Yoda versus Dumbledore (the Force versus Hogwarts magic)

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Except Dumbledore's nowhere near fast enough to do anything before Yoda blitzes his ass (HP wizards aren't even bullet timers, whereas Jedi have feats well above that)

As for fire, Jedi can be in near contact vicinity with molten metal, they have some pretty hefty durability

Fire well yoda has not been shown according to the movies since you guys love them so much not having that strong of durability the biggest durability is flying from the senate pod to the chancellors podium and then falling to the ground now the ground part he had a slight cushion when his nail carved into the podium now all of those things cannot amount to what dumbledores fire can do to him like burn him to ash

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Well hey by your own logic Dumbledore doesn't open up with the AK or whatever obscure ass spells appear throughout the series off the bat (or even use most of them for that matter)

Or just uses his massively superior speed to force crush Dumbledore to a pulp before he can think

Derp

Did you watch Harry Potter and the order of the Phoenix the second spell he did was a ginormous water takeover so kinda is his typical amo to use large spells early so I mean yoda could but he's going up against his Harry Potter equal the old mentor

Yoda turns him into his personal rag doll and breaks that old man in half, this is after Yoda tk's his wand and shoves it directly up his ass.

Dumbledore turns yoda into a pigeon before yoda reacts out of overconfidence

>Yoda
>overconfident

You are a terrible troll

Originally posted by StealthRanger
>Yoda
>overconfident

You are a terrible troll

Well as k said before it doesn't help when all from the movies we have seen yoda just stand there as a first move so all dumbledore needs to do is shoot avada kedavra and that it because yoda would just stand there as in all his fights in the movies

Not trying to be a troll so

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well as k said before it doesn't help when all from the movies we have seen yoda just stand there as a first move so all dumbledore needs to do is shoot avada kedavra and that it because yoda would just stand there as in all his fights in the movies

Movie Dumbledore doesn't use the killing curse, so since you have no trouble using tactics that have never been shown in the movies....how will Dumbledore fire the AK when Yoda tks his wand and speed blitzes him?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Now see here you go again
1. I said sidious was trying to convert anakin and actually when sidious is shooting lightning at windu with the intention of frying his face as to bring sympathy from anakin because in the film he says I have the power to save the one you love ou must choose and also he says the jedi are taking over all of these are when he is in a weak form when he is at his greatest sympathetic form and lucas himself states in the first seen where dooku is about to be decapitated he states that this is a test to see if he is capable or being truly the right person to be his apprentice so this would lead to the fact that sidious would throw the fight as the last step to convert anakin thank you so much for forcing me to watch the commentary good job

2 where in the book does it say that he came at him with all his fury, and since we are on the topic why would you say that windu beat sidious when the book says that even with his new found strenght windu could only stalemate him and then only manged to disarm sidious when sidious hesitated to adjust himself so in what way is that being overpowered and a true saber to saber defeat answer that
3. Good you concede that sidious did throw the fight and was only a pose to get anakin to join the dark side and as for the overpowered part as I said he was addressing the scene as a whole as we observed we see sidious get kicked as he knows anakin is just outside the door and will see me in this state and join me this is proven by since windu could sense anakin a mile away stated in the novel it wouldn't be far fetched that sidious would se se him just right outside the hall so he had to looked defeated so he would join him if he looked defeated then anakin would save him as to learn his secrets to save padme again the commentary has backfired my so called theories are slowly becoming facts

4. Yes I see you went downhill and now I accept your concession and one last thing do you have a brain or a heart or any sense of your own, is George Lucas like the brain that governs your every thought and every motion, let me ask you if George Lucas said that aayla secura would demolish dooku dooku by herself on a one on one would you believe him, if he said that the padawan who took out those clone troopers could crush anakin in a force duel would you believe him

You truly are a dunce and I typed ALL that with no proof to back up your claims. JUST AS I EXPECTED. Do you think you're the first Sids apologist to come up with these excuses and theories to try and explain his loss to Mace? There are much smarter and more seasoned star wars people who have tried and failed. They even admit there is little to no proof to support their theory, but believe that is what happened. Do you know what proof is? I mean honestly are you this dumb?

I ask you for proof stating Sids threw the fight... YOU CAN'T FIND SIDS.. EVER stating such a thing. You have NO narration from Anakin saying Sids did that. NOTHING from a third party point of view that says that. NOTHING. You go on and on about well Anakin saw sids at this point... the conversation with Anakin... THAT ISN'T PROOF YOU CLAIM. That is you taking very clear scenes WITH NO MENTION of him throwing the fight and try and extrapolate something from them WHEN NOTHIGN EXISTS. That isn't proof buddy that is you coming up with a theory with nothing to support it.

So do you admit that there is no narration in the book or the movie saying Sids threw the fight? DO you concede this point?

You idiot... HE SAID HE OVERPOWERED HIM. That is not an ambiguous statement. That isn't up for debate. What does him explaining the scene have to do with anything that doesn't support your argument you clown that support mine. YES, Lucas is telling us about a scene where Mace OVERPOWERS Sids. WHY would he say he overpowered him... when Sids was throwing the fight? WHY would lucas NEVER EVER EVER mention Sids throwing the fight. A key plot point like this was never mentioned in the movie, script or book yet you believe it to be so. Do you see how dumb that looks ?

WHY WOULD LUCAS HIMSELF SAY IN THE COMMENTARY THAT SIDS WAS TRYING TO KILL MACE. Think for a second you clownshoes...Why would he say that.. KNOWING full well that Sids didn't want to kill mace and wasn't trying to kill him.. but was in fact throwing the fight. HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE?

Why would Lucas have Sids says... as Mace says he's going to be arrested and stand before senate... Why does sids say no NOOOO you will DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and then fire lighting at him. Lighting so powerful that mace was breathing the fumes from his saber. This was some weak.. holding back.. throwing the fight lighting... HE SAYS NO YOU WILL DIEEEEEEEE. Only a moron would think you would say that while throwing a fight.

Lastly, Mace used shatterpoint to gain the advantage AND DISARM sids. He realized that if he broke the window... the floor would become slipper and Sids would have to compensate for that thus giving up some of his speed. THAT was the shatterpoint that allowed him to disarm sids. Later on he thought Anakin was the shatterpoint aand Sids weakness, but that wasn't right. However, he correctly used shatterpoint to disarm sids. Why would the book say this... when by your theory he let himself be disarmed. Do you see how dumb you further look?

NOw post proof or SHUT THE F UP

Originally posted by Silent Master
Movie Dumbledore doesn't use the killing curse, so since you have no trouble using tactics that have never been shown in the movies....how will Dumbledore fire the AK when Yoda tks his wand and speed blitzes him?

Doesn't mean he can't and that has been covered since movie yoda likes to just stand there in solitary position

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's also not Dumbledore's usual MO to fire off the unforgivable curses either, yet that hasn't stopped you from claiming he'll do so. so again, how is he going to cast all those spells when Yoda tk's his wand and speed blitzes him?

What vines?

Ok well there is still the matter of dumbledores usual MO to use transfiguration spells or other aggresive spells that would take out yoda oh how I love the diversity of magic

Where have you been

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Doesn't mean he can't and that has been covered since movie yoda likes to just stand there in solitary position

Just like Yoda can tk his wand and speed blitz him.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You truly are a dunce and I typed ALL that with no proof to back up your claims. JUST AS I EXPECTED. Do you think you're the first Sids apologist to come up with these excuses and theories to try and explain his loss to Mace? There are much smarter and more seasoned star wars people who have tried and failed. They even admit there is little to no proof to support their theory, but believe that is what happened. Do you know what proof is? I mean honestly are you this dumb?

I ask you for proof stating Sids threw the fight... YOU CAN'T FIND SIDS.. EVER stating such a thing. You have NO narration from Anakin saying Sids did that. NOTHING from a third party point of view that says that. NOTHING. You go on and on about well Anakin saw sids at this point... the conversation with Anakin... THAT ISN'T PROOF YOU CLAIM. That is you taking very clear scenes WITH NO MENTION of him throwing the fight and try and extrapolate something from them WHEN NOTHIGN EXISTS. That isn't proof buddy that is you coming up with a theory with nothing to support it.

So do you admit that there is no narration in the book or the movie saying Sids threw the fight? DO you concede this point?

You idiot... HE SAID HE OVERPOWERED HIM. That is not an ambiguous statement. That isn't up for debate. What does him explaining the scene have to do with anything that doesn't support your argument you clown that support mine. YES, Lucas is telling us about a scene where Mace OVERPOWERS Sids. WHY would he say he overpowered him... when Sids was throwing the fight? WHY would lucas NEVER EVER EVER mention Sids throwing the fight. A key plot point like this was never mentioned in the movie, script or book yet you believe it to be so. Do you see how dumb that looks ?

WHY WOULD LUCAS HIMSELF SAY IN THE COMMENTARY THAT SIDS WAS TRYING TO KILL MACE. Think for a second you clownshoes...Why would he say that.. KNOWING full well that Sids didn't want to kill mace and wasn't trying to kill him.. but was in fact throwing the fight. HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE?

Why would Lucas have Sids says... as Mace says he's going to be arrested and stand before senate... Why does sids say no NOOOO you will DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and then fire lighting at him. Lighting so powerful that mace was breathing the fumes from his saber. This was some weak.. holding back.. throwing the fight lighting... HE SAYS NO YOU WILL DIEEEEEEEE. Only a moron would think you would say that while throwing a fight.

Lastly, Mace used shatterpoint to gain the advantage AND DISARM sids. He realized that if he broke the window... the floor would become slipper and Sids would have to compensate for that thus giving up some of his speed. THAT was the shatterpoint that allowed him to disarm sids. Later on he thought Anakin was the shatterpoint aand Sids weakness, but that wasn't right. However, he correctly used shatterpoint to disarm sids. Why would the book say this... when by your theory he let himself be disarmed. Do you see how dumb you further look?

NOw post proof or SHUT THE F UP

Look who's talking the king of dunces and I think it's hard for you to call me dumb when you can't even think for yourself and use your own sense do you know what sense is? Or even a brain? I have given you proof and I watched the commentary for the ROTS from George Lucas along with interviews and I didn't hear the commentary you speak of but I will watch it again to make sure I have given you proof from the commentaries such as when I said lucas himself stated that sidious was testing vader when he killed dooku to see if he really wanted him to be his apprentice so therefore sidious would use his fake loss as a way to make anakin join his side and this is backed up by the commentary from the movie that I posted a that its a proven statement that yoda is a greater deulist than windu and sidious was able to go toe to toe with him and then he was in a constricted space so with those facts with that logic you must be an idiot to belive sidious would lose to yoda now if you deny this proof I know not to take you seriously

Did you go to english class you know they teach you to infer which means take your own knowiledge and facts from the sources and make a conclusion so that's what you do there doesn't always have to be explicitly there is implied as well and all of these facts lead to sidious threw the fight you idiot

Ok if you throw the fight you pretend to get defeated wether you get overpowered or not you throw the last result is you fake your defeat and I'm glad you said that because lucas meant that since windu disarmed sidious he considered that as to say overpowered to add drama to the moment and this is approved as all throughout the commemtary he says he does different stuff for drama and suspense so again use your since all throughout the deul with windu completely in vaapad he couldn't overpower sidious yet when sidious hesitates
so he must refer to him as being disarmed so windu is not really better than sidious you moron

Before you say that about me look at yourself you stupid idiot you are just all hate sidious that you don't even look at the evidence you just say no windu beat him you don't leave your logic but answer my question if lucas said aayla secura would crush dooku would you believe him

No I do not concede the point since there are inferences and logic that prove my point

Actually then why would lucas have sidious say power unlimited power if he was already trying his best he was holding back and the Lightning had to be strong enough so sidious face would look the way it did

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Ok well there is still the matter of dumbledores usual MO to use transfiguration spells or other aggresive spells that would take out yoda oh how I love the diversity of magic

Where have you been

Silent master read this so you concede that based of the movie yoda would just stand there for the first attack right

Yoda doesn't just stand there and let attacks hit him, I'm not sure why you got that idea from.

Now, how does Dumbledore cast spells when Yoda has tk'd his wand?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Look who's talking the king of dunces and I think it's hard for you to call me dumb when you can't even think for yourself and use your own sense do you know what sense is? Or even a brain? I have given you proof and I watched the commentary for the ROTS from George Lucas along with interviews and I didn't hear the commentary you speak of but I will watch it again to make sure I have given you proof from the commentaries such as when I said lucas himself stated that sidious was testing vader when he killed dooku to see if he really wanted him to be his apprentice so therefore sidious would use his fake loss as a way to make anakin join his side and this is backed up by the commentary from the movie that I posted a that its a proven statement that yoda is a greater deulist than windu and sidious was able to go toe to toe with him and then he was in a constricted space so with those facts with that logic you must be an idiot to belive sidious would lose to yoda now if you deny this proof I know not to take you seriously

Did you go to english class you know they teach you to infer which means take your own knowiledge and facts from the sources and make a conclusion so that's what you do there doesn't always have to be explicitly there is implied as well and all of these facts lead to sidious threw the fight you idiot

Ok if you throw the fight you pretend to get defeated wether you get overpowered or not you throw the last result is you fake your defeat and I'm glad you said that because lucas meant that since windu disarmed sidious he considered that as to say overpowered to add drama to the moment and this is approved as all throughout the commemtary he says he does different stuff for drama and suspense so again use your since all throughout the deul with windu completely in vaapad he couldn't overpower sidious yet when sidious hesitates
so he must refer to him as being disarmed so windu is not really better than sidious you moron

Before you say that about me look at yourself you stupid idiot you are just all hate sidious that you don't even look at the evidence you just say no windu beat him you don't leave your logic but answer my question if lucas said aayla secura would crush dooku would you believe him

No I do not concede the point since there are inferences and logic that prove my point

Actually then why would lucas have sidious say power unlimited power if he was already trying his best he was holding back and the Lightning had to be strong enough so sidious face would look the way it did

Here you go again.. .TRYING to extrapolate something from this convo (where nothing is mentioned about throwing a fight) a facial expression (when nothing is mentioned about throwing a fight) seeing an action by a particular character (where AGAIN, nothing was mentioned about throwing a fight) THAT is what you're doing here. THAT ISN'T PROOF and clearly you don't know what proof is. That is ONLY and I repeat ONLY your conjecture and nothing more.

Why do you think Lucas never bothered to mention in his commentary that Sids threw the fight? Odd isn't it? Why is it that in a book that goes into GREAT detail beyond the movie... what this person was thinking.. what that person was thinking... stuff not mentioned in the movie. Yet for some reason the book never bothered to mention this huge plot point of the movie... while having no issue mentioning little insignificant things that are major points... Does that make sense to you. I want an answer DOES THAT MAKE SENE AND SOUND LOGICAL TO YOU? All these things less significant are mentioned and yet this huge thing isn't ANYWHERE

Again, WHY would Lucas say that Sids tried to kill him.. the book says the same thing... and yet... according to you.. that was all a lie and he was really trying to throw the fight. That makes sense to you? Sorry bud, it makes zero logical sense. Yes, when George Lucas says SIds is trying to kill Mace and we see him do so.. YES I believe it. IT HAPPENED. Your correlation was faulty. You asked about him saying something we never see in a book or movie or tv series. That is ENTIRELY different than him saying something we see on screen. That is a 100% fact since it came from the director and script writer himself. Yet, somehow you think your stupid theory about what happened counts more than Lucas LMAO.

Either post any narration from the movie or book saying Sids threw the fight or I'll accept your concession on the matter. I want ONLY PROOF not your conjecture about random scenes and what they really mean later on. That isn't proof. Now either put up or shut up

Ok I'm not goi g to even read your,response since you don't want to listen so im going to ask you three simple questions and they require simple answers no long drawn out just simple answers

1. Do you honestly I mean putting everything lucas has ever said aside put your own knowledge and sense into this do you honestly believe that windu is a better lightsaber deulist than sidious

2. If George Lucas said Aayla secura would destroy dooku in a force battle would you believe him

3. Why is it so hard for you to beleive that dooku is superior to windu

Answer my questions first and then I will do the same

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Answer my questions first and then I will do the same

I've answered yours you just don't accept answers you don't want to here and you don't accept things that go against what you believe so answer my questions

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I've answered yours you just don't accept answers you don't want to here and you don't accept things that go against what you believe so answer my questions

You didn't answer them AT ALL... not even close to an answers. Try again.

1. Is it logical that Lucas would say Sids is trying to kill Mace, when in fact he was throwing the fight. You can't try and kill someone AND try and throw a fight. The trying to kill someone implies the exact OPPOSITE of throwing a fight. So why would Lucas say that, and yet never mention Sids throwing the fight?

2. Does it make logical sense that the book would go into great detail about what this person was thinking and that person was thinking.. even about NON major plot point.. Yet fail to mention IN ANY PLACE that Sids threw the fight? Does that make logical sense to you?

3. Does it make logical sense to you that Lucas would say Mace overpowered Sids, yet know full well that Sids actually threw the fight? Why not SAY Sids threw the fight, why would you say he was overpowered when deep down you know that isn't true?

Lastly, stop trying to use your terrible analogy. If Lucas says something that sounds really unreasonable and that hasn't happened in a book, tv show or movie.. no I wouldn't automatically believe it, but I would give it consideration as possible as it came from Lucas. That is ENTIRELY different than what we have here. Yes I will 100% believe what Lucas says about something THAT WE SEE happen. How can you not, IT HAPPENED. Trying to compare your example with that is just atrocious