Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Depending on how you feel about the scene or script... How about stalemating or looking slightly superior to one of IF NOT THE Greatest Sith Lord ever. A Sith Lord who easily blitz three of the most acclaimed Jedi in the order in second. A Sith Lord clouded the perception of the entire Order while on a light side nexus so they were totally unaware of him even when he's adversely affected. I won't even get into book feats and force storms etc etc. Yeah that guy, Yoda matched him, and some say got the better of the fight. You mean like that kinda feat?
ok well first I belive that in terms of force abilities sidious was the winner and in light sabers yoda may have been slightly better but it's hard to tell since yoda couldn't penetrate sidious defense while sidious couldn't get the better of him either
Well if that's his biggest force feat than I believe dumbledore has a good chance if he couldn't handle sidious lightning and dumbledore will have a wider variety of spells to shoot at yoda and what if he shoots avada kedavra first yoda would try to use tutamintis and when it touches him it's K.O.
Ok what happens when dumbledore shoots out either a large spell or shoots out the same spell but a ton of them at one time and yoda dodges but dumbledore used the spell used against the Giants in part 2 of deathly hallows and he is strapped down by vines I mean the dude is not as physically strong and those vines are aggresive
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
ok well first I belive that in terms of force abilities sidious was the winner and in light sabers yoda may have been slightly better but it's hard to tell since yoda couldn't penetrate sidious defense while sidious couldn't get the better of him eitherWell if that's his biggest force feat than I believe dumbledore has a good chance if he couldn't handle sidious lightning and dumbledore will have a wider variety of spells to shoot at yoda and what if he shoots avada kedavra first yoda would try to use tutamintis and when it touches him it's K.O.
What do you mean couldn't handle it? He was surprised by the force of the initial blast no doubt. However once he got serous and buckled down he was overpowering Sids lighting and the script notes (which we can also see on Sids face with the ohh sh1t I'm done look) "The Emperor appears doomed" So no, Sids didn't really win the force battle either and he was disarmed of his saber in direct saber combat with Yoda.
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, vines.Lighsabre > vines > giants > wizards
Well that would be something if yoda had his lightsabre it's stated in the making that yoda doesn't have his lightsabre
And wizards are greater than Giants and wizards control vines so
Wizards>enchanted unbreakable>lightsabre>Giants
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What do you mean couldn't handle it? He was surprised by the force of the initial blast no doubt. However once he got serous and buckled down he was overpowering Sids lighting and the script notes (which we can also see on Sids face with the ohh sh1t I'm done look) "The Emperor appears doomed" So no, Sids didn't really win the force battle either and he was disarmed of his saber in direct saber combat with Yoda.
i mean yoda was about to be fish fry when they began their force lightning vs tutamintis battle sidious is shooting lightning and we see yoda with lost confidence and a failing constitution being overpowered the only reason he came back was because he had a sudden vision that the Galaxy would need him so he had a sudden burst of strenght not a normal thing mind you so then with that he still was not able to overpower sidious it resulted in a stalemate so yes sidious won the force duel and this is all confirmed in cannon and George Lucas approved wookepedia of the battle
And that break in the deul has different possibilities one and the most logical one is that sidious claimed the tactical high ground seeing that neither could overcome the other
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well that would be something if yoda had his lightsabre it's stated in the making that yoda doesn't have his lightsabre
And wizards are greater than Giants and wizards control vines soWizards>enchanted unbreakable>lightsabre>Giants
Nope. Yoda has his sabre, he never leaves home without it. Besides, he can use the Force to make a new one.
"Enchanted unbreakable"? You don't even Potter, dude.
Re: Yoda versus Dumbledore (the Force versus Hogwarts magic)
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Who wins? No lightsaber involved, only ones knowledge of the force and magical spells.
No lightsaber involved and please I know more about potter than you and you act as if unbreakable/enchanted vines is wrong to say since those Giants couldn't break it they must be enchanted they're enchanted anyway the fact they can move makes them enchanted so now you are just being retarted Roberto
I know it's not your name but that's what I'm going to call u
Originally posted by Robtard
Nope. Yoda has his sabre, he never leaves home without it. Besides, he can use the Force to make a new one."Enchanted unbreakable"? You don't even Potter, dude.
Use the force to make a new one it would still need a crupystal even if he could do that which he can't he couldn't ignit it You don't even Star Wars, dude
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
i mean yoda was about to be fish fry when they began their force lightning vs tutamintis battle sidious is shooting lightning and we see yoda with lost confidence and a failing constitution being overpowered the only reason he came back was because he had a sudden vision that the Galaxy would need him so he had a sudden burst of strenght not a normal thing mind you so then with that he still was not able to overpower sidious it resulted in a stalemate so yes sidious won the force duel and this is all confirmed in cannon and George Lucas approved wookepedia of the battleAnd that break in the deul has different possibilities one and the most logical one is that sidious claimed the tactical high ground seeing that neither could overcome the other
He didn't lose confidence he had expression of strain... not lost confidence.... mere seconds later... His confidence was just fine. Sids didn't win the force battle. He got Yoda initially unprepared for his power. After than Yoda force pushed Sids.. which he was unable to block and counter. He could never the same to Yoda. His TK on the pod was overpowered and sent back at him. Lucas own script notes "The Emperor appears doomed" during their final lighting battle. Lucas script is exponentially more canon than wookiepedia lol. The reality is, Yoda got the slightly better of the fight and Sids tried to duck tail and run before it even began.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
He didn't lose confidence he had expression of strain... not lost confidence.... mere seconds later... His confidence was just fine. Sids didn't win the force battle. He got Yoda initially unprepared for his power. After than Yoda force pushed Sids.. which he was unable to block and counter. He could never the same to Yoda. His TK on the pod was overpowered and sent back at him. Lucas own script notes "The Emperor appears doomed" during their final lighting battle. Lucas script is exponentially more canon than wookiepedia lol. The reality is, Yoda got the slightly better of the fight and Sids tried to duck tail and run before it even began.
He actually did lose confidence and its stated that yoda knew that he had lost the battle since under his leadership he prepared the order for "the old war" while the sith had been learning new abilities and making their own and becoming stronger and at the begging how could he be unprepared when sidious took like 15 seconds to raise his hands ok he forced pushed him I say it was more a vote of overconfidence I mean if I shocked the most powerful jedi of all time with my own power and he was looking I would feel pretty confident and he ran because he had everything to lose he had achieved a millennia worth of sith planning why would you want to lose that it's approved by lucas so I mean lol it should hold the same amount of weight the empror appears doomed directors put stuff like that in scripts all the time to add drama to the scene and the reality is when sidious disarmed yoda and they began. Their lightning deul yoda is being overpowered by sidious so sidious actually got the edge in that deul
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He actually did lose confidence and its stated that yoda knew that he had lost the battle since under his leadership he prepared the order for "the old war" while the sith had been learning new abilities and making their own and becoming stronger and at the begging how could he be unprepared when sidious took like 15 seconds to raise his hands ok he forced pushed him I say it was more a vote of overconfidence I mean if I shocked the most powerful jedi of all time with my own power and he was looking I would feel pretty confident and he ran because he had everything to lose he had achieved a millennia worth of sith planning why would you want to lose that it's approved by lucas so I mean lol it should hold the same amount of weight the empror appears doomed directors put stuff like that in scripts all the time to add drama to the scene and the reality is when sidious disarmed yoda and they began. Their lightning deul yoda is being overpowered by sidious so sidious actually got the edge in that deul
Ummm no it's not the same level of canon.. To even think that a script written by the creator of the franchise about he movie is the same level of canon as wookiepedia... tells me you're a little confused on the level of canon and the priority we should be giving them.
No it's not that he was surprised. He just underestimated the power of the emperor. He's never faced him before.. so how would he know how much power to expect. If I'm in a fight with somebody I've never fought... once I'm hit I know what I'm in for and what the guy is capable of, before that you have no clue. Same thing here. Yoda wasn't ready for the power the emperor could muster.. not that he was unable to react in time (are you quan? Serious question)
You're not understanding... Yoda look SLIGHTLY superior or a stalemate... it's really that simple. Yoda overpowered Sids TK defense and sent him flying. Yoda disarmed Sidious in DIRECT saber combat. Yoda then overpowered the TK Sids was using on the pod and sent it back at him. Yoda then overpowered Sids lighting and was forcing it back at him with a look of confidence and determination.. while Sidious had an expression of holy shit I'm done. When you break it down... yoda did better
umm no.. that was a reference to as you say the Jedi becoming complacent and ill prepared for a sith uprising the way they did. That is the battle he was referring to when he said "the battle was lost before it even began" It had nothing to do with him feeling like Sids got the better of the fight. Also, Sidious wasn't just concerned with preserving all that he built. Yoda had just sent him flying via the force and Sids felt his power. AFTER THAT, is when he decided to tuck tail and run. You think it was to be careful, I think it's because he was facing the "greatest foe the darkness had ever known" He did try and duck tail and run when he met the 4 acclaimed Jedi who came to arrest him. Yet, he'll run from one jedi to protect his plan. That makes zero logical sense.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Powers like those would not come into battle since with yoda being a jedi and the purest one at that he would not have the knowledge to do such abilities as force storm or force drain or anything such as that since they are dark side powers
Nobody said he could use force storm or force drain so, nice non sequiter, nor does that address what I was saying (being: unless HP magic can destroy planets or effect shit across lightyears, it can't)
Not that Yoda needs such powers to stomp Dumbledore
Just out of curiosity what is yodas biggest feat just asking
Being much more powerful than Ashoka and some youngling schmucks who collapsed a cliff face and Dooku who crushed bolted machinery and Maul who moved a starship and as powerful as Sidious who tossed Senate Pods around with extreme ease
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Nobody said he could use force storm or force drain so, nice non sequiter, nor does that address what I was saying (being: unless HP magic can destroy planets or effect shit across lightyears, it can't)Not that Yoda needs such powers to stomp Dumbledore
Being much more powerful than Ashoka and some youngling schmucks who collapsed a cliff face and Dooku who crushed bolted machinery and Maul who moved a starship and as powerful as Sidious who tossed Senate Pods around with extreme ease
Being more powerful than ahsoka is not a huge feat (until we see the next episode of rebels)
Wizards from the Hp universe could use spells to collapse a bridge as seen in HP6
A wizard of adequate power can lift a heavy object
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ummm no it's not the same level of canon.. To even think that a script written by the creator of the franchise about he movie is the same level of canon as wookiepedia... tells me you're a little confused on the level of canon and the priority we should be giving them.No it's not that he was surprised. He just underestimated the power of the emperor. He's never faced him before.. so how would he know how much power to expect. If I'm in a fight with somebody I've never fought... once I'm hit I know what I'm in for and what the guy is capable of, before that you have no clue. Same thing here. Yoda wasn't ready for the power the emperor could muster.. not that he was unable to react in time (are you quan? Serious question)
You're not understanding... Yoda look SLIGHTLY superior or a stalemate... it's really that simple. Yoda overpowered Sids TK defense and sent him flying. Yoda disarmed Sidious in DIRECT saber combat. Yoda then overpowered the TK Sids was using on the pod and sent it back at him. Yoda then overpowered Sids lighting and was forcing it back at him with a look of confidence and determination.. while Sidious had an expression of holy shit I'm done. When you break it down... yoda did better
umm no.. that was a reference to as you say the Jedi becoming complacent and ill prepared for a sith uprising the way they did. That is the battle he was referring to when he said "the battle was lost before it even began" It had nothing to do with him feeling like Sids got the better of the fight. Also, Sidious wasn't just concerned with preserving all that he built. Yoda had just sent him flying via the force and Sids felt his power. AFTER THAT, is when he decided to tuck tail and run. You think it was to be careful, I think it's because he was facing the "greatest foe the darkness had ever known" He did try and duck tail and run when he met the 4 acclaimed Jedi who came to arrest him. Yet, he'll run from one jedi to protect his plan. That makes zero logical sense.
Well not confused just saying that the same man who wrote the script with tens of people to give advice help and in some cases put their own words into the script vs the wookipedia I can understand your point but I mean it's still cannon and the movie depicts a cut in the battle not really proven one other theory or the other but both are possible all depends on what you believe
He underestimated the emperor that has to be the lamest excuse ever. Exactly he didn't know the power the empror possesd all he needs to know from the surface is that he just initiated the greatest purge of a powerful group worked his way through the political system and become emperor and is the TRUE DARTH LORD OF THE SITH what else do you need to know do i need to give tryout a specific book my powers wat to expect and how to defen no you should be ready you don't know what you are going into that's a lie he knew what he was going to he has already faced off against dooku the apprentice so why would you not be ready for the dud WO taught him you should be ready for even more powerful sith lightning telekinesis and lightsaber so he was ready
"Yoda looked SLIGHTLY superior or a stalemate... the word LOOKED is the keyword looked implies what you saw well what was seen and what is is that yoda almost fish frye if it weren't for the last vision he had that gave him a last burst of energy and then still all it made was a ball of energy that neither could push back on the other so both were flung so on average sidious got the edge besides yoda even thought that he had already lost the battle
Yea because he thought it's possible he could bring down everything I worked for so once he felt yodas power and realized this dude could I EMPHASIZE COULD COULD destroy my plans he wanted to not take any chances and cut loose which is not a bad showing but tactica on sidious part,l yodas personality is to just bulldoze his opponent like his lightsaber style and the battle was lost was everything yoda knew he has lost and on a larger scale the jedi had lost and the sith had won
First off the final stages wasn't in play yet and depending on how you feel about the whole anakin being lured to the dark side and sidious letting windu win that's what determines this in a way so I can't comment because that is your view mine is that sidious let windu win to lure anakin to the dark side so yea it makes perfect sense depending on which version you believe
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well not confused just saying that the same man who wrote the script with tens of people to give advice help and in some cases put their own words into the script vs the wookipedia I can understand your point but I mean it's still cannon and the movie depicts a cut in the battle not really proven one other theory or the other but both are possible all depends on what you believeHe underestimated the emperor that has to be the lamest excuse ever. Exactly he didn't know the power the empror possesd all he needs to know from the surface is that he just initiated the greatest purge of a powerful group worked his way through the political system and become emperor and is the TRUE DARTH LORD OF THE SITH what else do you need to know do i need to give tryout a specific book my powers wat to expect and how to defen no you should be ready you don't know what you are going into that's a lie he knew what he was going to he has already faced off against dooku the apprentice so why would you not be ready for the dud WO taught him you should be ready for even more powerful sith lightning telekinesis and lightsaber so he was ready
"Yoda looked SLIGHTLY superior or a stalemate... the word LOOKED is the keyword looked implies what you saw well what was seen and what is is that yoda almost fish frye if it weren't for the last vision he had that gave him a last burst of energy and then still all it made was a ball of energy that neither could push back on the other so both were flung so on average sidious got the edge besides yoda even thought that he had already lost the battle
Yea because he thought it's possible he could bring down everything I worked for so once he felt yodas power and realized this dude could I EMPHASIZE COULD COULD destroy my plans he wanted to not take any chances and cut loose which is not a bad showing but tactica on sidious part,l yodas personality is to just bulldoze his opponent like his lightsaber style and the battle was lost was everything yoda knew he has lost and on a larger scale the jedi had lost and the sith had won
First off the final stages wasn't in play yet and depending on how you feel about the whole anakin being lured to the dark side and sidious letting windu win that's what determines this in a way so I can't comment because that is your view mine is that sidious let windu win to lure anakin to the dark side so yea it makes perfect sense depending on which version you believe
Okay good, you concede they aren't the same level of canon. A script should never ever be confused as the same level of canon as any pedia
No, you're not understanding the point. I could be fighting for the HW championship of the world. Fighting the champion. I would KNOW it's going to be a tough fight, after all I'm fighting the reigning HW champion. I could prepare and would train to fight the best. That doesn't men I know what his punches feel like and what affect they will have on me. There are certain things that you can only find out once they happen. Same thing here. Him CASUALLY dealing with Dooku lighting could also have been a factor. You tried to use it to support your "knowing" stance but it's actually the opposite. He could've felt Dooku's lighting (being that Dooku was one of the most powerful force users in the universe. He was Yoda padawan, he trained and nurtured him. So when he easily and casually dealt with his force powers he could've very well assumed the emperor's might be stronger but not THAT strong
You keep on taking what Yoda said out of context... he was saying the battle was lost before it begin because of the work the sith had covertly been doing and the jedi becoming passive over the centuries. THAT is what he meant, not that he couldn't beat Sidious. Stop taking it out of context.
No, again Windu was the Master of the Order at one point before Yoda took it back over during the start of the Clone wars. The Emperor would very well know that Mace was a very strong foe and could also beat him. AND he was accompanied by 3 other acclaimed Jedi. Forgive me if I don't think he thought ohhh these guys are nothing I'll just kill them but decided to run from Yoda to save his plans
The reality is this... Let's just call the force battle even shall we... in the end the only clear winner of any portion of the fight was Sabers... and that belong decisively to Yoda.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Okay good, you concede they aren't the same level of canon. A script should never ever be confused as the same level of canon as any pediaNo, you're not understanding the point. I could be fighting for the HW championship of the world. Fighting the champion. I would KNOW it's going to be a tough fight, after all I'm fighting the reigning HW champion. I could prepare and would train to fight the best. That doesn't men I know what his punches feel like and what affect they will have on me. There are certain things that you can only find out once they happen. Same thing here. Him CASUALLY dealing with Dooku lighting could also have been a factor. You tried to use it to support your "knowing" stance but it's actually the opposite. He could've felt Dooku's lighting (being that Dooku was one of the most powerful force users in the universe. He was Yoda padawan, he trained and nurtured him. So when he easily and casually dealt with his force powers he could've very well assumed the emperor's might be stronger but not THAT strong
You keep on taking what Yoda said out of context... he was saying the battle was lost before it begin because of the work the sith had covertly been doing and the jedi becoming passive over the centuries. THAT is what he meant, not that he couldn't beat Sidious. Stop taking it out of context.
No, again Windu was the Master of the Order at one point before Yoda took it back over during the start of the Clone wars. The Emperor would very well know that Mace was a very strong foe and could also beat him. AND he was accompanied by 3 other acclaimed Jedi. Forgive me if I don't think he thought ohhh these guys are nothing I'll just kill them but decided to run from Yoda to save his plans
The reality is this... Let's just call the force battle even shall we... in the end the only clear winner of any portion of the fight was Sabers... and that belong decisively to Yoda.
Ok the cannon thing yes I agree
What does that have to do with anything " only knowing once you get there that doesn't mean that he doesn't have the experience of what you are dealing with for instance he already faced dooku like you said one of the most powerful force users in the universe and he can casually handle him so he would know that's the true dark lord of the sith would be more powerful and would know not to underestimate him so that makes your point invalids since yoda would have the knowledge of what to expect, "only knowing once you get there" means nothing He has had previous experience with sith power so he would know what to expect and no that can't be used against me you said in your example you would train all and prepare you just conceded to the fact that you would not underestimate him as he is the reigning champ and sidious is the reigning dark lord so no matter how powerful you are you don't underestimate the sith so you have been beaten on that score
No you just don't understand go to google and type in skirmish in the senate and read the info yoda knee that he could not defeat sidious when it ca,e down to the force battle and he also knew that the jedi and the republic was lost so he mean both so both you and I are correct he did mean that the jedi lost but he also meant that he lost his personal bout with sidious since like the Jedi under his leadership he stayed the same only using the basics of his style while PALPATINE adapted and adjusted to his new era having more than a thousand years of experience from a line of sith with knowledge being passed down so you have been beaten
Oh my god I'm starting to take what you say less and less serious, yes mace is a strong opponent but be realistic yoda and sidious are hardely separable in lightsaber skills with yoda or sidious gaining the marginal edge with a victor winning 6-7/10 battles with the blade purely now mace is second only to yoda in terms of jedi and could be beaten by dooku who yoda soundly defeated so why in the world would you say that palpatine would run from mace especially when the plan wasn't in action or finished since he needed to convert anakin and that was his way of doing it and notice that the three "ACCLAIMED JEDI" you speak of were cut down in. Seconds and mace even admitted that even if he sunk 100% into vaapad it would result in a stalemate and mind that's palpatine not at 100% so mace is a tier below sidious and yoda so if sidious try's with all his might mace would die
I understand why people say it's a stalemate but I believe sidious won the force battle and Im debatable about the saber edge and I certainly wouldn't say yoda gets the decisive not at all