Punisher vs Wolverine

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Its not a low showing if his opponent has a losing track record. If you get 3/10 in spelling on regular basis, its not a low showing its normal. Thats the simple concept you cant understand.

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
How the hell do you know its only 9 years?????

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
At any rate he still got dropped by a bullet to they head.

I find it amusing that you assume this is the norm.

Then pretend to me your not bias.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Hey, dont you dare accuse me of bias, ok?????

1. I just admiited in Cap vs Wolverine that Wolverine beating Cap was not PIS, but I think its a low showing.

2. I defended Wolverine vs Deadpool in the MA ranking thread.

3. I defended Wolverine when people say that he cant beat people like Hercules.

4. Hell I even try to be polite to certain posters and they turn around and insult me.

Please don’t kid yoru self. You are bias. You can sit here and preach to me how uve done this and that, but for all those times you have hated on him as well. Actually you have hated on him far more times then defended.

It may be an insult to you, but it a fact and your just as insulting.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
It just sums you Wolverine fanboys even when I try to be civil or give Wolverine the benefit of the doubt I still get insulted anything that I do that contradicts your beliefs in Wolverine means bias, your incapable of looking at things from any point of view but your own.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The only reason why I say I hate Wolverine is because of people like you. Hell Sado hates Wolverine now, congratulations.

Please keep him. I glad he hates wolverine he do more damage then good defending him.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well first of all I thought Jinzin showed a scan showing that its not possible for that to happen. Even if that was the case the whole point is that prior to the reduction he could have taken that **** and kept going.

Yes he could have not that it really matters since he can still take pretty much whatever dished out to him.

One of sculpthunters bullets to night crawlers shoulder almost killed him and night crawler is still not fully recovered. Logan took one through the eye into the brain and then it bounced around the skull.

That’s a lot of fing damage.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Whats worse the American Indian holocaust or the transatlantic slave trade? I dunno man maybe one was worse than the other but im not going to start debating about the fine details, because their both very very very bad.

What so were gonna get into a debate about the fine details of getting your nuts blown off...... **** 😆

American Indian never suffered a true holocaust it was mostly due to diseases.

Who said were debating it? Shot to the nuts may hurt a lot, but damage wise it just not the same. Logan could take a shot shot and keep going. Having his brain blasted wholes through will effect the function of the body.

By the way Logan was up by the next page.

forget it.

battlezone...?
right 😄

Originally posted by Sado22
battlezone...?
right 😄

Is that a challenge? 😱

well I challanged him so he need to accept.

Originally posted by Sado22
hysterical

honestly i've yet to come across a logical point made by rampant fanboys. apart from the writer not knowing wolverine (which is retarded) i've heard stuff that makes wolverine look like mother1 from bionic6. how the f--k does he see bullets coming.......and STILL get shot in the head?
seriously.
to make it worse we get to see scans where nothing is being proven.....or we get better proof that these morons don't even know what they're posting. am i the only one who noticed that wovlerine picked up the scent BECAUSE of the wind?

Frank Castle wins. 9/10. 7/10 on a bad day.

~Sado

Kind of a stupid question. Unless you have some sort of spider sense or radar sense to apply to your experience in fighting, then the only other thing you might have going for you is a little bit of luck.

Look, even though I've been a practicioner of martial arts for a decade (4 of those years being under intense training), when it comes down to sparring I still get hit by punches I can see coming... Wolverine's not perfect... But I think he's pretty objectively proven he's fast enough and good enough to avoid bullets if that's all he has to worry about.

I mean if you look at the sheer volume of times Wolverine's been able to avoid being shot compared to the times he's gone down to bullets there's a massive uneven ratio between the two, and it's not in Castle's favor.

I realized something, it is extremely hard to debate a match that involves one sided prep. Because everyone has there own opinion on how long something could take to accomplish. Many do not even add in the fact that it takes time for the hero or villain to get to there base and even more time to grab there weapons and other objects for battle. Others for get to add in the amount of time it would take to set up the area with the items they had gotten from there base. Others assume it would take mere seconds when in reality it would take several minutes if not longer. Others simply assume characters have all there equipment they usually have to accesses, but forget that at times that characters weaponries can be wide clean in there current run which will greatly effect the weapons they can get there hands on and the amount of them. Everyone always assumes there opinion on the matter is the correct one which makes the debate be a endless cycle of the most stubborn of the lot.

Originally posted by jinzin
Kind of a stupid question. Unless you have some sort of spider sense or radar sense to apply to your experience in fighting, then the only other thing you might have going for you is a little bit of luck.

Look, even though I've been a practicioner of martial arts for a decade (4 of those years being under intense training), when it comes down to sparring I still get hit by punches I can see coming... Wolverine's not perfect... But I think he's pretty objectively proven he's fast enough and good enough to avoid bullets if that's all he has to worry about.

I mean if you look at the sheer volume of times Wolverine's been able to avoid being shot compared to the times he's gone down to bullets there's a massive uneven ratio between the two, and it's not in Castle's favor.

Also they be hard press to find a time in which Logan attempts to dodge bullets and fails.

Also the times they are refferring to Logan was surrounded and fighting extremely powerful mutants. They assume that becuese Logan new sculpthunter was there means he new sculphunter was to fire at him when he him self has far more pressing matters like an omega mutant/powerful alpha mutants and a team to lead.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I realized something, it is extremely hard to debate a match that involves one sided prep. Because everyone has there own opinion on how long something could take to accomplish. Many do not even add in the fact that it takes time for the hero or villain to get to there base and even more time to grab there weapons and other objects for battle. Others for get to add in the amount of time it would take to set up the area with the items they had gotten from there base. Others assume it would take mere seconds when in reality it would take several minutes if not longer. Others simply assume characters have all there equipment they usually have to accesses, but forget that at times that characters weaponries can be wide clean in there current run which will greatly effect the weapons they can get there hands on and the amount of them. Everyone always assumes there opinion on the matter is the correct one which makes the debate be a endless cycle of the most stubborn of the lot.

I pretty much assumed threadmaker intended for Punisher to have his whole armory at his disposal...or else this thread would be rather pointless

everyone knows Logan OWNS Frank in hand 2 hand, so that would be pointless to debate.

that's why I think we have to assume Frank has his full equipment at his disposal for this scenario

Originally posted by Master-Borg
I pretty much assumed threadmaker intended for Punisher to have his whole armory at his disposal...or else this thread would be rather pointless

everyone knows Logan OWNS Frank in hand 2 hand, so that would be pointless to debate.

that's why I think we have to assume Frank has his full equipment at his disposal for this scenario

Yes current Frank has his full armory at his disposal, but current Punishers bases were destroy or simply taken over by shield during the current arc. Which means he not able to get at heavy fire power in the allowed time or bombs and other items.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
I pretty much assumed threadmaker intended for Punisher to have his whole armory at his disposal...or else this thread would be rather pointless

everyone knows Logan OWNS Frank in hand 2 hand, so that would be pointless to debate.

that's why I think we have to assume Frank has his full equipment at his disposal for this scenario

Of course.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yes current Frank has his full armory at his disposal, but current Punishers bases were destroy or simply taken over by shield during the current arc. Which means he not able to get at heavy fire power in the allowed time or bombs and other items.

Give me strength......

P.S. He may ahve dodged bullets from other people not not from Frank.

Kind of a stupid question. Unless you have some sort of spider sense or radar sense to apply to your experience in fighting, then the only other thing you might have going for you is a little bit of luck.

Look, even though I've been a practicioner of martial arts for a decade (4 of those years being under intense training), when it comes down to sparring I still get hit by punches I can see coming... Wolverine's not perfect... But I think he's pretty objectively proven he's fast enough and good enough to avoid bullets if that's all he has to worry about.

I mean if you look at the sheer volume of times Wolverine's been able to avoid being shot compared to the times he's gone down to bullets there's a massive uneven ratio between the two, and it's not in Castle's favor.

but from the scans that battlehammer provided, he seems to imply that Wolveirne can dodge bullets........but just gets shot for the heck of it. now THAT i don't understand. sure, he can heal, but why do it fights with opponents who are tough?

not to mention that the links he provided din't prove that logan can dodge bullets since:
-the first one, he only picked up the scent as the wind blew in
-the second one he was right there when the person was shooting and he just put his claws forward
-the third he caught the bullet........and we don't know what happens before it or after it
-and in other threads there have been shots from recent post civil war times when he got shot in the face despite seeing the guy aim at him 😐

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22

-the third he caught the bullet........and we don't know what happens before it or after it
-and in other threads there have been shots from recent post civil war times when he got shot in the face despite seeing the guy aim at him 😐

~Sado

I dont even think thats canon. Im guessing thats Wolverine and Darkness.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Of course.

Give me strength......

P.S. He may ahve dodged bullets from other people not not from Frank.

Also Frank does not make a gun shoot faster so reguardless he could and would dodge them.

If you see them in slow motion it not gunna matter who firing them.

me too. wolveirne looked like a humanbeing in that one 😛

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dont even think thats canon. Im guessing thats Wolverine and Darkness.

It been explained how wolverine got there in prior cross overs. It came out after Logan had regain his full memories. It took place in france which logan was serving in during the time of the war. It shows Logan with bone claws in the past and then later with adamatium claws. It was made to be cannon for Wolverine though not sure if it was cannon for darkness.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
When has he tried to dodge a bullet from Frank again? I gunna go with never.

Well for starters he had his face blown off, even if he could he can suprise him.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
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Also Frank does not make a gun shoot faster so reguardless he could and would dodge them.

If you see them in slow motion it not gunna matter who firing them. [/B]

I always post this when people say that.

Weve been through this, this is how Punisher is more dangerous with his guns than other people.

1. His reflexes are faster. Therefore he will pull the trigger more quickly than other people. Imagine 2 atheletes. Athelete A is a bullet from the Punishers gun. Athelete B is a bullet from less trained person gun. When the gun is fired to start running athlete A would have travelled further because his reaction time is faster.

2. With his experience Punisher can predict where they are likely to go before they get there.

3. He combines 1 and 2

4. Combining 1 and 2 and depending on the terrain if there is limited space Punisher could fill an area with bullets and even if they are able to dodge one or two bullets they wont be able to dodge them all.

sado I was not even attempting to show that logan can dodge bullets, thoses were purely sensing feats. Though Logan did dodge that bullet and smelling it down wind does not change the fact he dodged it.

He also caught that bullet, he deflected the other ones all of which would require reflectes of some one who can dodge bullets after there fire.

Now if I wanted to post evidence of Logan simply dodge bullets and how he does it all I would need to do is refference Weapon X novel which logan is stated that due to his superhuman senses, and reflex speed he is able to view bullets in slow motion which allows him to dodge them in mid flight.

we've been through this since page1 man.
battlehammer:
i mentioned to you that wolverine was the one who jumped frank and not the other way around in that issue (where he gets roadrolled). wolverine attacked him from behind and don't tell me he yelled cuz it doesn't matter. if you jump someone from the back and yell you only gain the advantage since you paralyze him with the sound and the shock of knowing that something dangerous is behind him. that makes it twice as bad. its a double shock. which is exactly why animals do that when they are about to stalk.

with that out of the way, wolvie clawed at him but frank got him with a clear shot in the middle of his attacks. what more proof do you want anyway? or are you going to tell me that wolveine doens't get pugged unless he's distracted? 😬

to go with the issue, wolverine then starts handing frank's ass to him which is seomething we all know he would in a h2h combat. BUT this is the part you just cant seem to understand: frank is more resourceful than logan. while logan tends to lose his cool and start an upfront kind of war frank has the smarts to plan. he also has great presence of mind. logan throws him into one of the rooms and there frank gets a bat and smacks him in the crotch. he then poured gasoline on him and was aboujt to torch him while wolveirne was still groggy.

~Sado
P.S. and Kenshiro will rape Wolveine 🙂

Originally posted by Sado22
we've been through this since page1 man.
battlehammer:
i mentioned to you that wolverine was the one who jumped frank and not the other way around in that issue (where he gets roadrolled). wolverine attacked him from behind and don't tell me he yelled cuz it doesn't matter. if you jump someone from the back and yell you only gain the advantage since you paralyze him with the sound and the shock of knowing that something dangerous is behind him. that makes it twice as bad. its a double shock. which is exactly why animals do that when they are about to stalk.

Wait wait wait are people using the argument that Wolverine yelled that somehow that was to Franks advantage??? Oh **** hysterical

What issue did Wolverine get roadrolled?