Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Eh?Anyway, Ronnie has better feats me thinks, and way more experience...
Originally posted by Galan007
Within 10 minutes of originally gaining his powers, Firestorm could already transmute living matter:
Ronnie could never do that. Not without near-fatal repercussions anyways.
I think Comet needs to go.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=444274&pagenumber=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Comet
Defeating Lobo in H2H, causing huge explosions via TK, powerful telepathy... etc.
Just over the top, IMO.
Originally posted by Zeitgeist
I think Comet needs to go.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=444274&pagenumber=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Comet
Defeating Lobo in H2H, causing huge explosions via TK, powerful telepathy... etc.
Just over the top, IMO.
ahem...
Originally posted by ZeitgeistAnd?
Ronnie could never do that. Not without near-fatal repercussions anyways.
Just because he can do one thing that Ronnie possibly couldn't, that makes him above Ronnie? I don't get how this works...
Ban both of them then. 🙂
They both seem higher than WW level anyway.
Also...
Originally posted by Galan007
The 'Tyrant Tornado' was owning various members of the JLA, [the likes of which included Pre-Crisis Superman, Hal Jordan, Wonder Woman, and Flash]:----------
Ronnie, [in a weakened state], was able to one-shot this same creature:
Plus:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Firestorm/firestormownsnebiros.jpg
Originally posted by Zeitgeist
I think Comet needs to go.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=444274&pagenumber=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Comet
Defeating Lobo in H2H, causing huge explosions via TK, powerful telepathy... etc.
Just over the top, IMO.
The current young Comet was picked, and as stated isn't as physically strong as his classic body.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
And?Just because he can do one thing that Ronnie possibly couldn't, that makes him above Ronnie? I don't get how this works...
One thing?
The ability to transmute organic matter is huge.
I'd rather have Jason than Ronnie, definitely.
Originally posted by Mr. SlippyfistMeh, Nightwing's taken out someone who's defeated Zatanna, Flash, and other notables in one fight.
Ban both of them then. 🙂Also...
Plus:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Firestorm/firestormownsnebiros.jpg
Everybody has their high and low showings.
And, as I've already covered with Trick, anything Firestorm can do, Sersi can do too. And she can do much, much more.
Originally posted by ZeitgeistOf course, but it's not like it hinders Ronnie (as he seems to find a way), or lowers him in power.
One thing?The ability to transmute organic matter is huge.
I'd rather have Jason than Ronnie, definitely.
Meh, Nightwing's taken out someone who's defeated Zatanna, Flash, and other notables in one fight.
Everybody has their high and low showings.
And, as I've already covered with Trick, anything Firestorm can do, Sersi can do too. And she can do much, much more.
It seems Firestorm (both) only have high showings in that regard... so I can't see how that's relevant.
So? Even if that's true, that still doesn't make Firestorm under the limits. 😬
Just grazing through the respect thread makes me question how FS isn't on high herald...
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Of course, but it's not like it hinders Ronnie (as he seems to find a way), or lowers him in power.It seems Firestorm (both) only have high showings in that regard... so I can't see how that's relevant.
So? Even if that's true, that still doesn't make Firestorm under the limits. 😬
Just grazing through the respect thread makes me question how FS isn't on high herald...
most high heralds compete on the highest levels with their peers... superman matches luthor, gl matches sinestro etc...
jason for all his power still isnt as good as he should be, imo...
Originally posted by Mr. SlippyfistBut... he doesn't find a way. Beyond his own being, Ronnie can't transmute the organic.
Of course, but it's not like it hinders Ronnie (as he seems to find a way), or lowers him in power.It seems Firestorm (both) only have high showings in that regard... so I can't see how that's relevant.
So? Even if that's true, that still doesn't make Firestorm under the limits. 😬
Just grazing through the respect thread makes me question how FS isn't on high herald...
No. But, I'm sure that Galan's not going to fill the respect thread with low showings.
My point is that we shouldn't be treating Firestorm as specially powerful in that regard. If you'd like to try to ban Ronnie, Jason, Sersi and probably even Element Lad, feel free.
Originally posted by ZeitgeistI never said he could, but it doesn't exactly hinder him either.
But... he doesn't find a way. Beyond his own being, Ronnie can't transmute the organic.No. But, I'm sure that Galan's not going to fill the respect thread with low showings.
My point is that we shouldn't be treating Firestorm as specially powerful in that regard. If you'd like to try to ban Ronnie, Jason, Sersi and probably even Element Lad, feel free.
I've never really seen any low showings either, and I've read a lot of comics involving him...
He is though.
Did I give the impression that I was trying to ban anyone (let alone the other people you're bringing up to try and cover your own ass)? Just because I don't see how he was allowed, it doesn't mean I'm trying to ban him. Just throwing it out there...
Also, I haven't seen feats from Sersi (mind you, I don't read anything involving her), or EL that compare to Firestorm (s)... so...
However, since we're on the subject... this whole page reeks of above limits...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=453167&pagenumber=7
>> ?
No, not at all.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Sersi began transmuting the air above the city to fire, and was going to set the city aflame, but Dane stops her.
http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=airtofirece0.jpgTurns an army against itself literally:
http://img472.imageshack.us/my.php?image=army1qi6.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=army2xw2.jpgTo save herself and teammates from a galaxy destroying explosion, she renders them into an inert and superdense matter. Starfox turns them back to normal.
http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers347p02to6.jpg
http://img485.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers347p03pv9.jpg
http://img485.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers347p04yz4.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers347p12fg3.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers347p13up3.jpgTransmutes the hull of a ship to crystal, atomizes chains holding Dane and Crystal.
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers366p22ha0.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers366p23wv8.jpgManipulates a Nega-Bomb, a weapon capable of destroying an area the size of the Kree Empire, at a subatomic level. She manages to reduce the weapons power to only destroying the surrounding 200 miles, but Vision miscalculated how long the containment field would hold. She flies out of range of the explosion.
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers366p27eg9.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers366p28xw5.jpg
http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers366p29and30kr1.jpgA big bang effect occurs, creating a new universe amidst the old one and annihilating both.
http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv131510rougheraf8.jpg
Sersi manages to shield herself and the Avengers from the annihilation using her abilities over matter.
http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv131420rougherht3.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv131421rougherep4.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv131422roughertf9.jpgTurns herself and the Avengers into Kree. Knows the Kree language. Iron Man is unhappy she transmuted his armour, which she returns to normal with ease.
http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica399ocd05ub0.jpg
http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica399ocd06tf2.jpg
http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica399ocd07tp1.jpg
http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica399ocd09sh7.jpg
http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica399ocd10zs0.jpgTogether with Thena, she physically manipulates the minds of the entire Deviant race so that they can form an Anti-Mind.
http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heroesforhire05p16dg3.jpg
http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heroesforhire06p12kp0.jpg
http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heroesforhire06p18iq6.jpgUses her abilities to manipulate matter at a subatomic level and give a massive explosion of energy form and direction.
http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=subatomicao5.jpgPerforms a blood transfusion using her matter transmutation powers.
http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=surgery2xu2.jpgDe-ages Captain America into a teenager.
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deagelr9.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deage2cr0.jpgChanges Eternals into Deviants.
http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eternalsdeviantslu5.jpg
http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eternalsdeviants2qb6.jpg
About to do the same to the Avengers.
http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersdeviantscr5.jpg
Originally posted by xmarksthespotChanges a cosmically powered robot Hulk to stone.
http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hulkrobotstoneii6.jpg
Does the same to a man.
http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stonekv0.jpg
Does the same to Vision
http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=visionstonesn5.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=visionstone2ws7.jpgModulates Mjolnir allowing for interdimensional travel.
http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=modulatemjolnirqn5.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=modulatemjolnir2tz3.jpgSersi is sensitive to atomic structures of matter and can scan for particular chemical composition.
http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=molecularsensestu8.jpg
http://img374.imageshack.us/my.php?image=molecularsenses2lh7.jpg
And for most, there wasn't even indication that that reached anywhere near her maximum capacity.
And that doesn't take into account her powerful telepathy, illusions, high-end physical stats, teleportation, healing, Eternal body and nigh-immortality, etc.
It all puts her far above Firestorm, once everything is taken into account.
