MMT: Character Discussion(Banning/Trading/etc)

Started by Mr. Slippyfist29 pages

Rachel? 😬

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We shouldn't even have to lower ourselves to respond to Trick's pick... so I'm not going to make a petition for it...

I'll repick, chill out. I'm just getting a link.

As for Angie vs Spartan...if teleporting your head off one-hit-kill or BFRing poor Angie into the core of the sun isn't allowed, THEN I actually give Angie a win... otherwise, Digi, I don't agree with you. Remember Spartan paying the Authority a visit in Coup D'Etat? Digi, I can understand your "the more wildstormites in the tourney the better" policy...THREE picks of my desk are Wildstormites.

But once again, that's the tourney you can do almost anything in apart from OHK. And as for Aquarian- the ability to nullify kinetic energy is a major case for grrs, other than that- there were a few plans. And if not for that, a few clever things are enough to deal with power nullifier.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Rachel? 😬

sometimes i think she has as many low showings as high showings. 😬

a slightly risky pick, i know, but if people see her as a problem, i'll gladly abide by the voting.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
As for Angie vs Spartan...if teleporting your head off one-hit-kill or BFRing poor Angie into the core of the sun isn't allowed, THEN I actually give Angie a win... otherwise, Digi, I don't agree with you. Remember Spartan paying the Authority a visit in Coup D'Etat? Digi, I can understand your "the more wildstormites in the tourney the better" policy...THREE picks of my desk are Wildstormites.

But once again, that's the tourney you can do almost anything in apart from OHK. And as for Aquarian- the ability to nullify kinetic energy is a major case for grrs, other than that- there were a few plans. And if not for that, a few clever things are enough to deal with power nullifier.

I'm not stroking WS, just saying what I think. And Hadrian didn't fight anyone in Coup D'Etat, so that's not really a valid citation.

But yeah, teleporting kills would be banned due to the BFR-kills rules. And I think even without that, the presence of Angie's dupes would mean she could give Hadrian a run for his money.

Hmm...I didn't say you're stroking anything. And dupes can still be dimensional BFRed- though...there are a few tricks up the shelve. I'll probably remove my vote as no porting to the core of the sun or porting heads and limbs off leaves him a decent opponent.
As for Aquarian...if not for kinetic energy drain, he'd be a normal pick. But otherwise he's a cheap loophole.

Death Metal? 👇 That mother****er has trans level durability.

"teh List":

Loki: (power exceeds cap) martian, trick, akuki, goob, bran, bats
Firestorm: (power level exceeds cap) trick, akuki, martian, bran, bats
Sersi: (power exceeds cap) bran
Jefferies/Box: (exceeds killability cap) leo, trick, martian
Aquarian: (loophole-power nullification) trick, akuki, dl, martian, goob, bran, charlotte
Meggan: (power exceeds cap) trick
Nova: (power exceeds cap) goob
Ronan: (power exceeds cap) martian, trick
Metron: (power exceeds cap) Smurph, Bran, leo, bats, akuki, marty
Makkari: (above speed cap) bats
Spartan 3.0: (above power cap) leo, akuki, smurph
Death Metal: (above durability cap) leo, trick, akuki
Phoenix-Rachel: (above power cap) bran (i think . . .)

7 votes needed to ban.

aquarian has been banned by the participants. awaiting 2 judges votes.

rescinded votes -- leo and charlotte have rescinded their votes against spartan.

hey, just noticed something -- bran is the only one against my characters up there! you gotta a problem with me mister??! 😠

😛

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Death Metal? 👇 That mother****er has trans level durability.

agreed -- he ripped alpha flight a new one and was holding back and he ADMITTED they didn't have the combined power to kill him. battling and killing charnel (likely a trans-leveller himself) also shows him to be over caps, imo. 😬

still, AWESOME character and, what the hell -- nice try sneaking him in DL. 😉

Originally posted by leonidas
[B]hey, just noticed something -- bran is the only one against my characters up there! you gotta a problem with me mister??! 😠

Hey Leo, What version of Rachel are you drafting? The classic version with full access to the Pheonix force, or the current one with a more restricted abilities?

Oh and add my vote against DeathMetal

Originally posted by Akuki
Hey Leo, What version of Rachel are you drafting? The classic version with full access to the Pheonix force, or the current one with a more restricted abilities?

Oh and add my vote against DeathMetal

the one from the excalibur series. but not even that version had full access. she was only able to access the force in a limited way, unlike jeannie.

Originally posted by leonidas
the one from the excalibur series. but not even that version had full access. she was only able to access the force in a limited way, unlike jeannie.

Hmmm... I'm pretty certain I'm going to have to vote against Rachel. She was doing things like surviving Solar system busting attacks, and beat up starving Galactus as well as some heralds, and even recently she showed the ability to take down Gladiator one on one, in her depowered state.

Some of her showings:

Originally posted by id369
[B]Excalibur volume 1, issue #50
Rachael vs Necrom. Battle wise, good showings.
Asteroids, and moons are thrown at each other. Planetes are one shotted, and ignited to form a sun. Devastation to an entire Solar System.
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We see Rachael handle Nove (herald of Galactus)…twice. Knocks her, strait to the moon.
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Pissed off, Nova attempts to return the favor. Only to have Rachael fling her back to Galactus.
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/7131/excalibur02515et5.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5558/excalibur02516mi9.jpg

Originally posted by id369
[B]Excalibur volume 1, issue #61

Rachael vs Galactus.
An interesting match, we know that the Phoenix Force is well above a Herald of Galactus. What about a Hungry Galactus? Apparently a league above him as well.

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"teh List":[/b][/size]

Loki: (power exceeds cap) martian, trick, akuki, goob, bran, bats
Firestorm: (power level exceeds cap) trick, akuki, martian, bran, bats
Sersi: (power exceeds cap) bran
Jefferies/Box: (exceeds killability cap) leo, trick, martian
Aquarian: (loophole-power nullification) trick, akuki, dl, martian, goob, bran, charlotte
Meggan: (power exceeds cap) trick
Nova: (power exceeds cap) goob
Ronan: (power exceeds cap) martian, trick
Metron: (power exceeds cap) Smurph, Bran, leo, bats, akuki, marty
Makkari: (above speed cap) bats
Spartan 3.0: (above power cap) leo, akuki, smurph
Death Metal: (above durability cap) leo, trick, akuki
Phoenix-Rachel: (above power cap) bran, akuki
7 votes needed to ban.

aquarian has been banned by the participants. awaiting 2 judges votes.

rescinded votes -- leo and charlotte have rescinded their votes against spartan.

Rachel Stalemating Gladiator with only dregs of the Pheonix force(a fraction of what the version being drafted has)

Originally posted by id369
[B]X-Men: Emperor Vulcan #5

Rachel wielding reminiscing energies of the Phoenix Force, fights Gladiator to a stand still.
[/B]

and the one drafted was being stalemated by a still-young quasar (whom glads has overpowered in the past) and been one-shotted by thor . . . 😬

like i said -- she has some high showings and lots of low ones. i won't defend her anymore. everyone should be pretty familiar with her and can vote how they see fit. 🙂

I'll voice my opinion against Death Metal, whose Low Herald place in the tiers thread is basically a joke. Even a top-shelf metal manipulator couldn't do anything against him. His durability is mystical, and he has healed from a tiny puddle before in just a couple panels. No one in this tourney could transmute him, knock him out, vaporize him, BFR him (he can dimension hop), etc. He's above whatever durability cap Diana sets by a fair margin. Imo, at least.

Though I don't see what the big deal is with Rachel. Everyone has lots of good showings, but the unlock-the-pheonix thing that id is trying over in Evangel's thing isn't going to work with her, so it's not like she'll go ridiculously uber on you guys.

As noted Jeffries couldn't do anything to him

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/DeathMetal_vs_Genetix_01_03-04.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/DeathMetal_vs_Genetix_01_05.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/DeathMetal_vs_Genetix_01_06.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/DeathMetal_vs_Genetix_01_07.jpg
5. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/DeathMetal_vs_Genetix_01_08.jpg

The problem is Digi, is that Leo drafted her with the Phoenix Force. He didn't just draft Rachel... he drafted the Phoenix.

Originally posted by leonidas
and the one drafted was being stalemated by a still-young quasar (whom glads has overpowered in the past) and been one-shotted by thor . . . 😬

like i said -- she has some high showings and lots of low ones. i won't defend her anymore. everyone should be pretty familiar with her and can vote how they see fit. 🙂

Quasar has stalemated Galactus...
And Thor absorbed her power, and turned it back on her...

Also, she's overloaded Beyonder (through visions, I'll admit), and one shotted Captain Britain...
She also placed a lighthouse in every universe across the multiverse.

Etc.

She's also upped Gladiator in her last appearance... and I'm sure people will put Glads as stronger and more durable than Wondy...

😬

My next pick is going to be Galactus mixed with Uatu. Everyone has high and low showings.

all right. on account of a couple pm's i'll replace rachel-phoenix, with CURRENT rachel. at best that one stalemated gladiator briefly.

if i'm ALLOWED to switch without a formal ban on her that is . . .