Punisher vs Wolverine

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It slows him down. Unless you have a scan of his schlong being blown off and he doesn't notice? He seemed to notice in New Avengers. I'm asking an honest question.

Umm he didn't even getslowed down in New Avengers.. I mean sure he sat for a bit after the fight was over, but during the confrontation he totally ignored it.
There's multiple examples of him taking worse without being hindered as well.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Umm. That would be a win per forum rules. He had his lower half of his body blown off and he was helpless until he healed.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
When did this happen? It'd be a lot more helpful posting scans or at least comic issues, because I've read Punisher and I don't remember this happening. Would certainly help to justify your position a bit more.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If you don't think Punisher could lay a nearly inescapable killzone inside a warehouse for Wolverine, you need to brush up on your imagination. Or start reading some Punisher.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I mean... EVERY other Marvel Max Punisher issue details his killzone creation capabilities. Warehouse, hotel, house, desert, nuclear silo, front lawn, backyard... I mean... that's how he does what he does. Tell me how many prepped ambushes an unprepared Wolverine has defused that were set up by someone on the Punisher's level and I might start taking your position more seriously.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Punisher pulling a majority can't be based off of Ennis' work? Absolutely it could. Based off of Loeb's work, Millar's work, Way's work and Bendis' work as well, while you're at it just to name a few examples. Nothing like living in the present.

Coming from someone telling me I should bone up on Punisher.... if you think that a guy who has Punisher written in a way that DD's hightened hearing and radar sense, Spidey's spider sense, Wolverine's enhanced senses, and Hulk's healing factor can't cope with Punisher while he's running around on the fly then you're far beyond my help.

Ennis is far from the definitive writer for these other characters and everyone with half a brain in their head knows it.

The definitive Punisher isn't taking a majority from the definitive Wolverine, hour of prep or not.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't know where the idea came from. And I haven't found any admission on my Internet search. Don't expect to find a statement like that anyway. Something like that would be career suicide in the comics industry.

He wanted to do more realistic characters, and thus played down "superheroes"... it might be career suicide if he didn't have a name and marvel wasn't trying to push Pun's max title with a more realistic edge.

It's also common knowledge that he plays down characters in guest appearances to start feuds with other writers for fun.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ennis has written the Authority, Midnighter, Batman, Darkness... among others. All of which are superhero titles. He certainly doesn't write Daredevil down. Most people who complain about him appear to be Wolverine fanboys trying to twist his otherwise largely popular writing into something that it's not.

Okay, I guess Spiderman's spider sense, Wolverine's enhanced senses, AND DD's radar sense are all NOTHING when compared to the Punisher.. 🙄

whoa....battlehammer, that's some long posts...Im gonna read them now 🙂

Originally posted by Master-Borg
whoa....battlehammer, that's some long posts...Im gonna read them now 🙂

enjoy. It took my few hours to accomplish.

Originally posted by jinzin
Umm he didn't even getslowed down in New Avengers.. I mean sure he sat for a bit after the fight was over, but during the confrontation he totally ignored it.
There's multiple examples of him taking worse without being hindered as well.

Wasn't arguing that...I was arguing against it being used as an example of a legitimate fight between the two as well as ignoring the points that led up to the end
result.

I didn't think I had to seeing how Battlehammer has posted up the issue numbers about several times now.

This is where Wolverine's Weapon X, secret agent, assassin, ninja, x-men training comes in...
Regardless of Punishers "killzones" being up against the argument of what Wolverine's healing factor can and can't take.. what my "imagination" is having a hard time doing is legitimately saying that Wolverine would just walk into it.. You're talking about a man who's snuck his way into the X-mansion, SHIELD hellicarriers, The White House, and the Baxter Building just to name a few.. But he can't handle a werehouse set-up by the Pun with only an hr to work with?

Well lets see.
Wolverine has effectively turned the tide on ambushes set up by:
Sabretooth
Arcade
Zartan
and Bucky just off the top of my head.

Coming from someone telling me I should bone up on Punisher.... if you think that a guy who has Punisher written in a way that DD's hightened hearing and radar sense, Spidey's spider sense, Wolverine's enhanced senses, and Hulk's healing factor can't cope with Punisher while he's running around on the fly then you're far beyond my help.

Ennis is far from the definitive writer for these other characters and everyone with half a brain in their head knows it.

The definitive Punisher isn't taking a majority from the definitive Wolverine, hour of prep or not.

And yet he's flat out stated the admission.
It's not surprising that you're havinga hard time finding articles on the subject seeing how it was an issue over 4 years ago... 😐

He wanted to do more realistic characters, and thus played down "superheroes"... it might be career suicide if he didn't have a name and marvel wasn't trying to push Pun's max title with a more realistic edge.

It's also common knowledge that he plays down characters in guest appearances to start feuds with other writers for fun.

Okay, I guess Spiderman's spider sense, Wolverine's enhanced senses, AND DD's radar sense are all NOTHING when compared to the Punisher.. 🙄

Because you took the time to write out a lot, I'm going to indulge you by addressing your last post. But next time... 4 posts in a row? Not conducive to debating at all. I had to split up my response to you in two posts which even I am loathe to do. It looks like spamming.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I keep reading members of this board who are declaring that Punisher wins 6/10 or 8/10 and even 10/10 though I find there reasoning to be off.

-First reason I have heard is due to Punisher being granted an hour of Prep time.
I find it rather faulty logic to assume one wins simply due to prep time. Punisher is no Batman intellectually nor does he have close to the resources that Batman can accesses. Just because one is given prep does not mean they will win. People are forgetting the fact that Punisher since his Civil War arc has had almost all if not all of his armory destroyed. His secret bases were found by shield and the weapons were removed. Others were destroyed with the alien invasion...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
-Then there is the fact that the arms Punisher would be able to gather are not more often then not able to put Logan down for the KO. Logan is not going to be put down by bullets unless some how they enter his brain and rip it apart. The odds of a bullet entering through the eye like it did while Logan is only facing the Punisher are extremely low. People are assuming Logan’s healing factor was down graded far below what it actually was. In Wolverine 61 Logan stated his healing factor had “not been this weak in years”. He said years which are some were between 2-9 years. However this upgrade occurred over a decade ago meaning his healing factor is of at least this level
http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boneclawwolverinebc7ex0.jpg

Originally posted by Battlehammer
-Now another thing people seem to ignore is the fact that Logan knows that he is going to face Punisher. He will suspect traps and being a trained Special Opt, spy, secret agent and so on he would know of the traps well before they were set. He has enter the Baxter building, Avengers, many military bases with out triggering an alarm he not going to fall for something Punisher creates in an hour. That not even adding in the fact Logan senses would pick up on any trap Punisher attempted to set. Not to mention the fact Logan would know the location of Punisher in the warehouse while Punisher can not say the same.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
-Another reason I can not understand why people assume Punisher wins due to “1 hour of prep” time is, because they seem to simply assume that Punisher will somehow remain hidden and unseen, but Wolverine will be walking around like a moron. That Punisher will somehow know were Wolverine is at every moment, but Wolverine will not be able to know the location Punisher will be in.. This baffles me greatly. Logan senses allow him to track down mystique in 8 haft hours who could be any were in the world
http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinegoesafterfm2.jpg
http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=findsherof5.jpg
and somehow not be able to locate Punisher who in a warehouse... What also does not make senses with that train of thought is the fact that Logan is far more stealthy then Punisher. Logan would have a far larger chance of ambushing Punisher then vice versa. Logan has been able to sneak up unnoticed by individuals like Daredevil, Ferral, Sabertooth, ect. All of the fallowing have superhuman senses and would be far harder to ambush then Punisher.

Look at my next post for the rest of my response.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
The next argument I see constantly used in this thread for a reason why Punisher wins is the scan below
http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolveriencheapshottedze0.jpg

I still do not understand how this scan is irrelevant to Punisher beating Wolverine. I mean is Punisher all of a sudden going to have Logan out number and surrounded by mutant villains that have members within there ranks that are many times more powerful then himself to distract him with? Is Punisher some how going to have the power to make Logan start distracting himself by shouting orders? Is Punisher some how going to gain the power of superhuman accuracy to boot?

If Punisher can not achieve all three of those things, then the scan is completely irrelevant

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Here Logan catches a bullet shot from a sniper rifle.
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolbulletnd9qi6cu5.jpg

Here another feat
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine34kf0ef9.jpg

Logan sensing a gun shot.
http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine64ly4.jpg

Logan sensing Living Lightning who a good deal faster then a bullet before he attacks.
http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinespeedfeatgf6.jpg.

And this theory that Wolverine can sense bullets before they're fired. I know you're not seriously arguing that he has precognitive abilities or radar sense. You're probably thinking of guys like Batman or Cap who usually sense a gun being drawn on them before being fired. That draws on instinct, experience and awareness. I'm sure you would agree that Cap's one of the best at this kind of feat? Especially when not having heightened senses at all? Cap did it in 'Death of Captain America' and DOZENS of other times. But do you want to hear of an instance where Captain America was sniped unawares and nearly died? Want to guess who did it? Read 'Blood and Glory,' a 90's Punisher/Cap crossover where Punisher snipes Cap in Washington DC because he thought he was dirty.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
The final most used argument for Punisher winning the majority over Wolverine is that issue written by Ennis in which Wolverine, Daredevil and Spiderman attempt to track down and catch Punisher. There so many things that baffles me when people use this argument as evidences for Punisher winning.

-The first thing that baffles me is the fact some one actual thinks this is good evidence and that it accurately portrays Spiderman, Wolverine and Daredevil through out the arc.
-I mean did not any one notice how Logan’s and Spiderman’s intellect was portrayed to be that of a person with well below average intellect.
-Then there is the fact that powers were ignore constantly through out the arc. Example was Spiderman’s Spider sense, Wolverines superhuman senses and Daredevil radar and superhuman senses. They were looking for Punisher and yet none of them could sense him when he was 20 feet away.

The arc was simply PIS and some of the worst writing I have ever seen and it saddens me someone would try and use it as evidence.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
-The next Part the baffles me as using it for evidence of Punisher beating Wolverine is the fact that Logan was never KO or beaten by Punisher.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
-The last part of this argument for Punisher winning, due to that single arc is the fact it not even cannon any more.

-In Wolverine 186 it states that Punisher and Wolverines “last encounter ended with the mutant crushed under a steam roller”. This issue came out after the issue in which Spiderman, Wolverine and Daredevil try and capture Punisher. This means that the issue in which Wolverine, Daredevil, Spiderman try and catch Punisher has been reconnt not to have taken place.

So the last and most used argument by individuals who feel that Punisher wins was reconnt not to have taken place which means it never actually happen, meaning it not useable as evidence.

Punisher with 1 hour prep 6/10.

EDIT: I'lll let these two posts sink in before I repsond to jinzin's. Looks too much like spam and indeed, I've already addressed most of jinzin's points anyway. But I'd still like to know where Ennis was specifically quoted as "Hating superheroes."

good job onedumbgo! 🙂

~Sado

Wolverine fan logic: Wolverine has good showings therefore this negates the bad ones.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It slows him down. Unless you have a scan of his schlong being blown off and he doesn't notice? He seemed to notice in New Avengers. I'm asking an honest question.

People are also forgetting that Wolverines HF is currently reduced so refering to cases were his HF wasnt doesnt prove anything. If a shot to the head can down Wolverine, getting his nuts blown off will as will.
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If a shot to the head can down Wolverine, getting his nuts blown off will as will.

honestly i've yet to come across a logical point made by rampant fanboys. apart from the writer not knowing wolverine (which is retarded) i've heard stuff that makes wolverine look like mother1 from bionic6. how the f--k does he see bullets coming.......and STILL get shot in the head?
seriously.
to make it worse we get to see scans where nothing is being proven.....or we get better proof that these morons don't even know what they're posting. am i the only one who noticed that wovlerine picked up the scent BECAUSE of the wind?

Frank Castle wins. 9/10. 7/10 on a bad day.

~Sado

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If you're referring to exotic weaponry? Then you might have a point. I don't think he has the Fists of Doom anymore. But since I don't think we're arguing about exotic weapons here anyway as nobody has brought up Punisher's access to SHIELD or Stark tech for his advantages, your point's moot.

-Punisher does not have access to SHIELD and only had a few of there guns for roughly an issue.

-Punisher does not have accesses to Starch Tech and his partner blow up the base containing it during the alien invasion.

So you are mistaken my point is not moot though your however is.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And if you doubt that he doesn't have more conventional arms available, you'd be plain wrong as you can see from recent issues of Punisher War Journal. He still has warehouses and stashes full of armaments like the multiple rocket launcher he used to nearly kill Rhino.

I find it funny that you think issue 4 of war journal is a new issue and referencing it as if it was.

So no he really does not have those warehouses any more.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That's a ridiculous assumption and baseless. Years = 2-9 years?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
By your logic, it's just as easily arguable that he could be referring to the time just after Magneto pulled out his adamantium and his healing was in a funk

Like I said my assessment was the logical one.
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He'd know there were traps, but he's been ambushed before.

Logan being ambushed period with his known is very rare and not something Punisher could achieve in a forum battle. Logan would have far better chance ambushing Punisher then vice versa.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And Wolverine teleported into the Baxter Building. Just to remind you also, the security detected him and he was slapped silly by the FF and would have been contained were it not for HYDRA's teleportation.

So next time you try and give this superior attitude about an issue I own, you should read it first so you don’t spit out incorrect events.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He snuck into Avenger's Tower... like Spiderwoman did a few issues earlier. Yay for the copycat.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
How would his senses detect an odorless claymore?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Or god forbid, a claymore in a warehouse that has had several smoke grenades strewn about to mask their scent during the 1 hour of prep?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm sure you've read of limitations of Wolverine's sense of smell in smoke or in a jungle, such as in 'Messiah Complex' or 'New Avengers.'

You are referring to X-Men Messiah Complex issue 1. Again misrepresenting what had occurred, seems to be quite the pattern with you. It was not the smoke that did any thing. It was a hospital that was blown to hell. Logan stated that the chemicals from the room were in the smoke making it difficult to discern what had happen. Even with that covering the smell if not mistaken Logan was still was able to tell them that the baby escaped.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wolverine does not have x-ray vision. He'd more likely rely on his hearing and smell.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The former taken care of through defensive noise filters or offensive noise emitters...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
or just a crapload of random explosions for the sole purpose of distraction.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your scans of him locating Mystique do not showcase his senses at all. It most likely showcases his connections in the underworld/SHIELD and detective abilities.

Actually it was, Logan used his senses to find her.

Showcase his underworld connection? Is that seriously your responses?

First of all why would Logan have connections in Iran? Not to mention almost every one of his connections are dead. Plus Logan’s not part of the underworld any more, most of them that are left want him dead. As for SHIELD are you kidding me? Logan’s wanted by the government, and is one of the most wanted people by SHIELD.

Then on top of that how the hell is any one going to aid Wolverine in finding her? She a shaped shifter, unless you have superhuman senses of a very high degree and already know her scent there would be no way for you to tell it was her.
He used his senses to find her, though your attempts to try and say other wise were amusing. Also the issue is Wolverine 62. No were in the arc did it imply that he used any type of connections to find her. He used his senses which any one can see from reading the issue.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Don't be so single-minded. You know as well as we do that the scan proves that Wolverine being distracted makes him vulnerable to being sniped. And you can't think of a single way Punisher could distract Wolverine in a prepped warehouse? Remote detonated claymores? Trip wires? Flash bangs? Robot controlled rifles?

No I really don’t see how Punisher with an hour of prep can distract Wolverine in such a way as to gain the ability to take the majority.

It has nothing to do with single minded. I like my arguments no to be reaching and unlikely to come about. You have through out the debate have given Punisher much more credit then he deserves. You for some odd reason think within an hour he can get anything that he needs, but in reality that’s not the case. The time limited completely restricts the items he will be able to lay his hands on. It also restricts how well he able to set up the warehouse. All of which you seem to ignore and act as if it some unlimited amount of time.

Actual again you misrepresent the event. The scan is not showing that simply distracting Logan will allow you to snipe him. Logan’s not being distracted by items, but people and that’s a massive differences. Logan was fighting other combatants that were many times more powerful then himself and he was shouting order. These two distractions Punisher can not mimic because he does not have a team of men for Logan to lead nor a group of powerful mutants for him to battle.

None of the distraction you listed above comes close to mimicking what had actually occurred.

Remote detonated claymores? That he could get in an hour with out any armory to go to? No likely, it very unlikely actually, not to mention the time it takes to set up. Trip wire…….come on. Logan would notice that it seconds. The dude has more military experiences, tactics, training then Punisher does. If you truly believe that a trip wire would catch Wolverine then this debate is pointless, because you clearly are ignorant of his abilities or simply allow your bias to over come good judgment. Punisher would be hard press to get flash bangs with in an hour. Not to mention has Punisher ever been shown to use them more then twice? I doubtful he would think to get them. Also a Flash Bang would be more damaging to Punisher then vice versa. Logan’s healing factor would heal the nerve damage well before Punisher recovered.

Robot controlled rifles are you serous? His armories are depleted. Even if not depleted there no way he could get Robot controlled rifles within an hour. Now you’re just completely ignoring the time restraint.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Not hard to think of Punisher blowing up half the damn warehouse only to flush Wolverine into a brightly lit section of the warehouse where he snipes him.

Also there’s always the chance Logan could stay out side the warehouse and simply way for Punisher to come out which is about as likely as Punisher blowing up haft the warehouse, which is very unlikely.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And you want to talk about accuracy? Punisher shot off Spiderman's webshooters while he was in mid-leap.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Punisher's accuracy is second only to maybe Bullseye's.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The scan is absolutely relevant in showing that a single gunshot to the eye puts Wolverine down.

It is really not that relevant. A gun shot to the eye is not going to KO Wolverine. The shot would need to travel into the brain and bounces around his skull, which is very unlikely from happening. There’s also the factor that scupthunter has superhuman accuracy and the fact he had distractions that Punisher can replicate. So no, it really not relevant.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
First scan occurs where Wolverine isn't distracted. Second scan only shows Wolverine's ability to block bullets with his claws after seeing where the shooter is. Third scan shows another undistracted Wolverine who used the downwind scent to detect an attacker. Pretty much all irrelevant to your above points. Your last scan doesn't work.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And this theory that Wolverine can sense bullets before they're fired. I know you're not seriously arguing that he has precognitive abilities or radar sense.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're probably thinking of guys like Batman or Cap who usually sense a gun being drawn on them before being fired. That draws on instinct, experience and awareness. I'm sure you would agree that Cap's one of the best at this kind of feat?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Especially when not having heightened senses at all? Cap did it in 'Death of Captain America' and DOZENS of other times. But do you want to hear of an instance where Captain America was sniped unawares and nearly died? Want to guess who did it? Read 'Blood and Glory,' a 90's Punisher/Cap crossover where Punisher snipes Cap in Washington DC because he thought he was dirty.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
More of the same, we've already explained to you how Ennis actually acknowledges their powers and how Punisher's resourcefulness, unpredictability, use of distractions and turning them against each other explains his good showings throughout the arc.

Actually you did not at all. Sado tried and ended up contradicting himself.

Really he acknowledge them? Really you truly believe that? Becuases if you do would you mind explain how punisher who only 20 feet up from Wolverine, Daredevil and Spiderman did not get sensed? Becuases both Wolverine and Daredevil know his smell and heart beat. He should have been notice with in seconds. Spidermans spider senses should have gone off and yet none of it did. Just showing how PIS the issue was. Further more Logan drank acid. A man with superhuman senses drank acid.
That’s just some of the PIS that was the core of the arc.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Steam rolled? Legs blown off by rocket launcher? Are you kidding me? Just because you don't think Punisher shouldn't win is no excuse for memory lapses. Those are wins by KMC rules.

There’s nothing faulty about my memory, but yours on the other hand could use some work.

There was no steam roller in the issue I was referring to, so wrong again.
Actually Logan’s legs can’t be blown off due to adamtium and it was his stomach, so wrong again.

Actually last time I checked blowing apart some ones stomach, but not KOing or even dropping them is not a win by KMC rules, so wrong again.

You tell me I have a faulty memory and then prove your ignorance by inaccurately stating what had occurred. That’s amusing.

First off, you're using the introduction to a comic as proof of a retcon? Now you're really reaching. Second, and more importantly: Tieri's laughably bad Wolverine #186 issue came out in April 2003. Ennis' 'Confederacy of Dunces' stroyline was published at the end of 2003 running into 2004. So do me a favor, go check the publication dates first. I'm pretty sure you have it completely mixed up. If you do find your error, we won't have to engage in some silly debate about how introduction pages or editor mistakes don't automatically equal full-scale retcon. [/B][/QUOTE]
Wow I was wrong. Weird.

Also any thing stated in the bio is still as usable as anything in the rest of the comic.

I love how you saying wolverine 186 is laughable and then have the nerve to think ennis run was fantastic writing lol.

Originally posted by Sado22
am i the only one who noticed that wovlerine picked up the scent BECAUSE of the wind?

Frank Castle wins. 9/10. 7/10 on a bad day.

~Sado

😂 Yeah you are actually but I just read the scan again, are you refering to "Wind from our backs", anyway even if it wasnt for the wind hes been sniped many times. *shrug*

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Again the odds are awful. Logan would know Frank was there. Blowing up haft the warehouses would not cause wolverine to run to Frank and it rather ridiculous to assume he would. There’s also the fact that the explosion could very easily cause the entire building to cave in. There’s also the fact that Wolverine could be on his side of the warehouses and not the other. There also the fact that, it would take a lot of explosives to achieve this and given Frank lack of armories and fire power it seems unlikely.

Also there’s always the chance Logan could stay out side the warehouse and simply way for Punisher to come out which is about as likely as Punisher blowing up haft the warehouse, which is very unlikely.

baka doh Lets just give Wolverine the benefit of the doubt, eventhough hes been sniped before.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Wolverine fan logic: Wolverine has good showings therefore this negates the bad ones.

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
eople are also forgetting that Wolverines HF is currently reduced so refering to cases were his HF wasnt doesnt prove anything. If a shot to the head can down Wolverine, getting his nuts blown off will as will.
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It said years. Not decades not more then a decade simply years. so at most were talking 9 years. That still before Logans last major healing factor upgrade which means, logan healing factor is still very powerful.

I love how you use one showing as the norm and then pretend like were bias and your not when if you actually viewed your actions you realize your beeing far more bias.

also please don't attempt to down play, what happen. It when through logans eye and bounced around his skull. That would ripp holes in the brak, not to mention scuplthunter designed his bullets to kill no matter were they land. So it actaully a lot mroe damaging then you think.

Sorry, but not a chance. Having your nuts blown off is not more damaging to the body then having a bullet ripp through your brain and bounce inside your skull.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
😂 Yeah you are actually but I just read the scan again, are you refering to "Wind from our backs", anyway even if it wasnt for the wind hes been sniped many times. *shrug*

baka doh Lets just give Wolverine the benefit of the doubt, eventhough hes been sniped before.

Not unaware by some one he was tracking or fighting with.

so really it irelevent if he been hit before since the situations are not similar.

you can make all the little smily faces you wan't does not change the fact I am very on base with my assessment.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Or better yet how about we uses Punisher fan logic. We take any low showing of his opponet and use it as the norm, while we take any high showign of punisher and use it as the norm, that seems fair. 🙄

Its not a low showing if his opponent has a losing track record. If you get 3/10 in spelling on regular basis, its not a low showing its normal. Thats the simple concept you cant understand.

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Originally posted by Battlehammer

Funny thing is were not though you my friend think it has dropped far further then it had.

It said years. Not decades not more then a decade simply years. so at most were talking 9 years. That still before Logans last major healing factor upgrade which means, logan healing factor is still very powerful.

How the hell do you know its only 9 years????? At any rate he still got dropped by a bullet to they head.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

I love how you use one showing as the norm and then pretend like were bias and your not when if you actually viewed your actions you realize your beeing far more bias.

Hey, dont you dare accuse me of bias, ok?????

1. I just admiited in Cap vs Wolverine that Wolverine beating Cap was not PIS, but I think its a low showing.

2. I defended Wolverine vs Deadpool in the MA ranking thread.

3. I defended Wolverine when people say that he cant beat people like Hercules.

4. Hell I even try to be polite to certain posters and they turn around and insult me.

It just sums you Wolverine fanboys even when I try to be civil or give Wolverine the benefit of the doubt I still get insulted anything that I do that contradicts your beliefs in Wolverine means bias, your incapable of looking at things from any point of view but your own.

The only reason why I say I hate Wolverine is because of people like you. Hell Sado hates Wolverine now, congratulations.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

also please don't attempt to down play, what happen. It when through logans eye and bounced around his skull. That would ripp holes in the brak, not to mention scuplthunter designed his bullets to kill no matter were they land. So it actaully a lot mroe damaging then you think.

Well first of all I thought Jinzin showed a scan showing that its not possible for that to happen. Even if that was the case the whole point is that prior to the reduction he could have taken that **** and kept going.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Sorry, but not a chance. Having your nuts blown off is not more damaging to the body then having a bullet ripp through your brain and bounce inside your skull.

Whats worse the American Indian holocaust or the transatlantic slave trade? I dunno man maybe one was worse than the other but im not going to start debating about the fine details, because their both very very very bad.

What so were gonna get into a debate about the fine details of getting your nuts blown off...... **** 😆

Again the odds are awful. Logan would know Frank was there. Blowing up haft the warehouses would not cause wolverine to run to Frank and it rather ridiculous to assume he would. There’s also the fact that the explosion could very easily cause the entire building to cave in. There’s also the fact that Wolverine could be on his side of the warehouses and not the other. There also the fact that, it would take a lot of explosives to achieve this and given Frank lack of armories and fire power it seems unlikely.

Also there’s always the chance Logan could stay out side the warehouse and simply way for Punisher to come out which is about as likely as Punisher blowing up haft the warehouse, which is very unlikely.

Hey, dont you dare accuse me of bias, ok?????

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
translation:
"my name is battlehammer and watch me pull the dumbest shite out of my ass"

hey watch out phantom zone, he just might pull out his claws and stop taking a bath

~Sado
P.S. keep an uzi with you so you can shoot him in the nuts
P.S.S. he can be sniped....his mommy just wouldn't let anyone tell him that yet 🙂

any time you wish to bring it to the battle zone I love to make you eat your words

and you can drop the on-line clint eastwood act, pal. no one is impressed.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
you feel that numbing sensation on your ass? yeah that was me when i kicked it so hard that you stopped posting for a few days 😄

and you can drop the on-line clint eastwood act, pal. no one is impressed.

~Sado

No ones ment to be impressed. I was challanging you to the battle zone.