the scans of the millions of volt he used on the hulk in Defenders V1 #52 are broken in the thread.......but i'll get them......eventually:
here's one example though
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here's one from recent times:
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Originally posted by namorsubbyWhat happens next between him and Giant Man?here's one from recent times:
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Storm, easily.
1) The lifting power of her winds far exceeds the physical strength of Namor. He's not flying through her winds if she's really feeling motivated. She can literally slam him around with her winds until he's unconscious.
2) Storm controls moisture. She has been able to dissipate Hydroman with just a thought. That said, Namor requires moisture to stay a peak levels and once that moisture has evaporated, he is far weaker than normal. With just a thought, Storm can dissipate the moisture on Namor thus weakening him. He's easy pickings from there.
3) I believe that Namor has absorbed electricity from electric eels. That's less than a static tickle compared to what Storm can dish out. There is no reason that she can't overload Namor with an electrical attack as we have not seen him absorb that much energy.
4) If she protects herself with a pressure dome, I don't even see how he can hurt her. His strength level is about 85 tons, her pressure dome can withstand much more force than what he can produce with his 85 ton strength.
Storm is far too powerful and far too versatile for Namor.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Storm, easily.1) The lifting power of her winds far exceeds the physical strength of Namor. He's not flying through her winds if she's really feeling motivated. She can literally slam him around with her winds until he's unconscious.
2) Storm controls moisture. She has been able to dissipate Hydroman with just a thought. That said, Namor requires moisture to stay a peak levels and once that moisture has evaporated, he is far weaker than normal. With just a thought, Storm can dissipate the moisture on Namor thus weakening him. He's easy pickings from there.
3) I believe that Namor has absorbed electricity from electric eels. That's less than a static tickle compared to what Storm can dish out. There is no reason that she can't overload Namor with an electrical attack as we have not seen him absorb that much energy.
4) If she protects herself with a pressure dome, I don't even see how he can hurt her. His strength level is about 85 tons, her pressure dome can withstand much more force than what he can produce with his 85 ton strength.
Storm is far too powerful and far too versatile for Namor.
1.Highly doubtful.......it's not exactly the same, but in defenders V1 #3, namor was able to swim through a supernatural maelstorm that held surfer,hulk, and strange.........undoubtedly due to his swimming prowess, but still a feat that takes great power.....btw, what exactly leads you to believe this in the 1st place? BTW again.......namor has fallen into the ground from space and remained conscious......i highly doubt storm will be KOing him with winds anytime soon
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2.lol, hydroman is nothing but water....show me her extracting the moisture from a being not composed of simply moisture, then we'll talk
3.lol, i don't recall namor ever actually absorbing electric eel electricity......i think you just heard the saying "namor absorbs electricity like an electric eel" and went from there. lol, seriously though......he's absorbed electricity from a doom attack, and from wasp's attacks, which i've already shown here.......and in Defenders V1 #52 he utilizes millions of volts to deter the hulk.
4.namor's feats placed him vastly past the 85 ton mark, and if you check a recent handbook, you'll find he is now considered a 100 tonner.....which he still has far exceeded in routine feats. heck, he's thrown a tank(which can weigh in excess of 60+ tons) into a freakin' airplane....that's thousands of feet.
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Originally posted by namorsubbyNamor can't absorb kinetic energy. Namor can be koed with a mere punch (kinetic energy). A lightning bolt carries mass with tremendous velocity which is kinetic energy.
he's already absorbed million of volts of them.....concussive force and all........and still, I doubt any natural lightning has the force neccessary to "easily" KO a 100 tonner like Namor or even do it at all really.......especially when the actual energy damage is already taken out of play due to his absorption power.thor's lightning is a whole nother matter..........and who has storm KOed with lightning in Namor's league?
I believe both Storm's and Thor's lightning bolt have the same strength since they are both lightning. As one reference, Storm put a serious hurting on Silver Surfer with a lightning strike.
Also Storm has been shown to separate water into oxygen and hydrogen molecules and travel as lightning. If that means anything.
Originally posted by h1a8Namor has absorbed stuff like that though... heh?
Namor can't absorb kinetic energy. Namor can be koed with a mere punch (kinetic energy). A lightning bolt carries mass with tremendous velocity which is kinetic energy.I believe both Storm's and Thor's lightning bolt have the same strength since they are both lightning. As one reference, Storm put a serious hurting on Silver Surfer with a lightning strike.
Also Storm has been shown to separate water into oxygen and hydrogen molecules and travel as lightning. If that means anything.
You believe because they are both lightning? For reference, Thor KO'ed Hulk with lightning...
BTW, Surfer was cheapshotted by Storm when he was trying to heal Wonder Man (who he almost killed), and all it did was cause him pain for some reason and then he promptly grabbed her hand.
Not that I don't believe she has done this, but I don't believe you as a whole, so scans?
Originally posted by snoopdogghis surface strength has really gone unspecified in recent handbooks.......which i find strange.......but i doubt he could even do battle at all on the surface with 100++ tonners like sentry, wonderman, some versions of the hulk he's battled, etc while operating at a mere 85 tons.
Namor's considered a 100 tonner while in contact with water. He generally operates around 85 tons on the surface imo.
Originally posted by namorsubby
4.namor's feats placed him vastly past the 85 ton mark.....which he still has far exceeded in routine feats. heck, he's thrown a tank, with one hand(which can weigh in excess of 60+ tons) into a freakin' airplane....that's [b]thousands of feet.
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Namor strength fluctuates depending on the level of time he has been out of water, so it really depends on the writer's plot. I've seen a Namor who was in the raging heat of the Savage Land for like over 24 hours as I recall, and even then he was beating the crap out of the Super Skrull, who is a Class 100 or pretty close as I understand. Or the time he was out of the ocean for entire weeks and had amnesia (He did not know who he was.) and was still able to pick up a massive crane or bulldozer which I could easily see being a good deal heavier than 100 tons if I recall it's size correctly which would make it a Class 100 feat.
Even out of water Namor he has gone toe to toe, and clearly held his own against dudes like the Hulk, an amping Black Bolt, Sentry, Hercules etc. He definitely operates at high end Class 100 if his nearby water or is out of the water anytime recently.
Usually I'd put him from more or less Wonder Woman level to about Thing level depending on how long his been out of water.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
When did Namor go toe to toe with Sentry?Also, in an older Avengers issue Hercules showed to be clearly stronger than Namor even under the water.
since that showing in, what was it?......i think it was like the 60's........there has been 2 contradictions to that......in the namor ongoing from the 90's, namor is attacked underwater by the entire avengers roster(he engages them all for a while actually).......he gets herc in a hold he can't break and proceeds to go on about how he's stronger underwater.....herc responds to the tune of "well, that may be but....." , I forgot the exact dialogue, but i know herc has to break to ocean floor to get out of the hold......and he pretty much concedes to namor's claim.
again in incredible hulk #107, namor claims to herc that he is stronger underwater.......herc says nothingin his defense(namora speaks up though,lol)
i think there's also an instance in incredible herc #122(where they fight)........of course i'll go find the scans for these
Originally posted by snoopdogg
When did Namor go toe to toe with Sentry?Also, in an older Avengers issue Hercules showed to be clearly stronger than Namor even under the water.
In an invaders issue a young Namor was taking on Sentry and went to wreck Ares and Wonder Man at the same time, and he was definitely holding his own against Sentry/Void in the Dark Avengers vs. X-men fight. Although in the end Sentry landed more blows although Namor was completely unharmed.
Really? I thought I'd read all their fights between Namor and Hercules and they have been shown to be peers. At most Hercules seems to have the edge on land back in the day as Namor's strength waned while Namor looked stronger underwater a bit. That was probably their original fight back in Avengers #42 I believe. They've gone toe to toe on land with Namor gaining the nod underwater.
The closest I can think of Hercules showing to be stronger than Namor underwater was in an instance where Hercules moved forward against an energy beam or something like that.
Props to Hercules. But underwater in their fights, Namor seems to have the edge. In one of their fights in Namor's series, their dialogue points to Namor being stronger. Namor stated that he was superior underwater while they are equal on land, Hercules goes on to say fine and then he states "Let the ground come up to meet you" or something along those lines.
All in all based on all of their fights, I give the edge to Hercules on land while Namor takes the edge underwater. That's what all of their direct comparisons point to. Personally I'd say Namor is stronger than Hercules underwater than Hercules is stronger than Namor on land as all their fights give Namor the nod underwater (Except their first which states that at peak capacity they are dead equal. Although in the same fight it shows Namor getting the edge underwater.) while Namor has stalemated Hercules on land before.
