the transvestite issue:
Nothing Kuja wears is a female piece of clothing.

-The long half-cape thing around his waist doesn't even have a real life counterpart as far as I can tell. He uses it to hide his tail.

-Thongs have been worn long before it was used as a primarily female form of clothing.

-The top he wears is some sort of armor.

That seems about it...he has long hair but if long hair = female in your view Terry you're not worth anothe rpost.

This is getting a little bit ridiculous, your only argument for Kuja winning is that "Sephiroth won't use his powers" with is pretty lame.

Originally posted by UltimaKuja
You quote your way, ill quote mine ^^

Turn planet into his vessel......fighting Kuja...Relevance? Note: Kuja aint infested with J-cels.

Hmmmm.....hundreds of dragons flying at him....startle him? distract him? confuse him? claw at him? bite him? Need i continue?

Your missing the underlying reason. Besides once you start tormenting ppl you can get into a pattern of doing it, him being JENOVA don't mean he wold be immune to normal psychology.

Your right, it don't, but needing to eat and deciding which powers he is going to use is totally different.

"Just because Sephiroth didn't use it on Cloud, it doesn't mean he cant use it at all, we've seen him use it, just not on Cloud, there is also a reason why he didn't use it on CLoud which i've stated numerous times now."

Read above....

"ITS NOT A SPELL, it works on ANYTHING that is PHYSICAL, from mist, to buildings, to whatever, having the title "sorcerer" means nothing unless you have proof Kuja has something to defend against it."

I don't see you proving Kuja can't defend, weather you wanna call him a sorcerer or a mage dun matter. He has power's and abilities of his own and according to you he will just stand there and lose.

I see, characters words are edged in stone? They don't make mistakes? Or even lie?

[I] lol, you mean he would try. i believe my 4th statement is enough...

Well good, only like that to cloud up to that point, people and there attitudes can change.

you still didn't prove Kuja had any desire to dress like a woman, prove that and ill concede the point. I dont remember seeing Kuja walk into a cloths store and ask for the womans section, so good luck proving it.

Play FFIX, he clearly teleported without chanting or even waving his hand.
that's fairly conclusive its instant.

Well, he can teleport away, he could summon his dragon or he could fly away.....he could attack sephy while he's controlling the lifestream, ever think of that? and please don't say "oh but sephy would be immune to his attacks" sephy is NOT immortal and NOT completely invulnerable. FYI that means he can be defeated.

Holy is a powerful yet simple attack that has no will of its own, just like the summons, Kuja has a strong will and magical abilities. Even should it work, sephy could make a mistake like taunt him or even stare at his beauty (i now i did when i 1st saw him).

For the last f'in god damn time, READ IT THIS TIME....i said, his destroying the planet as the other char's remarked in the game that he did was not fully explained either way.
It is possible that the planet survived but was left in a state that it couldn't support life for a while OR been totally annihilated like the death star. Clearly anyone with any IQ wold understand by this i don't know, but NO ONE dose unless square-enix finally solve the riddle for us. However it IS possible.

Yes but we can only say what we saw, we can't just assume that the planet blew up, the planet destruction is only the SURFACE, since thats the only thing we saw.

"Oh.. My.. God.. How the F*ck does Bugenhagen know?

First of all, if theres no PLOT reasons at all, you cannot claim a character is LYING"

He quite easily could be misinformed or mistaken

Old ppl sometimes forget things or even remember them incorrectly, hearing the planet cry and having a conversation with it and asking it "what would......." such and such do is compleatly diffrent. Masters and Gurus teach what they now, don't mean they are 100% correct.

OK, my turn....Explain how sephy is gonna survive Kuja's best known attack "Ultima", before you answer consider ultima was blasted out of kuja's hand in seconds AND locks on to its target, furthermore it can NOT be stopped, blocked or defended against.

Sephiroth TK'd Holy, and held it for months, Sephiroth is faster then Kuja and will most likely attack first, all he needs to do is stare at Kuja and hes stuck.

Holy, ok he held holy back, buy holy was not aimed at him, it was aimed at meteor. Used against sephy directly could actually hurt him, remember holy the "ultimate white magic attack" has a habit of being effective against bad guys. (the undead to but that's a different story).

Let me guess ya arguement......"sephy wont be affected", "sephy will be immune" or "sephy will dodge it". Right? show s al how much of a Fan-boy yo are.^_^ [/B]

Anyway, unless you can prove Kuja can defend against
a)Speedblitz
b)Lifestream
c) Sephiroth TK
and that means actually NAME what attack he will use to defend against it.

Then Sephiroth wins

Originally posted by IdiotGod

Nothing Kuja wears is a female piece of clothing.

......Its a female belly dancers outfit

Um, no, it's not......
You are wrong. Get over it. He's not a transvestite.

"Stating facts make you a fanboy now? XD"

If all some ppl have to say is sephy this, sephy that and sephy this again, yes.

"All threads here are about battles. If one isn't, the OP have to state it."

Yes, and the battle between these two people should not just be limited to fighting.

"Terra was just a giant hunk of rock, non-living, non-intelligent ROCK, is the same true for Sephiroth? Did that rock have the ability to cast magic? NO!"

What had terra to do with sephy? because my point was based on sephys feat, your point is.....?

"The characters in all vs threads are suposed to be in bloodlust mode. Do you know what that means?"

OK, so personality traits dont count? then whats the point? Kuja and sephy are defined by there personality.

"He have silver hair like Sephiroth and Ultimecia. During a big part of the game, the characters go looking for him and asking NPCs "Did you see a guy on a silver dragon?", exactly like Cloud and the gang are looking for Sephiroth and asking "Did you see a guy in a black cape?"."

More of a final fantasy in general problem, how creative can them guys at square be? I was referring more to his appearance, but i do take note of what u said.

"FFVII and CC are part of the same continuity, and are canon to each other. Deal with it. "

Deal with the fact FFVII is sooooooooooooooooooooo overrated with more then its fair share of spin-offs leaving FFIX ignored? Sorry, i just cant.

"It's not that "I didn't like" but that "I don't care". I'm here to talk about their powers and feats.
But in your opinion Kuja is cooler than Sephiroth. So what?!"

Powers and feats ain't all there is to compare and limiting ya self to only that indicates a closed mind.

"I'm sorry but I don't understand what you are saying."

Neither do i half the time ^_^

""But yet again his teleporting abilities never really got fully explained". And that's the problem. For all we know, Kuja could have just opened a portal to the Crystal World and entered it. You cannot compare that with "disappearing here and appearing there in a blink of an eye" like Sephiroth can do."

I sure as hell can try.

"KH is not canon to FFVII. And, "There could be"? That's assumption. I can say that "there could be" a spell that protects Sephiroth from all Kuja's attacks. But we need proof. "There could be" isn't enough."

I know its not, i used it to make a point. Ok, i make a lot of assumptions? Well (casts reflect) your also making assumptions that kuja cant stand up to sephy.
Sephy is hounded bye you fan boys cause he is so popular, with so much information floating around about him and a movie too, your all drooling over him pathetically. Hardly any information on kuja exists outside FFIX. Therefore more speculation takes place in threads like this then you might realise.

"You are the one dismissing what we say, for your precious Kuja. We are using facts and evidences presented by official materials.
You are using your assumptions and "there could be"s."

1) I dont dismiss it, i listen and i remember.
2) yes, so many facts, where them facts about kuja? OH that's right, "Sephy this, sephy that."

We DON'T assume everything we say about Sephiroth is based on real evidence, or words from the creators, all FACTS.

The thing is, your not giving ANY reasons as to HOW Kuja will defend against Sephiroth, i have given reasons on how Sephiroth can defend against Kuja, and how Sephiroth can BEAT Kuja.

Originally posted by IdiotGod
Um, no, it's not......
You are wrong. Get over it. He's not a transvestite.

ZZZZZ.....terrys turn ^^

"This is getting a little bit ridiculous, your only argument for Kuja winning is that "Sephiroth won't use his powers" with is pretty lame."

Your only argument is that you happen to know his attacks will work on kuja, when u dont.

"sigh.. forum noobs"

*gets over the weak insult*

"How old are you? You completely don't understand points that I'm making, the reasons i stated that was proof as Sephiroth has complete control over the lifestream."

Square-Enix told you the lifestream will work on Kuja specifically? Other wise please STHU about the lifestream, no one ever said this battle would take place on an actual planet, its FFIX vs FFIX, so a neutral field would be in order for fairness, like a ring in a partially phased dimension between FFVII and FFIX

"Haha Sephiroth could destroy hundreds of dragons instantly in his WEAKEST form, AC Sephiroth with a gesture would annihilate all the dragons."

Im not saying the dragons alone would beat sephy (im not that dumb) BUT hundreds all at the same time WILL keep him distracted and on his toes, enough so Kuja can catch him off-guard

"haha because he did it once on Cloud (and had reasons too, including PIS reasons) but not on anyone else, you think its all a sudden become a habit now?"

I'm saying the thrill of it can easily prove its self seductive.

"Why wouldn't he use them? Can you give me a rasons why he wouldn't?"

You practically answered ya own question here, because he wont feel like he would need them.

"Read that he had reasons to torment Cloud, there is NO reasons to toy around tormenting Kuja, he'll treat him just like anyone else."

Same old, same old weak excuses. your going around in circles with this and its pointless

"HOW CAN HE DEFEND? Thats why I'm asking you, I'm waiting for YOUR reasons on to how he can defend against Sephs TK, what ability will he use to counter it? You're giving no reasons at all."

Mental wilpower, "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."

"If there are no plot reasons, NO, characters dont lie, game developers don't make characters lie for no reason at all, they will only lie if it has something to do with the story plot."

Game developers are not perfect and make mistakes (what do you think patches are for?).

"Yes he will try and succeed, Kuja has no defense against a speedblitz, Sephs TK, or his lifestream."

Whats that? OH....AN OPINION!!! your opinion.

"He obviously wanted to dress like that duh.. no one forced him to, so he did it at will."

Meaning he wanted to show off his "Perfect body", yes, but so would i.
Early life of Kuja is never shown, who are you to say that Garland never forced him to?

"i remember when he teleported the party he had to cast and shoot those beams up."

Was talking about desert palace, TP'in your self and other ppl = two different skills.

"Yes its powerful enough to destroy a planet, yet it couldn't break through Sephiroths TK, your not answering my question, how is Kuja going to break through it if Holy cant?"

HOLY WAS NOT AIMED AT SEPHY, it was aimed at meteor. Ok well cloud beat sephy in VII, yet the earth destroying "Holy" couldn't affect him. So are you also saying Cloud & Party>Holy? Please clarify.

"Yes but we can only say what we saw, we can't just assume that the planet blew up, the planet destruction is only the SURFACE, since thats the only thing we saw."

Finally you get my point for the most part. Why can't you accept the fact that Kuja MIGHT of annihilated terra, yo just can't accept it because your BIAS against Kuja. GET OVER IT!!!

"If theres NO storyline reason, Bugenhagen does NOT lie to the characters/player."

Thats like saying mini-game have no place in final fantasy, but they are AND have no part in the story line (for the most part)

"It doesn't matter, he stopped its movement and contained it period, making it unable to move, HOLY can destroy ANYTHING it judges evil, Bugenhagen stated that if it judged the planet evil, it would be the end of everything."

Soooo, Sephy -> Holy, Cloud and friends -> sephy = Cloud and co -> holy?

"I don't know what your even replying to here.. I really do feel like I'm arguing against a little kid"

Yeah, ppl that dont agree with you are kids and childish. Your will, your opinions and your "superior-ness" is NOT absolute.

"your counter-arguments are ridiculously weak, and alot of it doesn't even make sense"

LOL, your avoiding all my main points as though yours is all that matters,

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So if sephy so fast and so powerful why, oh why did he not use any of them to evade clouds ominislash. Sure he was supprised but he is a trained soldier and should know how to react, wheres his TK? Where is the lifestream killing cloud if its so fast?