Punisher vs Wolverine

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
C'mon man have you got any evidence to say he can smell gunpowder from 2blocks away or Pretzels from across the river? 😬

why should i have to backup a claim i didnt make?

The problem his senses are ignored time and time again.

who's?

Er you're OT people are saying his sense of smell is greater than DDs and therefore he should not get sneaked up on. Its not DD vs Wolverine.

barker

this thread was off-topic LONG before i entered it... and that includes you...

Originally posted by Sado22
REPORTED FOR EXCESSIVE SPAMMING AND TAKING UP SPACE 😠

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You've lost me *shrug*

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Has he shown the power of a milion exploding suns while not restraining himself?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ermmm he said if we fight, so he specifically meant unarmed combat? So when he pulled a gun on him it suddenly wasnt a fight anymore?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yes at that moment, but since there are numerous examples that contradict this we assume that Spiderman doesnt have faster reflexes. I hope you can understand this simple point.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
This contradicted by the fact that he was able to smell Blackheart in humanform and im still yet to see Wolverine smell substances at DDs range. So basically you still got nothin.

You're once again giving someone else the benefit of the doubt to rob Logan of his past feats. It's nonsense.

😂

"at DD's range"???? Oh man you've GOT TO BE FVCKING KIDDING ME!

He was able to pick up Cyber's scent in Madripoor while he was in the mountains overlooking the entire city. He was able to track the Native in the vast Canadian wilderness when Sabretooth admitted that he couldn't. DD's range? HA! I wasn't aware DD's range spanned over entire cities, or woods.

Absurd. Everytime I think you couldn't continue to write more ignorant posts you dumbfound me yet again.

I've got nothin? Oh yeah, except for not one but TWO instances where DD has flat out admitted that Wolverine as a superior sense of smell which is a longside more than the speculative bullshit you're crankin out.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Oh yeah what about this.

Wolverine can notice whatever people's eaten when he walks into a bar, etc?

I think I recall him saying something similar to that during his V2 when he had been depowered. He mentioned all the things he normally smelled, etc.

Yeah, there's an instance in V2 when he walks into a chamber and describes all the chemicals and materials that he recognizes while in there.

so how did he get hit by that plane then?
i've been away from this thread for a while (and couldn't care less) but it don't recall addressing the plane incident. i could be wrong though.

Originally posted by Raoul
why should i have to backup a claim i didnt make?

Anyway the point is that the range of Wolverines senses are not far enough to stop him from getiing sneaked up on.

Originally posted by Raoul

who's?

Wolverines

Originally posted by Raoul

barker

this thread was off-topic LONG before i entered it... and that includes you...

Well to an extent it was indirectely related to what I was talking about . It was just that im talking to you and you talking about DD bashing Wolverine over the head with a baton which is not relevant to the topic.

Originally posted by Sado22
so how did he get hit by that plane then?
i've been away from this thread for a while (and couldn't care less) but it don't recall addressing the plane incident. i could be wrong though.

He knew it was there but he didnt expect to get hit by an Alpha flight jet so he didnt duck, despite the fact that his senses will be able to tell him the proximity of the jet so he would know its dangerously close. His senses were ignored....again.

....and these guys are saying that it makes sense? 😱

Originally posted by Sado22
....and these guys are saying that it makes sense? 😱

Hell theres even one issue where Wolverine was being watched by three Atlanteans FOR MINUTES!!!! Wolverine was kicking the crap out Nitro having a long conversation and he didnt even know they were there. You know what I mean? The fact is he is horribly inconsistent.

Originally posted by jinzin
That's the thing. While I'm on th boat with Cresh that this particular instance was nothing more than Tony tossin out some hyperbole, you can't necessarily say that this proves anything that has to do with your argument. First and foremost because Sentry hasn't tried and failed. He's only ever attempted to reach the apex of his power twice, and he was stopped before he got there both times. You can't say that he's failed to do something he's tried.

I'm assuming that whatever he meant by it, it was an implied fair competition. Whether that meant both unarmed or armed, he admitted he would lose. And proved it anyways, he ended up in a stalemated position. He didn't make WS back down, WS wasn't there to fight him t begin with.

Yes, at that moment so he wasn't lying.
As Cresh pointed out, he was still coping, like he does every time they fight. He always accredits Peter as being the physically superior between the two when it comes to strength AND speed.

So you know for a fact that it would be as easy or as hard to pick out Blackheart in human form from a 616 character who's been infested with their doppleganger?
Oh that's right you don't because that's never been stated as a fact ANYWHERE... EVER!

You're once again giving someone else the benefit of the doubt to rob Logan of his past feats. It's nonsense.

😂

"at DD's range"???? Oh man you've GOT TO BE FVCKING KIDDING ME!

He was able to pick up Cyber's scent in Madripoor while he was in the mountains overlooking the entire city. He was able to track the Native in the vast Canadian wilderness when Sabretooth admitted that he couldn't. DD's range? HA! I wasn't aware DD's range spanned over entire cities, or woods.

Absurd. Everytime I think you couldn't continue to write more ignorant posts you dumbfound me yet again.

I've got nothin? Oh yeah, except for not one but TWO instances where DD has flat out admitted that Wolverine as a superior sense of smell which is a longside more than the speculative bullshit you're crankin out.
What about it? It doesn't prove anything in THIS thread other than that you constantly grasp at straws.

Ok then his senses are greater than DD but despite the fact writers dont show his senses to be that powerful. Hell he can smell Cyber from the montains but he couldnt smell Deadpool from across the street in the latest Wolverine issue.

As for the rest of the post im not going to bother responding to it.

and he even got sniped by cyclops from pretty close by 😆

Originally posted by Sado22
and he even got sniped by cyclops from pretty close by 😆

Well his sense of smell was messed up but his hearing was not, but yeah Wolverine can hear people 100s of yards I away but cant hear Cyclops several meters behind him.

*shrug*

....but its PIS when he gets sniped nod

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

As for the rest of the post I can't respond to a poster with an IQ several standard deviations above mine, so I'm gonna ignore it.

Fixed.

first of all: Cyclops is a MASTER tactician, who used the danger room to mess with logan's senses. stop using it like its some sort of low showing for logan.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Anyway the point is that the range of Wolverines senses are not far enough to stop him from getiing sneaked up on.

they are... thats the point that people seem gto be missing... just because he (supposedly) doesnt hear someone 2 blocks away doesnt mean he wont hear someone one block away...

Well to an extent it was indirectely related to what I was talking about . It was just that im talking to you and you talking about DD bashing Wolverine over the head with a baton which is not relevant to the topic.

it was an example. 😐

Originally posted by Raoul
first of all: Cyclops is a MASTER tactician, who used the danger room to mess with logan's senses. stop using it like its some sort of low showing for logan.

I could be wrong but the panel says that his sense of small was messed up not his hearing. Please clarify for me that his sense of hearing was messed up.

Originally posted by Raoul

they are... thats the point that people seem gto be missing... just because he (supposedly) doesnt hear someone 2 blocks away doesnt mean he wont hear someone one block away...

Im not missing anything, ive posted scans to show that regardless of how well his senses are supposed to be he can still be got at. These examples

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
[B] Wolverines brilliant senses

1. Getting shot by Bucky. Yes he was wearing ink but ink gives off a scent.
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3328/buckyshotsku5.jpg

2. Getting shot by Punisher
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1659/punisherwarjournal00712kv2.jpg

3. Getting missle launched by the Punisher. So what is its Einnis hes been shot on other ocassions sans Einnis.
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/9973/thepunisherv435confederjf6.jpg

4. Not being able to sense Cyclops with his hearing. Jinzin said that Wolverine can detect people breaking into a factory but cant hear Cyclops several meters away.

http://pics.livejournal.com/wal_lace/pic/0004e4fp

5. Not being able to detect Wonder Man. You said he can see bullets in slow motion and dodge lasers with ease and has a more heightened sense of smell than Daredevil.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3192/wolverinehits10qj.gif

No Frank Castle doesnt move that fast but he does have a missle launcher.

6. Hell heres another one these people were watching Wolverine and he didnt even notice, until the guy said his name....hell I found this by accident what happened to his heigtned sense of hearing and smell. THE GUY WAS RIGHT BEHIND HIM BUT WOLVERINE DIDNT DETECT HIM UNTIL HE SAID HIS NAME!!!!!!

http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine44006dk3.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine44010ac0.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine44011gc2.jpg

7. Doesnt even know that Namor was behind him.

http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45007gm3.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45008wd9.jpg

and before you start telling me that Namor is faster than Frank, the point is that Wolverine allowed him to finish saying "Imperiex", hell if I can see bullets in slow motion I can damn well react before somebody finishes saying Imperiex.

8. Puck with the jet. Hell that jet isnt even moving at half the speed of sound. Furthermore Wolverine has been able to detect his scent before, because Wolverine was able to detect his scent in a crowded city.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF34-18.jpg

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Hell heres another one he didnt even know DP was there until he actually looked at him.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WO_21_DCP_0005.jpg

If he has a great sense of smell he should have been able to recognise his scent in the nearby vicnity.

Originally posted by Sado22
so how did he get hit by that plane then?
i've been away from this thread for a while (and couldn't care less) but it don't recall addressing the plane incident. i could be wrong though.

I've given you several reasons for why already, I don't think I'd be doing anything but waisting my time if I explain it to you again.

I could just say it's a low showing, given that there are more showings where Wolverine's senses pick up on jet fighters, the Blackbird, and hellicopters as opposed to that ONE we can just ignore it... Kinda like you're ignoring every bit of explanation I've given you.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Hell theres even one issue where Wolverine was being watched by three Atlanteans FOR MINUTES!!!! Wolverine was kicking the crap out Nitro having a long conversation and he didnt even know they were there. You know what I mean? The fact is he is horribly inconsistent.

I'm sorry; you proved that Atlanteans have a human scent somewhere I missed?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok then his senses are greater than DD but despite the fact writers dont show his senses to be that powerful. Hell he can smell Cyber from the montains but he couldnt smell Deadpool from across the street in the latest Wolverine issue.

As for the rest of the post im not going to bother responding to it.

Whatever.

In Alf's defense (kinda), I too see Wolverine's senses portrayed quite inconsistently from comic to comic.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I could be wrong but the panel says that his sense of small was messed up not his hearing. Please clarify for me that his sense of hearing was messed up.

Im not missing anything, ive posted scans to show that regardless of how well his senses are supposed to be he can still be got at. These examples

Repeatidly posting up a bunch of incorrect examples does not make you right. I already showed you how you where wrong here. The Atlantean example is the only one free of circumstance, and that's onl IF they have a human scent.