MMT: Character Discussion(Banning/Trading/etc)

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I never said he could, but it doesn't exactly hinder him either.

I've never really seen any low showings either, and I've read a lot of comics involving him...

He is though.
Did I give the impression that I was trying to ban anyone (let alone the other people you're bringing up to try and cover your own ass)? Just because I don't see how he was allowed, it doesn't mean I'm trying to ban him. Just throwing it out there...
Also, I haven't seen feats from Sersi, or EL that compare to Firestorm (s)... so...
However, since we're on the subject... this whole page reeks of above limits...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=453167&pagenumber=7

So you judge entirely based on a respect thread, then?

Did you give the impression? Um... yes. 😐

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Ban both of them then. 🙂

I just provided a post full, and that was just transmutation, not taking any of Sersi's numerous other powers into account.

"teh List":

Loki: (power level exceeds cap) martian, trick, akuki
Firestorm: (power level exceeds cap) trick, akuki, martian, bran
Sersi: (power exceeds cap) bran
Jefferies/Box: (exceeds killability cap) leo, trick
Lang: (OHK) Fox
Aquarian: (loophole-power nullification) Fox, trick, akuki, dl, martian

9 votes, btw, gets someone booted.

anyone else?

in case anyone forgets someone they wanna ban-hammer.

Originally posted by leonidas
[B]Blair

Single Pick1- Wundarr the Aquarian
Amalgam1- Madison Jeffries (with Box)/Professor Ivo
Amalgam2- Element Lad/Brainiac5

Goober

Single Pick1- Absorbing Man
Amalgam1-He-Man/Skeletor
Amalgam2-Monica Rambeau (Photon)/Warrior

Grey Fox

Single Pick1- Magneto
Amalgam1- Dagon (Humanoid form)/Ranark
Amalgam2-Monster-in-the-Iron-Mask/Karate Kid (Pre-c)

Smurph

Single Pick1- Black Bolt
Amalgam1- Reed Richards/Sage
Amalgam2-Firestorm (Ronnie)/Meggan

Charlotte

Single Pick1- X-Man
Amalgam1- Engineer II/Brainiac8
Amalgam2-Yellowjacket/Shift

Bran

Single Pick1- Martian Manhunter
Amalgam1- Northstar/Juggernaut
Amalgam2-Cable/Nova

Laminator X

Single Pick1- Loki
Amalgam1- Spider-Man (circa Civil War)/Atlas
Amalgam2-Cassandra Nova/Cloak

Trick

Single Pick1- Dr. Arthur Light
Amalgam1- Ikaris/ Atom (Ray Palmer)
Amalagam2-Metamorpho/Mar-vell

Devil lance

Single Pick1- Maxima
Amalgam1- Ronan the accuser/Super-skrull
Amalgam2-Captain Comet (current)/Krypto

Leo

Single Pick1- Sersi
Amalgam1- Flash (Jay Garrick)/Forge
Amalgam2-Savitar/Vulcan

Akuki

Single Pick1- Dr. Doom
Amalgam1- Nova (Frankie Raye)/Supergirl
Amalgam2-Captain Britain/Lionheart

Pr1983

Single Pick1- Firestorm (current)
Amalgam1- Red Tornado (JLA #12)/Steven Lang (Phalanx Infected)
Amalgam2-Wonderwoman/Manchester Black

Martian

Single Pick1- Nightshade
Amalgam1- Mr Terrific 2/Sand
Amalagam2-Forerunner/Supernova [/B]

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
I just provided a post full, and that was just transmutation, not taking any of Sersi's numerous other powers into account.

oh yeah -- quite yer bitchin. you're just pissed you didn't get her first.

😇

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
It most certainly does.

So you judge entirely based on a respect thread, then?

Did you give the impression? Um... yes. 😐

I just provided a post full, and that was just transmutation, not taking any of Sersi's numerous other powers into account.

Did I say this? In fact, I said I read a lot of comics involving Firestorm. 🙂

I only said that as you brought up Jason being above Ronnie. And if I was trying to get the lower character banned (which you insist was Ronnie), then by logic, both of them should be banned. Which would make your dodging meaningless in my decision.
Either way, I'll only vote against them if a vote is brought up, as I'm not particularly worried about them.

And, this would make Firestorm allowed... how? It would only mean Sersi would be above limits with Firestorm.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
No, because Ronnie was able to get around this with other powers.

Did I say this? In fact, I said I read a lot of comics involving Firestorm. 🙂

I only said that as you brought up Jason being above Ronnie. And if I was trying to get the lower character banned (which you insist was Ronnie), then by logic, both of them should be banned. Which would make your dodging meaningless in my decision.
Either way, I'll only vote against them if a vote is brought up, as I'm not particularly worried about them.

And, this would make Firestorm allowed... how? It would only mean Sersi would be above limits with Firestorm.

And then you posted a link to the respect thread, and talked about how you had been "grazing" through it to see if he was too high or not. 🙂

All I said was that Jason was > Ronnie, and gave reasoning. You responded with "Ban them both". It would appear that your decision to be made revolved entirely around banning, a fact that you're now attempting valiantly to ignore. Which is probably why you've already been listed as voting against them.

And, my post about Sersi was clearly in response to Leo's claims that I was wrong with my Sersi vs. Firestorm assessment. So, your point is moot.

Anyways, I'd take Wonder Woman over Firestorm by quite a bit.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Example? Because, beyond transmuting the matter AROUND an opponent, there not much he can do.

And then you posted a link to the respect thread, and talked about how you had been "grazing" through it to see if he was too high or not. 🙂

All I said was that Jason was > Ronnie, and gave reasoning. You responded with "Ban them both". It would appear that your decision to be made revolved entirely around banning, a fact that you're now attempting valiantly to ignore. Which is probably why you've already been listed as voting against them.

And, my post about Sersi was clearly in response to Leo's claims that I was wrong with my Sersi vs. Firestorm assessment. So, your point is moot.

Anyways, I'd take Wonder Woman over Firestorm by quite a bit.

its those boobs... they're awesome...

Meggan.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t425758.html

Read #3.

Oh, FFS...

On another note, someone find a way to ban lionheart or Captain Britain. Omniversal sundering.....

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
On another note, someone find a way to ban lionheart or Captain Britain. Omniversal sundering.....

not going to happen 😛 Neither one of them has anywhere near that power solo. Both of them are highmeta when solo, they only gain that power when amalgamated, and there's no limit to how powerful your amalgam can be.

"teh List":

Loki: (power level exceeds cap) martian, trick, akuki
Firestorm: (power level exceeds cap) trick, akuki, martian, bran
Sersi: (power exceeds cap) bran
Jefferies/Box: (exceeds killability cap) leo, trick
Lang: (OHK) Fox
Aquarian: (loophole-power nullification) Fox, trick, akuki, dl, martian
Meggan: smurph, leo, trick, and . . . pretty well everyone else, i assume . . .?

9 votes, btw, gets someone booted.

anyone else?

i'll throw up akuki's not-quite-so-subtle-attempt at gaining omniversal level power as well. he was completely in the right in being able to draft each britain and lionheart, but it's fairly well known by anyone who knows marvel cosmology at all, that THAT combination should be seen as a loophole in this tournament.

sorry akuki, i know we're not supposed to ban based on the produced amalgam, but in this case, i think an exception will need to be made. 😬 imo, he can keep one of the other, or even redraft both and remain where he was in the next draft, but i can't see anyway to allow those picks to stand . . . not if we want to have a tournament that is . . . ❌

Originally posted by Akuki
The difference in my case is that my power is a result of the amalgam. Neither one of them individually have that level of power, whereas Meggan can become that powerful just by herself.

tru dat. but . . . like i said. it was pretty obvious what you were trying to do. in this case, i think we can tuck this away under the idea of no loopholes.

i'll not debate it with you -- the scans speak for themselves -- but rather i'll let everyone else weigh in and decide what they think. if it's allowed, kudos to you. 🙂

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Example? Because, beyond transmuting the matter AROUND an opponent, there not much he can do.

And then you posted a link to the respect thread, and talked about how you had been "grazing" through it to see if he was too high or not. 🙂

All I said was that Jason was > Ronnie, and gave reasoning. You responded with "Ban them both". It would appear that your decision to be made revolved entirely around banning, a fact that you're now attempting valiantly to ignore. Which is probably why you've already been listed as voting against them.

And, my post about Sersi was clearly in response to Leo's claims that I was wrong with my Sersi vs. Firestorm assessment. So, your point is moot.

Anyways, I'd take Wonder Woman over Firestorm by quite a bit.

Because a lot of his feats are already there. Why wouldn't I look through his respect thread? It's the same reason why I look over my own respect threads. And I don't recall many "low showings" from him either in comics, that would make that feat a high showing.

As I already said that I don't see how Ronnie is below Wonder Woman level, in which you responded that Current>Classic. Which seemed that you were bringing up Current to throw me off, but it would just mean that both of them would be banned.

I thought it was directed at me.

I wouldn't.
In the tourney, I would though... as she works better than Northstar... 🙁

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Either way, Sersi seems too high for this thing, so I don't care that I was put for her.
Also, why exactly is Madison Jefferies questioned? I really don't get this...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Also, why exactly is Madison Jefferies questioned? I really don't get this...

because when he's phased inside of box, he is essentially unkillable. i thought he exceeded the durability cap. 😬

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Leave it to Trick to freak out over something easily avoided...

Anyways, as for Meggan, anyone mind explaining how that's going to make her beat Wonder Woman?

Oh noes! Diana can't reality manip her!

😐

Come one, people, we need actual application of abilities. This isn't the Cosmic Hierarchy thread.

And, WTF?

Why would I be listed as wanting to ban my own character? 😐

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
And, WTF?

Why would I be listed as wanting to ban my own character? 😐

😂

😖hifty:

Meggan got punched out by Brian... I can't see her as above the limits based on one feat...

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
And, WTF?

Why would I be listed as wanting to ban my own character? 😐

Leave it to Trick to freak out over something easily avoided...

Anyways, as for Meggan, anyone mind explaining how that's going to make her beat Wonder Woman?

Oh noes! Diana can't reality manip her!

Come one, people, we need actual application of abilities. This isn't the Cosmic Hierarchy thread.

meh, like i said, i'm against both meggan and the sword/amulet combo. the implication of power is enough imo, but i'll happily abide by whatever the general consensus happens to be. 🙂