Yoda versus Dumbledore (the Force versus Hogwarts magic)

Started by Silent Master48 pages
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Once again dumbledore wins via transfiguration. And based off of what you are saying all dumbledore has to do is hold a steady protege charm and when yoda runs into it, he will be repelled back and then dumbledore will transfigure him into a ferret.

If Dumbledore is close enough to have a chance of hitting Yoda, then he is close enough for the much faster Yoda to tk his wand.

IOW, per feats Yoda wins.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You'll have to forgive him, as he seems to think that hitting something from 5 feet is proof that you can do the same at 5,000 feet.

On a side note, that means he likely believes that movie Cap lifting around 1,000 lbs over his head means that he can lift 100 tons.

Am I supposed to be affected by this comment. And can you read. I said dumbledore can wait for yoda to get close enough to use the spell but not close enough to where yoda can hit him and also if yoda is running at such a speed once he hits the barrier he would be repelled back and then turned into a ferret.
I shall forgive you for not being able to read.

Again, if Dumbledore is close enough to hit Yoda with a spell, then he's close enough to have his wand tk'd.

So like I said, per feats Yoda wins.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If Dumbledore is close enough to have a chance of hitting Yoda, then he is close enough for the much faster Yoda to tk his wand.

IOW, per feats Yoda wins.

Like I said yoda is running and dumbledore is going to have a protego charm up and those are invisible and dumbledore wouldn't have anything else to focus on so he can keep up a constant barrier and once yoda hits it, he will be repelled back and then while trying to get back up he would be in the form of a ferret.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, if Dumbledore is close enough to hit Yoda with a spell, then he's close enough to have his wand tk'd.

So like I said, per feats Yoda wins.

Actually yoda will run into this if he attempts to speed blitz and will be repelled back thus giving dumbledore the opportunity to turn him into a ferret.

IOW, you want Yoda to ignore the fact he has precog and the ability to tk Dumbles wand and instead just blindly run at Dumbles like a moron.

Looks to me like you know that Yoda wins, you just don't like it.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yodas species is not stated to be immune to anything all he has is extreme longevity. So how wouldn't transfiguration work.

If you go by that than we are back to square one. Yoda just stands there for the first move and then dumbledore could just use any spell of that the case bit still dumbledore wins via transfiguration.

This isn't you proving that a Yoda can be transfigured and we know that even in HP, transfiguration has limits. Prove it or submit to your superior.

Now you're scripting that Yoda is going to stand still and that Dumbledore can use transfiguration at 1,500 feet. Two errors.

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, you want Yoda to ignore the fact he has precog and the ability to tk Dumbles wand and instead just blindly run at Dumbles like a moron.

Looks to me like you know that Yoda wins, you just don't like it.

Yodas use of precog was not shown throughout the movies. It was shown once and that was in his battle with sidious and that wasent even specific about the circumstance it just said that he would need to stay alive. It didn't say what for and it didn't say how long just stay alive. So I take it as his power with precog are not going to come into play. If that were the case he would know everything. Which he doesn't or didn't.

Also looks like to me you know dumbledore is way more powerful with much more versatility so you know he wins. You just don't like it. Yoda is one of those characters that I don't care for. I neither like him nor dislike him he is just there.

And I like how you said run like a moron. With that you concede that yoda would attempt to speed blitz dumbledore and with his lack of precog would just run and try to speed blitz but dumbledore unknowing of what his opponent can do would just put up a protego charm that when yoda hits it he will be repelled and while trying to recover dumbledore would turn him into a ferret.

IOW dumbledore said wins

Originally posted by Robtard
This isn't you proving that a Yoda can be transfigured and we know that even in HP, transfiguration has limits. Prove it or submit to your superior.

Now you're scripting that Yoda is going to stand still and that Dumbledore can use transfiguration at 1,500 feet. Two errors.

It actually does prove it as why would he be immune to it when nothing points to the contrary. The only thing he is immune to is telepathy other than that everything goes. We also never see anything that HP magic can't transform so why I'm the world would yoda be able to withstand that. What proof do you have that he is immune. Nothing that's what. The only difference between him and other species is that he is short green and naturally lives longer. None of these say that transfiguration won't work so you have an era in your little plot.

I'm saying that because you are trying to say that dumbledore said transfiguration won't work when you have no evidence that says it won't while I have evidence that says it will work.

Originally posted by Robtard
This isn't you proving that a Yoda can be transfigured and we know that even in HP, transfiguration has limits. Prove it or submit to your superior.

Now you're scripting that Yoda is going to stand still and that Dumbledore can use transfiguration at 1,500 feet. Two errors.

How about you prove your claim since I've proved mine. Everyone is equal a no one is better than the other. You are a serious troll saying these things. I've encountered you in previous post and now I know you are just a funny guy not to be taken seriously.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It actually does prove it as why would he be immune to it when nothing points to the contrary. The only thing he is immune to is telepathy other than that everything goes. We also never see anything that HP magic can't transform so why I'm the world would yoda be able to withstand that. What proof do you have that he is immune. Nothing that's what. The only difference between him and other species is that he is short green and naturally lives longer. None of these say that transfiguration won't work so you have an era in your little plot.

I'm saying that because you are trying to say that dumbledore said transfiguration won't work when you have no evidence that says it won't while I have evidence that says it will work.

You haven't proven a thing so far. You're insisting Transfiguration will work on a Yoda because it worked on something completely different; while ignoring the known limitations of the spell. You're committing a No Limit Fallacy, as noted.

I didn't make the claim, I asked you to prove yours. Nice try, trying to flip the Burden of Proof, not on Robtard's watch.

So prove:

A) Transfiguration will work on a Yoda
B) Dumbldore can effectively use Transfiguration at a distance of 1,500 feet (when we've seen it used up close and personal only)

Prove it or submit to your superior.

He has already basically stated that the only way for Dumbledore to win is if Yoda just stands there or he completely ignores his precog, senses and tk and just rushes into a shield that he knows is there.

IOW, he knows Yoda wins. He just doesn't like it.

Originally posted by Robtard
You haven't proven a thing so far. You're insisting Transfiguration will work on a Yoda because it worked on something completely different; while ignoring the known limitations of the spell. You're committing a No Limit Fallacy, as noted.

I didn't make the claim, I asked you to prove yours. Nice try, trying to flip the Burden of Proof, not on Robtard's watch.

So prove:

A) Transfiguration will work on a Yoda
B) Dumbldore can effectively use Transfiguration at a distance of 1,500 feet (when we've seen it used up close and personal only)

Prove it or submit to your superior.

Oh my I said it will work because Yodas species is not said to be immune to magic. So why would transfiguration which is magic be any different.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He has already basically stated that the only way for Dumbledore to win is if Yoda just stands there or he completely ignores his precog, senses and tk and just rushes into a shield that he knows is there.

IOW, he knows Yoda wins. He just doesn't like it.

Actually ok precog I do ignore since his only feat for it is not a big one.
I have moved passe him just standing there. I am going with yoda speed blitzing then getting pushed back by dumbledores protego and then dumbledore turns him into a ferret.

IOW I agree yoda could win but so to could dumbledore and based on the situation you have put yoda in dumbledore is the clear victor this is my last post as I've countered everything you have said and Robtard is consistently using crazy stuff to try and justify himself. So peace out and dumbledore wins forever cya on other forums.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Oh my I said it will work because Yodas species is not said to be immune to magic. So why would transfiguration which is magic be any different.

Another fallacy. Does it say anywhere that a Yoda is immune to ice-cream? Do we thereby conclude that ice-cream can kill a Yoda? No, we do not. You would have to prove that ice-cream can kill a Yoda, that's how the BoP works.

So prove your claims of:

A) Transfiguration will work on a Yoda
B) Dumbldore can effectively use Transfiguration at a distance of 1,500 feet (when we've seen it used up close and personal only)

Prove it or submit to your superior.

At least you admit you're ignoring some of Yoda's abilities. Now my argument has always been tk and then speedblitz, which means that Dumbledore won't have a wand, which in turn means no shield to stop Yoda if he decides to physically attack.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Movies sir TCW is not movies but still gods can't TK something 500 meters away. And still dumbledore can just turn yoda into a ferret case closed.

TV "feats" are allowed as per rules. Stop ignoring rules or you get reported,

Yoda's TK has been shown to work at distances much greater than the 20-30 foot distance shown in the the Mcg vs Snape fight (the X-wing swamp scene for example was at least 100 feet away). Thus he can freeze D'dore and simply take away his wand like he did Ventress. Sorry, buddy, but you have no rebuttal to this one.

At no time did the Mcg vs Snape fight prove the accuracy of spells at range.

You have lost this debate and you know it.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Actually ok precog I do ignore since his only feat for it is not a big one.
I have moved passe him just standing there. I am going with yoda speed blitzing then getting pushed back by dumbledores protego and then dumbledore turns him into a ferret.

IOW I agree yoda could win but so to could dumbledore and based on the situation you have put yoda in dumbledore is the clear victor this is my last post as I've countered everything you have said and Robtard is consistently using crazy stuff to try and justify himself. So peace out and dumbledore wins forever cya on other forums.

Hahahaha. This is the the most obvious and pathetic "knows he lost so he's running away so he doesn't have to admit it"' post I have ever seen.

Ppl should just point at you and laugh.

Wow, so now Yoda doesn't use precog? LOL

Every time a force user deflects a blaster bolt, their precog plays a part. They still explain in The Phantom Menace, IIRC, that Jedi reactions appear so fast because they know what will happen before it does, so are able to start responding to things before they even happen. This + enhanced speed allows them to deflect projectiles like blaster bolts etc.

Also, look here. Yoda foreseeing Order 66 and the Sith betrayal, from the CANON and RELEVANT Clone Wars series:

YouTube video

Also, stop with your biased scripting. Claiming Yoda is going to forget about all the abilities, skills and experience he gathered/developed over centuries and literally just run into Dumbledore, like a Forest Gump wannabe, is just pathetic.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Wow, so now Yoda doesn't use precog? LOL

Every time a force user deflects a blaster bolt, their precog plays a part. They still explain in The Phantom Menace, IIRC, that Jedi reactions appear so fast because they know what will happen before it does, so are able to start responding to things before they even happen. This + enhanced speed allows them to deflect projectiles like blaster bolts etc.

Exceprt from Phantom Menace script:

SHMI : He knows nothing of greed. He has...
QUI-GON : He has special powers.
SHMI : Yes...
QUI-GON : He can see things before they happen. That's why he appears to
have such quick reflexes. It is a Jedi trait.
SHMI : He deserves better than a slave's life.
QUI-GON : The Force is unusally strong with him, that much is clear. Who
was his father?

Source: http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-The-Phantom-Menace.html