Originally posted by Tim Rout
The latter half of your statement is logically impossible since, from a biblical perspective, Yahweh's character is the standard by which perfection is defined [Leviticus 19:2; 2 Kings 19:22; 1 Chronicles 16:10-11; Isaiah 60:9; Matthew 5:48; Romans 3:23].
So, in other words, god's imperfection is perfect?
Originally posted by CaptainStoicYou don’t offend me nor does the Bible, I have looked into my self many times and why and how I feel the way I do. I’m not sure what you are meaning by a servant but I have no problem with authority if it is justly deserved.
It's not my words, but what I read in the bible. Your will is your own, I am not a power tripping type of person, but either you are the servant or the host, you can't have it both ways bro. If hell exists I for one don't want to go there. Instead of questioning my ethics, why not instead look deeper into your own? Are you too proud to be a servant? "According to the bible" Pride comes before a great fall. I am sorry if my words offend you.
Originally posted by CaptainStoicWhile I can understand the logic but is it really faith if you believe because you don’t want to face the wraith other than that you believe in the faith?
You are correct, but as I said life is a gamble, and I put all of my chips on Jesus The Christ.
Originally posted by Robtard
That's a sidestep, you're assuming he wouldn't listen to the "truth", even if God threw a bible at his backwards ass, but shouldn't he have the change, i.e. "Free Will" to do so or not?
I didn't mean to sidestep you, indoctrination is one of the most powerful forces on this planet, it is what made september 11th so memorable. We are all indoctrinated believe it or not.
When we are born we are taught how to walk, talk think (hence racisms existance). I remember my mother telling me that I need to go to school to get an education, so that one day I would drive a nice car, and live in a beautiful house with a white picket fence, a great wife some children and a dog. The universal dream of sorts.
Yes if he heard Gods voice he would/should/could change his direction, but he still may not. If he was taught all of his life how to think, reprogramming would be very difficult, perhaps impossible. The bible says " Raise your child up in all of their ways, and they shall never depart". There is a very sad truth in that teaching. Very sad.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
You don’t offend me nor does the Bible, I have looked into my self many times and why and how I feel the way I do. I’m not sure what you are meaning by a servant but I have no problem with authority if it is justly deserved.
While I can understand the logic but is it really faith if you believe because you don’t want to face the wraith other than that you believe in the faith?
The bible says that wisdom begins with the fear of God.
Originally posted by CaptainStoicThis is just another reason that I find the Bible and God to be in contradiction where God is supposed to be the persona of love by you must start out fearing him first. How can someone come to love him if you must fear him?
The bible says that wisdom begins with the fear of God.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
This is just another reason that I find the Bible and God to be in contradiction where God is supposed to be the persona of love by you must start out fearing him first. How can someone come to love him if you must fear him?
Originally posted by Storm
Peculiar how divinity isn' t something that is to be loved but, rather, to be feared.
A child that fears his or her parent can also love them as well. It's just giving respect where it is due. Children that fear their parents and respect them obey their parents, and children that are the opposite often find themselves in trouble with the law, or are very unruly types.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
A child that fears his or her parent can also love them as well. It's just giving respect where it is due. Children that fear their parents and respect them obey their parents, and children that are the opposite often find themselves in trouble with the law, or are very unruly types.
Parents that have children that fear them, probably show be in jail. 😄
The "fear" that you' ll be sent to Hell for all of eternity where you will suffer an infinite amount of torment has nothing to do with respect. Instead, it' s living in the presence of a vicious bully.
Any parent who raised their children in a manner similar to how God is depicted as treating humans, would likely be arrested and jailed for child abuse.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Parents that have children that fear them, probably show be in jail. 😄
A disobedient child only lives half their days. Should a perent bring down the rod of obedience, when their children misbehaves? Yes but not to the point of abuse. Hey life is all lit up, but it can be truly dark, if you don't know what's going on. Children must be guided in order to learn wrong from right. Unfortunately some children must be spanked in order to understand certain things. Wow now we're waaaay off topic.
Originally posted by Storm
The "fear" that you' ll be sent to Hell for all of eternity where you will suffer an infinite amount of torment has nothing to do with respect. Instead, it' s living in the presence of a vicious bully.Any parent who raised their children in a manner similar to how God is depicted as treating humans, would likely be arrested and jailed for child abuse.
Whoa now you went in another direction. God is not the task master "according to the bible". It is Satan that is the one telling on people. In the book of Job it says that Satan goes before God and asks him whom he may destroy, and if he is in the right God can only tell him no so many times. You see since Satan fell he wants everyone to fall with him, and if he can kill you while you are in sin, there is nothing that God can do about it. When judgment falls it is the enemy that will testify against us. Not God. I just want to put that out there.
Originally posted by CaptainStoicThere is a big difference between respect and fear, you can fear your parents all you want but this doesn’t lead to respect but also rebellion. Fear is not earned as respect is which hold greater wait then fear.
A child that fears his or her parent can also love them as well. It's just giving respect where it is due. Children that fear their parents and respect them obey their parents, and children that are the opposite often find themselves in trouble with the law, or are very unruly types.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We are not talking about Peter or John; we are talking about Jesus. Peter and John both wrote books, but where are the books that Jesus wrote?
* man, what a basher... look, Jesus preached for three freakin' years, man... He gave His all, but you still think He's illiterate because He does not have any epistles? i still say it's a very preposterous to immediately conclude that... besides, we all know He knows how to read...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I have seen people who I thought were idiots just to find that they were well educated.
* yeah, that's what you're thinking about Jesus now...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am basing my information on several programs that just recently aired on the History Channel. Writing was not common among the learned in the time of Jesus.
* i am basing my info according to the Bible, and Jesus is not illiterate...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
People did write, back in those days, but they did not sit down with a piece of paper and a pen. Paper, was very expensive, and the art of writing was reserved for important reasons.
* so? Jesus was busy preaching for three years...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Therefore, ether Jesus did not write or what he had to say was not important.
* nope...
"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
Matthew 28:18-20
* actually, it was Jesus Himself that prompted His disciples to teach all people to observe all things He commanded them... and since Christianity was preached in different cities and nations (esp. in the time of Saint Paul), the disciples used epistles to preach...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Are you saying that Jesus was a Pharisee?
* i'm saying that, it's not "only" the scribes who knows how to read and write... high priests knows how...
Originally posted by Da Pittman
Well first off you have a problem between the two different languages where the same words have different meanings. In your definitions of “good” it says nothing about wine being “pure” or “holy”. They didn’t have any type of technology or understanding of what alcohol is, they could by taste tell if the wine was “old” or “new” but not if there was any alcohol unless the grapes were fermented for a long period of time to increases the alcohol content and they could feel the immediate effects of it.The problem is that they had words for “wine” that didn’t contain the mind effecting substance and they didn’t referrer to any of them. As for Jesus creating wine that I do not believe but if you go with the mystical aspect of the idea then yes he could, he could have also made it a bennie-baby as well but we are talking about the wine of the time and not some magical potion.
* nope, you have a problem of twisting the words in the Bible, i have given you the verse, it was wine and the wine was described as "good"... i also gave the Greek transliteration of those words...
Originally posted by Da Pittman
Nice link, I like this one 😄Proverbs 31:6-9
Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
"The words of king Lemuel, the prophecy that his mother taught him.
What, my son? and what, the son of my womb? and what, the son of my vows?
Give not thy strength unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings.
It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:
Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.
Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction.
Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy."
Proverbs 31:1-9
* yeah, nice verse... taken out of context... nice try...
Originally posted by Da Pittman
I have read the Bible and "God" is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from perfect.
* please don't give that sh!t again, pal... you don't even lift a page of the Bible...
Originally posted by Robtard
Look up the definition of wine, wine is fermented grapes.
* i did...
1. the fermented juice of grapes, made in many varieties, such as red, white, sweet, dry, still, and sparkling, for use as a beverage, in cooking, in religious rites, etc., and usually having an alcoholic content of 14 percent or less.
2. a particular variety of such fermented grape juice: port and sherry wines.
3. the juice, fermented or unfermented, of various other fruits or plants, used as a beverage, sauce, etc.: gooseberry wine; currant wine.
4. a dark reddish color, as of red wines.
5. Pharmacology. vinum.
6. something that invigorates, cheers, or intoxicates like wine.
7. British. a. a social gathering at which wine is the major beverage.
b. a party, esp. one held by university students, for drinking wine.
8. Obsolete. intoxication due to the drinking of wine.
–adjective 9. dark red in color.
–verb (used with object) 10. to supply with wine: He wined his cellar with rare vintages.
–verb (used without object) 11. to drink wine.
—Idioms12. new wine in old bottles, something new placed in or superimposed on an old or existing form, system, etc. Matt. 9:17.
13. wine and dine, to entertain lavishly: They wined and dined us in order to get us to sign the new contract.[i/]
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/wine
[i]Originally posted by Robtard
We already have a word for the unfermented juice of grapes; it's called Grape Juice.
* wine is also a juice, fermented or unfermented, of various other fruits or plants, used as a beverage, sauce, etc...
Originally posted by Robtard
Deal with it, Jesus drank wine, as drinking isn't a sin. You can choose not to drink, but don't impose you're own bias under the guise of "it's in the Bible!".
* what?! where did i say that drinking is a sin? i told you, it's okay to use wine... but if you get drunk, you did not use wine, the wine "used" you... get it?
Originally posted by peejayd
* man, what a basher... look, Jesus preached for three freakin' years, man... He gave His all, but you still think He's illiterate because He does not have any epistles? i still say it's a very preposterous to immediately conclude that... besides, we all know He knows how to read...
I am simply asking you why didn’t he write anything.
Originally posted by peejayd
* yeah, that's what you're thinking about Jesus now...
I have not told you anything about what I think of Jesus.
Originally posted by peejayd
* i am basing my info according to the Bible, and Jesus is not illiterate...
However, the bible does not address the issue.
Originally posted by peejayd
* so? Jesus was busy preaching for three years...
That has nothing to do with my point.
Originally posted by peejayd
* nope..."And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
Matthew 28:18-20* actually, it was Jesus Himself that prompted His disciples to teach all people to observe all things He commanded them... and since Christianity was preached in different cities and nations (esp. in the time of Saint Paul), the disciples used epistles to preach...
So, Jesus never told them to write anything down?
Originally posted by peejayd
* i'm saying that, it's not "only" the scribes who knows how to read and write... high priests knows how...
Why would a high priest waist his time learning how to write when they were in control of the scribes? [/B][/QUOTE]
Originally posted by peejaydOh please explain to me how I’m twisting words??? I have given you the historical evidence of the different ways of preparing grapes and the names that were given to them, so how exactly did I twist them???
* nope, you have a problem of twisting the words in the Bible, i have given you the verse, it was wine and the wine was described as "good"... i also gave the Greek transliteration of those words...
Originally posted by peejayd😱 such language and yes I have read the Bible many times, gone to church, talked in length with many religious scholars and I can site more references if you would like. 😉
* please don't give that sh!t again, pal... you don't even lift a page of the Bible...
Originally posted by peejaydI think you need to read the rest of that page and not just the one little part of it. 🙂
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/wine
Originally posted by Da Pittman
Oh please explain to me how I’m twisting words??? I have given you the historical evidence of the different ways of preparing grapes and the names that were given to them, so how exactly did I twist them???😱 such language and yes I have read the Bible many times, gone to church, talked in length with many religious scholars and I can site more references if you would like. 😉
He seems to think he know us both personally. 😱 Fortunately, he's dead wrong.