Yoda versus Dumbledore (the Force versus Hogwarts magic)

Originally posted by Nibedicus
It gives you a reason on why he might have created a heatless pseudo fire.

But IT DOES NOT PROVE THAT HE CAN CREATE A FIRE WITHOUT GESTURES OR A WAND. You need to show him creating real fire without a wand/gestures to do that. Seriously, basic logic stuff.

Yes it is basic and that's why I thought it was so simple for you to understand.
Fire is fire, whether it burns or not, was the fire form the holy bible that God used for Moses, it did not burn him but it was real fire. This was real fire just had no effect because it's what Dumbledore wanted. If anything this furthers his powers by showing that he has a great deal of concentration and has a focused mine as he didn't even need to look. If you use your sense why would he try to burn his wardrobe what would be the point. It showed a greater skill if you see real flames and then see that the whole thing is just fine. That was real fire just the wizard who used it made it to where it didn't hurt anything or anyone.

Having a reason not to hurt someone when punching them in the face does not prove you can KO someone by punching them in the face when the only time you punched him in the face, you didn't hurt him.

The factors behind it. Like when vader fought Luke on Bespin and on the Death Star. He didn't want to hurt Luke so held back. This means that his full strength was not seen as with your analogy. If said person punched the other in the face but had a reason not to they could have been holding back since they had a reason not to.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
The factors behind it. Like when vader fought Luke on Bespin and on the Death Star. He didn't want to hurt Luke so held back. This means that his full strength was not seen as with your analogy. If said person punched the other in the face but had a reason not to they could have been holding back since they had a reason not to.

Yes, but as evidence goes, it would prove that you held back. It would NOT prove, however, the results of what could happen if you didn't. Get it now?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yes, but as evidence goes, it would prove that you held back. It would NOT prove, however, the results of what could happen if you didn't. Get it now?

Agreed. Using a non full powered punch as a benchmark, then say "Imagine if he was not holding back" is literally attempting to set a no known upper OR lower limit, making it an assumption.

^If you want an example, look at any DBZ thread

"Frieza could bust a planet, and the Androids were way more powerful than him, and Cell was so much more powerful than them, so Cell could bust a solar system"

"Cell could bust a solar system, so SSJ3 Goku could destroy the galaxy/universe if he wanted to!"

You take the best feat, that's the limit, pretty simple shit really

Ok don't follo what you are saying but ok

Point is, fiction is inconsistent and feats will be all over the place, same reason why shonen manga characters can cross thousands of kilometers in seconds, punch apart mountains and destroy planets with their energy blasts at some moments but when they fight characters on a similar tier to them don't even zip between cities and the collateral damage of the overall fight was comparable to a sub kiloton bomb

simple case of lolfiction really

Thank you.

Well if you understand now then you can't say Yoda's feats don't look impressive to you so they aren't, else I could do the same for Harry Potter

Well yes but like I said it won't come into play as all the fire spells I've said won't come to him head on except the mcgonagall spell

And, just force pull Dumbeldore into them? It's not as if Dumbles is some kind of glass cannon or anything. Also, prove that Dumbledore's spells could hit Yoda

all other will light him up directly or it will be to many for him to counter with two hands.

Or you know, just dodge, it's not as if Yoda's limited to running in straight lines, or as if he's not some incredibly agile ****er

Ashoka was not incredibly skilled in the force

This of course being a relative statement, one that certainly does not invalidate feats

and mauls must have been done in SOD

https://youtu.be/aE_CVWMWK74?t=371

Last battle of hogwarts. Those death eater flew so much all I saw was pitch black

I mean when they were hit by eachother's spells

There colossal power actually is shown on a planet scale as we see there blast blow up entire planets

By your logic they aren't because they don't do it in every single fight/situation they're in, and because most of their fights don't contain the planet being destroyed as a mere side effect, or only 2 characters in the verse have destroyed a planet

The whole "light shows and explosions" is pretty much par for the course with shonen manga series, as much as speed lines, afterimages and blurs are, it simply just a matter of stylistic portrayal, only feats really matter

Like yodas feat to catch a pod that was actually if you rematch that scene you notice something. On normal throws, he just threw his hand down and let the pod just go, however on the last throw if you watch sidious carefully he picks it up and glides it to yoda

What? No he didn't, he threw the god damn pods regardless of your mental gymnastic bullshit

and lol at "gliding"

So with that why wouldn't wingardium leviosa, depulso, reducto, spell used to turn glass into sand

I don't know mate, prolly cause you need feats

or could just apparate out of the way behind yoda or sidious and shoot them with a spell.

Force senses, precog and superior melee speed means, good luck blindsiding him, getting anywhere near melee range is suicidal

Well tbh I beleive the spell can stop the object itself not form blowing it up

So he can stop an object moving at Mach 7?

Whether he needs to think or not yoda can't cover 500 meters that quickly to where he can't think

"If I repeat the same thing over and over again it'll become true"

and if you saw his battle e
With voldemrot he shot spells out instantly showing that either he thinks incredibly fast or something but it doesn't take him a long time to think.

"Instantly" is not a definitive term. I mean, launching them in the time it takes him to think, which is for a human 300 milliseconds or something (?) is a reasonable thing to say

Or you could be dragging this out

*raise eyebrow*

Excuse me?

Originally posted by StealthRanger
^If you want an example, look at any DBZ thread

"Frieza could bust a planet, and the Androids were way more powerful than him, and Cell was so much more powerful than them, so Cell could bust a solar system"

"Cell could bust a solar system, so SSJ3 Goku could destroy the galaxy/universe if he wanted to!"

You take the best feat, that's the limit, pretty simple shit really

Powerscaling does not apply here as it is a question of whether or not certain actions/requirements are needed in order to cast a spell at a certain level. And each spell is different from the other and requires different things from the other. Some simple spells require wands and gestures (like fixing cracked glasses) while some complex spells apparently don't (like making a glass panel dissappear). Bottom line is that we don't assume someone doesn't need to do something in order to cast a type of spell unless he has shown that he doesn't need to.

And powerscaling is possibly the most undependable measure of the level of ability out there. And could only possibly (even then it is arguable) make sense in DBZ type anime where power levels are heavily alluded to and the writer(s) have been able to write them consistently. For example, I wouldn't apply powerscaling to Bleach characters as many of the filler episodes were written with little respect to power levels.

Case in point: comics speed debate. Flash has shown the ability to move/react at picosecond speed in comics. Deathstroke tags Flash. Does that mean Deathstroke has picosecond reaction speed?

Overall average showings would disagree.

Powerscaling does not apply here as it is a question of whether or not certain actions/requirements are needed in order to cast a spell at a certain level. And each spell is different from the other and requires different things from the other. Some simple spells require wands and gestures (like fixing cracked glasses) while some complex spells apparently don't (like making a glass panel dissappear). Bottom line is that we don't assume someone doesn't need to do something unless he has shown that he doesn't need to

Depends on the verse. Something like Star Wars would be questionable due to many different specializations in abilities, unlike DBZ where, if you're not at this level of destructive capacity, speed, etc and you're an actual fighter you're not worth of mention

And powerscaling is possibly the most undependable measure of the level of ability out there

It can make sense if done correctly

And could only possibly (even then it is arguable) make sense in DBZ type anime where power levels are heavily alluded to and the writer(s) have been able to write them consistently

What exactly makes DBZ consistent where other fictions aren't?

To say nothing of the fact that the whole "power level" shtick was scrapped after the Freiza Saga

Fiction is simply inconsistent

For example, I wouldn't apply powerscaling to Bleach characters as many of the filler episodes were written with little respect to power levels.

Filler episodes aren't even canon anyways, only the manga is canon (or it's generally assumed for verses where the manga is the original work)

Case in point: comics speed debate. Flash has shown the ability to move/react at picosecond speed in comics. Deathstroke tags Flash. Does that mean Deathstroke has picosecond reaction speed?

Inconsistenies and low end showings happen alot in fiction. Like Thanos getting beat by policmen, it's nothing new

On the other hand something like Goku vs Freiza, where Freiza's busted planets before, and Goku when he went SSJ outclassed him in every category, but he's never busted a planet personally, that doesn't mean Goku can't bust a planet himself, or that various characters after that level of power couldn't replicate the feats of someone like Freiza

Or Yusuke vs Yomi, where Yusuke at that point is slightly weaker than Yomi, only losing by the skin of his teeth, same Yomi who's on the same level as Raizen who bitchslapped Sensui, who's busted massive mountains with the shockwaves of his punches, but I can't think of a single person who says that the feats of a significantly weaker character couldn't be scaled to Yomi, Raizen or EoS Yusuke (unless you believe Sensui could demolish Yomi, anyhow)

List goes on

Or in MG:R where Jetstream Sam stomps the **** out of Raiden in a swordfight in the first mission of the game, same Raiden who chucked a ****ing Metal Gear twenty meters or so and played leapfrog with SAM's, Sam never performed those exact same feats, yet you'd have to be pretty retarded to say that Sam couldn't replicate BoG Raiden's feats if given the circumstances

Originally posted by StealthRanger
1) Depends on the verse. Something like Star Wars would be questionable due to many different specializations in abilities, unlike DBZ where, if you're not at this level of destructive capacity, speed, etc and you're an actual fighter you're not worth of mention

2) It can make sense if done correctly

3) What exactly makes DBZ consistent where other fictions aren't?

4) To say nothing of the fact that the whole "power level" shtick was scrapped after the Freiza Saga

5) Fiction is simply inconsistent

6) Filler episodes aren't even canon anyways, only the manga is canon (or it's generally assumed for verses where the manga is the original work)

7) Inconsistenies and low end showings happen alot in fiction. Like Thanos getting beat by policmen, it's nothing new

8) On the other hand something like Goku vs Freiza, where Freiza's busted planets before, and Goku when he went SSJ outclassed him in every category, but he's never busted a planet personally, that doesn't mean Goku can't bust a planet himself, or that various characters after that level of power couldn't replicate the feats of someone like Freiza

Or Yusuke vs Yomi, where Yusuke at that point is slightly weaker than Yomi, only losing by the skin of his teeth, same Yomi who's on the same level as Raizen who bitchslapped Sensui, who's busted massive mountains with the shockwaves of his punches, but I can't think of a single person who says that the feats of a significantly weaker character couldn't be scaled to Yomi, Raizen or EoS Yusuke (unless you believe Sensui could demolish Yomi, anyhow)

List goes on

1) I agree. There are works of fiction where powescaling can apply but many where it doesn't.

2) And that's what I'm saying.

3) I said "like DBZ", meaning "similar to". Certain works of fiction have inconsistent showings, especially when different writers take the helm at different times of its run or when power levels are less important than just telling the story or making it fun/simple. Comics are a prime example of this. Saturday morning cartoons are another (tho not all). With those, powerscaling becomes a poop system for establishing power levels.

4) I don't mean "fighting power levels" from scouters. I meant "power levels" in general as in "the level of how powerful a character is".

5) Well, yah.

6) It's an example to prove my point. Although, I'll admit I've never gone to the anime forums so I wouldn't know if you made special rules there about excluding filler "feats" in anime VS fights even tho they happened in the anime. We can use comic examples if you wish, tho.

7) And that is why direct evidence (like actual quantifiable "feats"😉 and average showings/portrayals trump powerscaling as it is a far better measure of a character's levels and limits rather than assuming character A can do X because character B has done Y. Essentially, powerscaling is an inferential kind of evidence.

The only time powerscaling should be used is when there is a complete absence of evidence to pin levels/limits of a certain charcter and we just need to make our best guess. Or when these powerlevels can be measured and scaled easily due to the nature of the storytelling. At no time should it trump or even match direct evidence when such exist and contradict it (although there will be times we will be excluding direct evidence when it contradicts average showings/portrayal).

8) This only really works because of how character power levels are written in Dragonball. Where there is a steady power gain and they all gain almost identical basic abilities (energy blasts, physical speed/strength/durability/etc) which allow them to perform the "feats" you mention that can be measured and scaled easily. And battles are fought to define differences of power/ability pretty clearly. There are many animes that do this and powerscaling would work/make sense there but this isn't applicable to all fiction, hell it's not even applicable to all anime.

Sadly, I think this might be derailing the thread. I am willing to discuss this in PM's if you wish?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yes, but as evidence goes, it would prove that you held back. It would NOT prove, however, the results of what could happen if you didn't. Get it now?

If you hold back, that means it's still room for more aggressive behaviors and attacks. Which means that the spell used by Dumbledore would have more aggressive behaviors if he saw fit to use it that way. Which means he would set yoda on fire without hand gestures.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
1) If you hold back, that means it's still room for more aggressive behaviors and attacks.
2) Which means that the spell used by Dumbledore would have more aggressive behaviors if he saw fit to use it that way.
3) Which means he would set yoda on fire without hand gestures.

1) correct.
2) not correct. You don't even know if that was an illusion spell or a real flame spell. You're just speculating.
3) really not correct. Spell with no heat and cast at 10 feet will not burn Yoda as it has no heat and cannot be cast on Yoda before Yoda flattens Dumbie with a force push.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Point is, fiction is inconsistent and feats will be all over the place, same reason why shonen manga characters can cross thousands of kilometers in seconds, punch apart mountains and destroy planets with their energy blasts at some moments but when they fight characters on a similar tier to them don't even zip between cities and the collateral damage of the overall fight was comparable to a sub kiloton bomb

Yes but yoda is not them. None of his feats remotely prove he can cover 500 meters in seconds. Isn't that all Dumbledore needs is seconds. If I'm remembering correctly didn't he make that firestorm almost instantly. It was definitely within the time frame of instantly being the moment he got his wand back he put it up or 4 seconds.

simple case of lolfiction really

Well if you understand now then you can't say Yoda's feats don't look impressive to you so they aren't, else I could do the same for Harry Potter

Well like you said feats don't have to be flashy to be impressive. But as you see Dumbledore feats ( not all )are actually more flashy and more impressive.
1. Firestorm
2. Water spell
3. Setting something on fire without even staring at it without a wand, or word,
4. Apparition inside hogwarts,
5. Able to go toe toe with voldemrot
6. Make fire that doesn't burn under water

And, just force pull Dumbeldore into them? It's not as if Dumbles is some kind of glass cannon or anything. Also, prove that Dumbledore's spells could hit Yoda

Dumbledore could still apparate. Do you honestly beleive yoda can dodge this:
https://youtu.be/xZTeHYpGq9E forever.

Or you know, just dodge, it's not as if Yoda's limited to running in straight lines, or as if he's not some incredibly agile ****er

Again you think yoda can dodge that forever, and all Dumbledore needs to do is think for like a second or two and with the firestorm two Dumbledore is going to set that b*tch on fire.

This of course being a relative statement, one that certainly does not invalidate feats

https://youtu.be/aE_CVWMWK74?t=371

I mean when they were hit by eachother's spells

By your logic they aren't because they don't do it in every single fight/situation they're in, and because most of their fights don't contain the planet being destroyed as a mere side effect, or only 2 characters in the verse have destroyed a planet

well as we see in their fight they always have like large destructive powers which means it's constant

The whole "light shows and explosions" is pretty much par for the course with shonen manga series, as much as speed lines, afterimages and blurs are, it simply just a matter of stylistic portrayal, only feats really matter

What? No he didn't, he threw the god damn pods regardless of your mental gymnastic bullshit

and lol at "gliding"

No he almost handed that pod to yoda basically saying, here you go yoda now I'm gliding it to you so you can throw it back ok. That's what basically happened. Rewatch that nettle and watch sidious on that last pod and see what he does differently.

I don't know mate, prolly cause you need feats

https://youtu.be/6Tbffj_04cI show the sand spell he could use
Also in the same movie we see Ginny weasely use the du to spell twice and as we can see it blows up the object, wingardium leviosa levitates objects so why wouldn't he be able to use the purpose the spell was created for.

Force senses, precog and superior melee speed means, good luck blindsiding him, getting anywhere near melee range is suicidal

So he can stop an object moving at Mach 7?

"If I repeat the same thing over and over again it'll become true"
Prove that yoda can travel 500 meters in the time Dumbledore can conjure that firestorm. If not shut it.

"Instantly" is not a definitive term. I mean, launching them in the time it takes him to think, which is for a human 300 milliseconds or something (?) is a reasonable thing to say

So you admit that to set yoda on fire Dumbledore doesn't need to think so long as 300 milliseconds isn't that long and plus he is a wizard and his intelligence is higher so his thought process would take less time and with that yodas on fire.

*raise eyebrow*

Excuse me?

Might wanna fix the formatting of that reply, sport....

Originally posted by Nibedicus
1) correct.
2) not correct. You don't even know if that was an illusion spell or a real flame spell. You're just speculating.
3) really not correct. Spell with no heat and cast at 10 feet will not burn Yoda as it has no heat and cannot be cast on Yoda before Yoda flattens Dumbie with a force push.

2. Fire is fire. Wizards control there magics meaning since you agree with number one you have to agree with number 2 since two is just a further addition to number. the fire was real again was the fire sent by God to Moses not real? Yes it was but it didn't burn him. Because God didn't want to hurt Moses. This proves that the fire was real Dumbledore just don't want to hurt anything or anyone.
3. If Dumbledore amps up that heat yoda is going to be ash. And getting close to Dumbledore like that is like wise not a good decision as he can set yo a** on fire without a wand. Also what about his firestorm and all the jest of fire going toward yoda as he gets closer to Dumbledore. Force push that doesn't flatten people it pushes you, hence the word PUSH. With that Dumbledore could easily just apparate. While yoda is about to get burned to a crisp.

[QUOTE=15171804]Originally posted by StealthRanger
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https://youtu.be/aE_CVWMWK74?t=371

This feat is not something maul could do on a regular basis. This was done during a desperate and dangerous and angry time so his powers were if anything amped by his anger and desperation so no this is not a feat worth mentioning because maul couldn't do it on a regular basis.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
2. Fire is fire. Wizards control there magics meaning since you agree with number one you have to agree with number 2 since two is just a further addition to number. the fire was real again was the fire sent by God to Moses not real? Yes it was but it didn't burn him. Because God didn't want to hurt Moses. This proves that the fire was real Dumbledore just don't want to hurt anything or anyone.
3. If Dumbledore amps up that heat yoda is going to be ash. And getting close to Dumbledore like that is like wise not a good decision as he can set yo a** on fire without a wand. Also what about his firestorm and all the jest of fire going toward yoda as he gets closer to Dumbledore. Force push that doesn't flatten people it pushes you, hence the word PUSH. With that Dumbledore could easily just apparate. While yoda is about to get burned to a crisp.

2. Biblical stories has nothing to do with this. facepalm. This has everything to do with you speculating on something a character has done and adding on your own crap even tho said character has never done what you're saying he's going to do.

Do you even know how proof works?

You're now literally just making stuff up cuz you know you've lost this debate.

3. He has never shown the ability to "amp the heat" of a pseudo-flame he's cast without gestures or a wand. He's also never cast a gestureless fire (arguably an illusion) spell beyond 10 feet.

His firestorm has never been seen at the range outside Yoda's force push.

And by flatten, it means to "to violently throw off one's feet" not literally "flatten" facepalm.

He can't apperate when he's KO'd by a single push. FYI, a force push doesn't KO you from you hitting the ground, it KO's you from the impact (many opponents are KO'd as soon as they're "pushed"😉. Meaning as soon as Yoda pushes him, it's night night.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
the fire was real again was the fire sent by God to Moses not real? Yes it was but it didn't burn him. Because God didn't want to hurt Moses. This proves that the fire was real Dumbledore just don't want to hurt anything or anyone.

😐

Originally posted by Nibedicus
2. Biblical stories has nothing to do with this. facepalm. This has everything to do with you speculating on something a character has done and adding on your own crap even tho said character has never done what you're saying he's going to do.

Biblical stories can be referenced to prove a point which in case this one. Also this is based off of fact. Flame in the flash back all we know is it didn't hurt anything. Flame in cave. Definitely hurt and possibly burnt some inferi so this proves that Dumbledore can turn the heat up on his fire if necessary.

Do you even know how proof works?
Do you know how debating works. I'm starting not to think you do because you can't counter this. Your only stance is YOUR PERSONAL BELIEF THAT THE FLame in the memory was an illusion. This shows that you have no real proof to back up your claim. So as I said fire is fire Dumbledore as seen in the movie can amp up his power of necessary.

You're now literally just making stuff up cuz you know you've lost this debate.
What have I made up.? This is based of off the movie. How have I lost. If anything you've lost. This is just a side note what if yoda were shot with the jelly leg curse or the spell used in HP soccerrs stone to tie Nevis legs together. Then yoda couldn't move his legs so then couldn't speed blitz him, then what if Dumbledore were to then use the I calcium spell which could bind his hands together behind his back. This spell was used in Order of the Phoenix by umbridge. Then what's to stop him from uaing pertrificus totalus to freeze yoda in place then do whatever else he wants.

3. He has never shown the ability to "amp the heat" of a pseudo-flame he's cast without gestures or a wand. He's also never cast a gestureless fire (arguably an illusion) spell beyond 10 feet.

ARGUABLY KEY WORD you have just conceded that you have no proof to that being an illusion. Therefor the fire was real just under dumbledores complete control and thus he could amp up heat whenever necessary and would burn yoda to a crisp.

Firestorm you idiot

His firestorm has never been seen at the range outside Yoda's force push.

You idiot what is wrong with you. That firestorm has reached the entire diameter of that cave. Imagine what Dumbledore can do with 500 meters worth of time for yoda to cover. Yoda would be a dead frog man.

And by flatten, it means to "to violently throw off one's feet" not literally "flatten" facepalm.

Biggest force push feat yoda has attained as of movies is force pushing palpatine who did not have a force wall up. He ended just fine and yes palpatine has more durability than Dumbledore but look at how flew and where he went. If that how powerful yoda is, Dumbledore has nothing to worry about. Still Dumbledore can just apparate once it hits, like if he feels something like that hitting him he could just apparate out of The way.

He can't apperate when he's KO'd by a single push. FYI, a force push doesn't KO you from you hitting the ground, it KO's you from the impact (many opponents are KO'd as soon as they're "pushed"😉. Meaning as soon as Yoda pushes him, it's night night.

A singe force push by yoda wouldn't help. All of the movies if I recall correctly
1. Maul pushed kenobi. Was a hole behind him and wasn't KO'd
2. During the clone wars kenobi was ragdolled yet he steadily got back up.
Episode 2. Anakin got his hand cut off and he had just been through force lightning and a deul with dooku.
Episode 3. Dooku force pushed kenobi once, kenobi got back up. 2nd time he collapsed the metal thing on top of him
When has yoda ever KO'd someone via force push. Only when has anyone ever done that.
Force pushes do not kill on impact.

What he said

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
A singe force push by yoda wouldn't help. All of the movies if I recall correctly
1. Maul pushed kenobi. Was a hole behind him and wasn't KO'd
2. During the clone wars kenobi was ragdolled yet he steadily got back up.
Episode 2. Anakin got his hand cut off and he had just been through force lightning and a deul with dooku.
Episode 3. Dooku force pushed kenobi once, kenobi got back up. 2nd time he collapsed the metal thing on top of him
When has yoda ever KO'd someone via force push. Only when has anyone ever done that.
Force pushes do not kill on impact.

Yes but yoda is not them

>the point
>10 billion light years
>your head

None of his feats remotely prove he can cover 500 meters in seconds

Aside from dodging and deflecting blaster bolts which have feats of crossing kilometers in a second or two from close range (think, less than 10 meters away)

If I'm remembering correctly didn't he make that firestorm almost instantly

Pull Dumbledore into it, problem solved, not like Yoda needs to get close to win here

Though you'll probably just ignore that again, ofc

Do you honestly beleive yoda can dodge this:
https://youtu.be/xZTeHYpGq9E forever.

Well, not forever, but certainly long enough to win, I mean, it's not as if it moves at any overwhelming speed yo

Well like you said feats don't have to be flashy to be impressive

Only things that matter is what happened

Again you think yoda can dodge that forever, and all Dumbledore needs to do is think for like a second or two and with the firestorm two Dumbledore is going to set that b*tch on fire.

Except he still needs to hit Yoda with it, and Yoda's much faster than anything in HP

well as we see in their fight they always have like large destructive powers which means it's constant

Are still nowhere near even country busting in their fights, iow your post is just a complete non sequiter

No he almost handed that pod to yoda basically saying, here you go yoda now I'm gliding it to you so you can throw it back ok. That's what basically happened. Rewatch that nettle and watch sidious on that last pod and see what he does differently.

>Sidious allowing Yoda to do something

You're a terrible downplayer

https://youtu.be/6Tbffj_04cI show the sand spell he could use

Turning a Senate Pod to sand is a tad above turning some glass fragments to sand

Also in the same movie we see Ginny weasely use the du to spell twice and as we can see it blows up the object

What exactly has it destroyed?

wingardium leviosa levitates objects so why wouldn't he be able to use the purpose the spell was created for.

Feats for wingardium leviosa or GTFO

Prove that yoda can travel 500 meters in the time Dumbledore can conjure that firestorm. If not shut it.

Been there done that 100 times, you're effectively stonewalling at this point

Then again given your double standards, biased scripting and ignoring feats, yeah

So you admit that to set yoda on fire Dumbledore doesn't need to think so long as 300 milliseconds isn't that long and plus he is a wizard and his intelligence is higher so his thought process would take less time and with that yodas on fire.

300 milliseconds is the thinking time of a regular human, guess what Yoda's way above? J..just guess

This feat is not something maul could do on a regular basis. This was done during a desperate and dangerous and angry time so his powers were if anything amped by his anger and desperation so no this is not a feat worth mentioning because maul couldn't do it on a regular basis.

Aaaand here we are back to "he didn't do that every single situation he ever appeared, that means he can't use it!!!111!!"

And lol at "amped", unless it was something like a battlefield where it'd make him far more powerful than in any other situation, we don't assume amped

And lol at "amped by anger", what the **** do you think Sith draw upon for power? Did you even watch Star Wars?

He's not ****ing Saiyan Saga Gohan who's only powerful when he's angry

I thought you said you understood, but it appears we're back to Square 1 here now

A singe force push by yoda wouldn't help. All of the movies if I recall correctly
1. Maul pushed kenobi. Was a hole behind him and wasn't KO'd
2. During the clone wars kenobi was ragdolled yet he steadily got back up.
Episode 2. Anakin got his hand cut off and he had just been through force lightning and a deul with dooku.
Episode 3. Dooku force pushed kenobi once, kenobi got back up. 2nd time he collapsed the metal thing on top of him
When has yoda ever KO'd someone via force push. Only when has anyone ever done that.
Force pushes do not kill on impact.

Or force users are simply that ****ing durable and it takes more than their bread and butter shit to do anything

It's like saying Superman punches Zod, Darkseid, Doomsday and they don't die so Superman can't kill people by punching them

You could use that argument in any fiction, really