Yoda versus Dumbledore (the Force versus Hogwarts magic)

Originally posted by StealthRanger
>the point
>10 billion light years
>your head

Aside from dodging and deflecting blaster bolts which have feats of crossing kilometers in a second or two from close range (think, less than 10 meters away)

What blaster bolts have we seen do that. I'm not saying your wrong but I would be nice to see proof of that.

Pull Dumbledore into it, problem solved, not like Yoda needs to get close to win here

Though you'll probably just ignore that again, ofc

Oh my. If yoda is in range to force pull Dumbledore into that then he is in range to get burnt up. He has to see the target to use the force right? And if yoda can see Dumbledore, Dumbledore can definitely reach yoda with the firestorm. Again he can apparate once yoda lifts him so to speak, he can just apparate back to the ground while yoda is getting burnt. Also based on movies yoda has never displayed that but that's beside the point, yoda displays his lack of multi tasking. If someone is doing two things, he is focused on one of those things. So with the firestorm he is completely focused on it. So with that even as a distraction Dumbledore could then use one of his spells to take yoda out of just get overwhelmed by the fire.

Well, not forever, but certainly long enough to win, I mean, it's not as if it moves at any overwhelming speed yo

It doesn't have to, once yoda lands after dodging one, once yoda lands another one is on top of him and then another, imagine how much bigger and powerful it will be with longer time to concentrate. This will be way to much for yoda. To handle.

Only things that matter is what happened

Except he still needs to hit Yoda with it, and Yoda's much faster than anything in HP

Yodas speed didn't save him from the impact of the senate pod. Meaning that when he lands a fireball will be right there ready to hit before he can react. Speed vs multitude. Multitude wins due to being able to cover more area.

Are still nowhere near even country busting in their fights, iow your post is just a complete non sequiter

>Sidious allowing Yoda to do something

You're a terrible downplayer

Turning a Senate Pod to sand is a tad above turning some glass fragments to sand

Hndress of glass fragment mind you and the object itself( u till the spell and its official use in confirmed me sing whether the spell turns only glass back to sand, turns objects to Samd or turns something back to its original form)

What exactly has it destroyed?
If you mean reducto, an entire person and with the impact an entire room.
Also a death eater manican.

Feats for wingardium leviosa or GTFO

In the sorcerrs stone three feats are shown.

1. Hermione levitates a feather.
2. Proffesor Flitwick the charms master uses it on a Christmas ornament.
3. Ron weasely

Been there done that 100 times, you're effectively stonewalling at this point

Then again given your double standards, biased scripting and ignoring feats, yeah

300 milliseconds is the thinking time of a regular human, guess what Yoda's way above? J..just guess
How would that matter when it's a contact spell. All Dumbledore does, he doesn't even need to stare at yoda and he can set him on fire so what does how fat yoda can process have anything to do with this. Guess what dumbledores is being possibly the most intelligent wizard of all time.

Aaaand here we are back to "he didn't do that every single situation he ever appeared, that means he can't use it!!!111!!"

So with that logic couldn't dumb,endorse use unforgivable curse or other transfiguration a spells as per movies it's not said or even implied he can't use them.

And lol at "amped", unless it was something like a battlefield where it'd make him far more powerful than in any other situation, we don't assume amped

Well when it's been show to be increased by firestorm. From a smaller fire that was meant as a demonstration to something to save lives.

And lol at "amped by anger", what the **** do you think Sith draw upon for power? Did you even watch Star Wars?

Did I say anger? If I did my bad I dint mean to because Dumbledore not a sith but a powerful magic caster.

He's not ****ing Saiyan Saga Gohan who's only powerful when he's angry

I never said Dumbledore was more powerful when angry.

I thought you said you understood, but it appears we're back to Square 1 here now
I didn't say I understood I said thank you.

Or force users are simply that ****ing durable and it takes more than their bread and butter shit to do anything

What will durability help against an instant kill.

It's like saying Superman punches Zod, Darkseid, Doomsday and they don't die so Superman can't kill people by punching them

You could use that argument in any fiction, really

Look this battle can go down in a multitude of ways. Each going for different sides. Some even going for a tie. If we go by this with the starting distance.
Here's how the battle from one guys perspective could go. Using a starting distance of 500 meters. Based off of current debate.

Dumbledore immediantly begins his firestorm. The first flames are made almost instantly and the rest of the storm is made. Yoda is currently running with his force augmented speed darting toward Dumbledore. By the time yoda makes it to dumbledores area a gigantic firestorm has already been accumulated, with hundreds of fireballs swarming toward him. Yoda uses his amazing speed to dodge the fireballs. However due to yodas concentration on one thing he will not be able to just get rid of it as he is focused on dodging the fire balls. As he lands and fireball is already heading for him. He does this a few more times until he is eventually hit and falls to the ground. He is then repeatedly shot with fire until he is burned alive.

IOW Dumbledore wins. Yes I know you will say this is wrong and biased. However yodas complete lack of multi tasking will be his downfall. As he,would be so concerned with dodging the fire he wouldn't even try to go for Dumbledore. Even if he did Dumbledore would still be alright.

Oh my. If yoda is in range to force pull Dumbledore into that then he is in range to get burnt up

Based on what? It's not like Star Wars has far better feats of range than Harry Potter does or something

What blaster bolts have we seen do that. I'm not saying your wrong but I would be nice to see proof of that.

*sigh* Really getting tired of presenting these every single damn time

That's Geonosis

As for Kasshyk:

http://i28.tinypic.com/205ay2p.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/wwg977.jpg

Blaster bolts travelling about a kilometer in under a second or so in two frames

Then there's Hoth

Of course, according to you "they didn't do that every time so it doesn't count" rite?

Actually nah, you'll prolly just cry outlier

And if yoda can see Dumbledore, Dumbledore can definitely reach yoda with the firestorm

Argument from belief

Again he can apparate once yoda lifts him so to speak, he can just apparate back to the ground while yoda is getting burnt

Still needs to think to be able to use the firestorm

yoda displays his lack of multi tasking

And Dumbledore can do better in this regard. Honestly curious I don't remember much about HP at this point

If someone is doing two things, he is focused on one of those things. So with the firestorm he is completely focused on it

Can you prove Dumbledore can use firestorms and apparation at the same time? 👆

It doesn't have to, once yoda lands after dodging one, once yoda lands another one is on top of him

Prove it, show me one feat from it that would make me believe Yoda would have any kind of trouble dodging a fire spell with no feats to it's name

And no, scripting is not a valid argument

imagine how much bigger and powerful it will be with longer time to concentrate.

Conjecture

This will be way to much for yoda. To handle

Argument from belief

Hndress of glass fragment mind you and the object itself( u till the spell and its official use in confirmed me sing whether the spell turns only glass back to sand, turns objects to Samd or turns something back to its original form)

Incoherent rambling

If you mean reducto, an entire person

Something you can fit multiple of on a Senate Pod.... right

with the impact an entire room

When did it do this?

In the sorcerrs stone three feats are shown.

Oooh boy, can't wai...

1. Hermione levitates a feather.
2. Proffesor Flitwick the charms master uses it on a Christmas ornament.
3. Ron weasely

So... nothing that would make me believe he could stop something as big as a Senate Pod? Okay

How would that matter when it's a contact spell. All Dumbledore does, he doesn't even need to stare at yoda and he can set him on fire so what does how fat yoda can process have anything to do with this

If Yoda thinks and reacts faster he'll make the first move. If Yoda's faster, he'll think faster

Guess what dumbledores is being possibly the most intelligent wizard of all time.

Guess, what, Yoda's a ****ing Jedi Grandmaster! Hey look at me I can use arbitary titles too!

So with that logic couldn't dumb,endorse use unforgivable curse or other transfiguration a spells as per movies it's not said or even implied he can't use them

If there's no implications he can use them, he can't. As for unforgivable curses, well I never said he couldn't

Also good for "Dumb,endorse", who ever the **** that is

Well when it's been show to be increased by firestorm. From a smaller fire that was meant as a demonstration to something to save lives.

What does this have to do with what I was saying?

Did I say anger? If I did my bad I dint mean to because Dumbledore not a sith but a powerful magic caster.

I never said Dumbledore was more powerful when angry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmrWeliK4fk

It's like you can't even read

I didn't say I understood I said thank you.

Well you could have fooled me

If you still didn't understand you should have just told me

What will durability help against an instant kill.

I was addressing your "force pushes r weak becoz force users survive 'em", so your post is just another idiotic irrelevant tangent

Exactly. So with that Dumbledore could kill yoda.

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You're an idiot

Spent the last half hour trying to fix the insanity which is your formatting. Only to have My Ipad crash on me and erase everything I worked on... Serves me right for trying I guess.

Can you pls fix your formatting next time? This is making my eyes bleed...

Since I can't do a per paragraph reply like I used to, you're gonna have to approximate which logic of yours I'm replying to.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
A singe force push by yoda wouldn't help. All of the movies if I recall correctly
1. Maul pushed kenobi. Was a hole behind him and wasn't KO'd.
2. During the clone wars kenobi was ragdolled yet he steadily got back up.
Episode 2. Anakin got his hand cut off and he had just been through force lightning and a deul with dooku.
Episode 3. Dooku force pushed kenobi once, kenobi got back up. 2nd time he collapsed the metal thing on top of him
When has yoda ever KO'd someone via force push. Only when has anyone ever done that.
Force pushes do not kill on impact.

1. Yes, "arguable" means there it can be argued as we could also call it pseudo-fire or heatless fire or imitation fire.

I don't have to prove it is an illusion. As I already clarified that There are other ways to describe said fire.

What is fact, however is that:

1) the gestureless fire has no heat.
2) it was cast within 10 feet.

Those 2 are indisputable. Fact.

You made the assertion that:
1) dumbledore can create real fire without gestures
2) he can do it beyond 10 feet.

Prove it.

Ohhh. Insults. You think I can get insulted by someone who's grasp of logic is so poor he can't even understand what "burden of proof" is or can't even google what a no-limits fallacy is. Lol.

I mean. Did you WATCH The Harry Potter movies! Don't you know how useful being able to directly set your enemies on fire from a long distance without a wand or gestures could have been????

I mean he could have used it on his fight with Voldemort and voldy would have gotten owned.

Never said the firestorm was short ranged you nimrod, I said that Yoda has shown just as far range with his force powers and all he needs to do is pull Dumby into it.

And your entire line of reasoning is faulty. It took Dumbledore nearly 30 seconds from the time he reached for his wand (his wand was literally 3 inches away before the camera moved away) to the time the first fireburst began and another 7-10 seconds before the firestorm was shown at full strength after the initial fireburst (and it looked like he needed to keep waving his wand to maintain it). You think Yoda won't have the time to push him into all that??? This is insane.... facepalm

2. Except you're using Jedi/Sith (who are trained to withstand it) to prove your point. Dumbledore is not a Jedi/Sith. 😆

Let's see what happens when force push is used against non-jedi....

Clone wars. Ventress KOs king's bodyguards with a force push. Phantom menace, Kenobi disables multiple droids with a single force push. Clone wars, Ashoka KOs storm strooper via force push.

All canon and admissibile via rules.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Based on what? It's not like Star Wars has far better feats of range than Harry Potter does or something

Today has never displayed being able to force grab someone or something without them being within eye sight so he would definitely need to get to where he could get a good view of dumbledore via movies.

*sigh* Really getting tired of presenting these every single damn time

So am I so why don't you just acknowledge that dumbledore will burn yoda to a crisp with his firestorm. Also per movies yoda didn't dodge any of those so not a feat for movies yoda. He most likley did it in the first episode of the animated series but those were form droids not the large scale weapons and also at a close distance.

Of course, according to you "they didn't do that every time so it doesn't count" rite?
Same reply above

Actually nah, you'll prolly just cry outlier
Same reply from two lines ago

Argument from belief

Based on fact because dumbledore didn't see Harry when he was under water being attacked by the inferi while yoda doesn't have ( to my recollection ) a feat saying he doesn't need to see an opponent to use the force in a telekinetic way.
Again I could be wrong.

Still needs to think to be able to use the firestorm

When yoda is 500 meters away he definitely has enough time to make a firestorm.

And Dumbledore can do better in this regard. Honestly curious I don't remember much about HP at this point

In all showings of dumbledore in a combative sense he has either never had to multi task or has created a spell that dealt with all the opposition at once. Example being firestorm how it took care of all the inferi at one time. If one thought of it, it's a stretch but one could attempt to argue that dumbledore was multi taking when fighting voldemrot trying to save himself and Harry at one time. However I wouldn't try as this agains feeds to my argument that he has used spells wide and powerful enough to take care of the opposition.

Can you prove Dumbledore can use firestorms and apparation at the same time? 👆

Well if you are trying to say the moment he lets go concentration the firestorm lets up, that isn't true as when he grabbed Harry in the movie he let his wand down and mostly his concentration of not by a little yet it was just as powerful. So with that he could apparate from that and then resume his assault once he lands back down.

Prove it, show me one feat from it that would make me believe Yoda would have any kind of trouble dodging a fire spell with no feats to it's name

https://youtu.be/qtFadZ1dooM this shows that yoda would be distracted by one thing and wouldn't t be able to just stretch his mind to the big picture. Also when he jumps why do you think it's impossible for a fireball to be right in his face attacking him.

And no, scripting is not a valid argument

Conjecture

You don't believe that it couldn't get any bigger with more time to concentrate?

Argument from belief

Both yes and no

Incoherent rambling

Something you can fit multiple of on a Senate Pod.... right

Also bonbarda which was able to blow an entire wall through. Point is reducto and bombarda are meant to blow apart objects so why wouldn't it be able to do that to a senate pod?

When did it do this?
Order of the Phoenix battle of the department of mysteries

Oooh boy, can't wai...

So... nothing that would make me believe he could stop something as big as a Senate Pod? Okay

I didn't finish the Ron weasley one. Able to take a moving club out of a raging trolls grip. Trolls are strong Arzent they .

If Yoda thinks and reacts faster he'll make the first move. If Yoda's faster, he'll think faster

Conjecture

Guess, what, Yoda's a ****ing Jedi Grandmaster! Hey look at me I can usearbitary titles too!

If there's no implications he can use them, he can't. As for unforgivable curses, well I never said he couldn't

In some way shape or form there are some implications that dumbledore can use unforgivable curses. Such as voldemrot known for his use of all three unforgivable curses, feared dumbledore meaning that he feared he could kill him stop his plans or anything, so with that it's implied he can use unforgivable curses, also the spells have dark purposes but can be used by any as seen in the movies when Ron weasley used avada kedavra Harry used crucio, Ron used imperio, so did Harry.

Also good for "Dumb,endorse", who ever the **** that is

Typo

What does this have to do with what I was saying?

Either you or guy with gamdalf saying something about the sith, but whatever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmrWeliK4fk

It's like you can't even read

Well you could have fooled me

If you still didn't understand you should have just told me

I was addressing your "force pushes r weak becoz force users survive 'em", so your post is just another idiotic irrelevant tangent

Actually dumbledore does have a durability feta to his name. Also if a palatine with no force shield up, a 60s year old man with no force shield can take that, now wizards lives are lengthened by magic as seen by dumbledore mcgonagall, and the former headmaster of hogwarts, Armando dibbet who lived to be almost 400 years old without the use of horcruxes or the sorcerers stone or anything. As for dumbledore durability, you may say this means nothing but just read. When voldemrot used that telekinetic blast that put dumbledore on the ground and broke all the glass as well, I would not say that the blast was so far away from yoda a force push as it was created by pure dark energy. So there is a durability featfrom someone who has no force/ magic wall just. His reflexes and spells.

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You're an idiot

I know you are

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Dumbledore wins via firestorm since they start out 500 meters apart. Also the length of the great hall for the deul used for snape vs mcgonagall is longer than you think. I went their for spring break and it's longer than you would think thus giving the accuracy of the spell more credibility.

Glad to see you conceded that silly transfiguration argument. Told you that you would submit 👆 Moving on.

Dumbledore gets Force-pushed into his own firestorm. Good job giving Yoda an easy way to win 👆

Originally posted by Robtard
Glad to see you conceded that silly transfiguration argument. Told you that you would submit 👆 Moving on.

Oh well it's a shame you could never prove that transfiguration couldn't work as there is no proof that it wouldn't and nothing stoping it from working.

Dumbledore gets Force-pushed into his own firestorm. Good job giving Yoda an easy way to win 👆

We have covered that if yoda does force pull him into the storm,dumbledore can just apparate from it. Also yoda would be to busy working on trying to dodge all the fire balls and yes his speed is enough if they came in a straight line or a predictable fashion. However as seen in the movie they don't witch means that once yoda lands on the ground a fireball is already right there ready to burn yoda to a crisp.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
We have covered that if yoda does force pull him into the storm,dumbledore can just apparate from it. Also yoda would be to busy working on trying to dodge all the fire balls and yes his speed is enough if they came in a straight line or a predictable fashion. However as seen in the movie they don't witch means that once yoda lands on the ground a fireball is already right there ready to burn yoda to a crisp.

Show me Dumbledore apparating while being Force-pulled and then show me Dumbledore apparating while he's on fire. Do this or concede to your superior again.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Spent the last half hour trying to fix the insanity which is your formatting. Only to have My Ipad crash on me and erase everything I worked on... Serves me right for trying I guess.

Can you pls fix your formatting next time? This is making my eyes bleed...

Since I can't do a per paragraph reply like I used to, you're gonna have to approximate which logic of yours I'm replying to.

1. Yes, "arguable" means there it can be argued as we could also call it pseudo-fire or heatless fire or imitation fire.

I don't have to prove it is an illusion. As I already clarified that There are other ways to describe said fire.

What is fact, however is that:

1) the gestureless fire has no heat.
2) it was cast within 10 feet.

Those 2 are indisputable. Fact.

You made the assertion that:
1) dumbledore can create real fire without gestures
2) he can do it beyond 10 feet.

Prove it.

Ohhh. Insults. You think I can get insulted by someone who's grasp of logic is so poor he can't even understand what "burden of proof" is or can't even google what a no-limits fallacy is. Lol.

I mean. Did you WATCH The Harry Potter movies! Don't you know how useful being able to directly set your enemies on fire from a long distance without a wand or gestures could have been????

I mean he could have used it on his fight with Voldemort and voldy would have gotten owned.

Never said the firestorm was short ranged you nimrod, I said that Yoda has shown just as far range with his force powers and all he needs to do is pull Dumby into it.

And your entire line of reasoning is faulty. It took Dumbledore nearly 30 seconds from the time he reached for his wand (his wand was literally 3 inches away before the camera moved away) to the time the first fireburst began and another 7-10 seconds before the firestorm was shown at full strength after the initial fireburst (and it looked like he needed to keep waving his wand to maintain it). You think Yoda won't have [b]the time to push him into all that??? This is insane.... facepalm

2. Except you're using Jedi/Sith (who are trained to withstand it) to prove your point. Dumbledore is not a Jedi/Sith. 😆

Let's see what happens when force push is used against non-jedi....

Clone wars. Ventress KOs king's bodyguards with a force push. Phantom menace, Kenobi disables multiple droids with a single force push. Clone wars, Ashoka KOs storm strooper via force push.

All canon and admissibile via rules. [/B]

1. No arguable means that it could go either way and you have no real proof only assertions to why you think it's fake fire when you know that a wizard can control his own magic, unless your crabbe from the last movie but he was not significantly skilled with magic, dumbledore is so he can amp up his power if necessary.

2. Whether the two are indisputable or not, does not change the fact that if needed dumbledore can cause the fire to have heat as it has already been shown that he used fire to prove to Tom that he was different like him, and by that time dumbledore was an exceedingly powerful and skilled wizard so add more experience and knowledge he definitely would be able to amp up the heat.

3. Honestly you aren't in a position to say anyone's logic is out of whack when yours is clearly needing to be fixed.

4. That might be a question you need to ask yourself and yes I have several times over. Favorite movie series.

5. It's been explicitly proven that he wasent trying to kill voldemrot, he was trying to defend Harry, so that point is debunked. This is proven by the flash back in the very last movie.

6. Again dumbledore can just apparate out of it. Poor poor person. With that logic with yoda showing just as much range, you concede that dumbledores firestorm would reach yoda. Also yoda would be to distracted by all the fireballs to,do anything to dumbledore. 😆

7. Really that entire scene in terms of timing was circumstantial. He was weakened at the time. And we don't know exactly how long it took him to get the wand but almost immediamtly sounds nice. Then if you watch the video correctly the first flames appeared after 18 seconds. Adding the time it took for him to get his wand is irrelevant as he isn't weakened and still has his wand so I'd say about 18 seconds based on timing form the video.

8. Well that was a mistake to use sith/ Jedi my bad

9. There feats don't count for yoda as Harry's feats don't count for dumbledore. Yes they are cannon. However yoda said feat is hitting a no force shield palpatine stay on topic please. Hitting a 60s year old man with no force wall up and then being thrown a minimal distance of 10-15 ft and not harmed what so ever makes me think that dumbledore can live a simple force push as he was able to survive voldemrot pure dark energy rage attack in order of the Phoenix.

10. I'm gonna tel, you a simple way dumbledore can win if the battle started in eye distance. Dumbledore could shoot out the jelly leg spell in which to take his sped out of question. Then hit a distracted yoda with the jelly finger curse to take his fingers out the picture but how about something from the movie. One simple spell that ends it all.

IMMOBULUS used by a second year hermione granger in the movie Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.

💃

Originally posted by Robtard
Show me Dumbledore apparating while being Force-pulled and then show me Dumbledore apparating while he's on fire. Do this or concede to your superior again.

Well you never dispproved yoda being able to get turned into a ferret. You just cried and howled about how you believe I dint prove he couldn't. Now the fact that the force doesn't exist in Harry Potter and firestorm doesn't exist in Star Wars if I asked you to show me how yoda could dodge a fireball not even 2 inches from his face more like the moment he lands it's right there, if i asked you to provide me with proof of that you couldn't as the tow powers don't exist. Also if yoda were to lift him dumb,elder can instantaneously apparate so he wouldn't be on fire as he wouldn't get to that point. Laos yoda would never force pull him into it as he is just to busy getting burned alive.

Also as a side note, not moving away from firestorm, Dumbledore can just freeze him place with one simple spell. From the length of the defense against the dark arts room in The Chamber of secrets. Take from the front of the room to the back yoda can be in that distance and dumbledore can freeze him in place with one si ole spell called IMMOBULUS. So I beleive you've conceded to someone who haven't been on this site as long as you twice now. Very unbecoming.

Originally posted by Robtard
Glad to see you conceded that silly transfiguration argument. Told you that you would submit 👆 Moving on.

Dumbledore gets Force-pushed into his own firestorm. Good job giving Yoda an easy way to win 👆

I think you conceded the transfiguration argument as you just glossed over everything and you can't prove transfiguration doesn't work against yoda so bow down to your new superior.

Today has never displayed being able to force grab someone or something without them being within eye sight so he would definitely need to get to where he could get a good view of dumbledore via movies.

Star Wars characters can deflect blaster bolts without needing to see them, what do you think force senses and precog are for?

So am I so why don't you just acknowledge that dumbledore will burn yoda to a crisp with his firestorm

>Yoda has pretty hefty durability enough to at least take some hits
>It's too slow to hit him
>Dumbledore is too slow

Take your pick

Also per movies yoda didn't dodge any of those so not a feat for movies yoda

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So, dodging blaster bolts, something pretty much every Jedi does dun count now?

He most likley did it in the first episode of the animated series but those were form droids not the large scale weapons

I take it you ignored where blaster bolts travelled kilometers in seconds, from blaster rifles?

and also at a close distance.

You realise that just makes it all the more impressive rite?

Based on fact because dumbledore didn't see Harry when he was under water being attacked by the inferi while yoda doesn't have ( to my recollection ) a feat saying he doesn't need to see an opponent to use the force in a telekinetic way

Irrelevant tangent

When yoda is 500 meters away he definitely has enough time to make a firestorm.

>still doesn't know what supersonic is

In all showings of dumbledore in a combative sense he has either never had to multi task or has created a spell that dealt with all the opposition at once

So, he can't then?

Example being firestorm how it took care of all the inferi at one time

Yeah, he's just using one attack there, he's not exactly using shields, AK's and firestorms all at the same time or something

If one thought of it, it's a stretch but one could attempt to argue that dumbledore was multi taking when fighting voldemrot trying to save himself and Harry at one time

... how?

Well if you are trying to say the moment he lets go concentration the firestorm lets up, that isn't true as when he grabbed Harry in the movie he let his wand down and mostly his concentration of not by a little yet it was just as powerful. So with that he could apparate from that and then resume his assault once he lands back down.

Scripting. Plz prove he could use apparition while he's using his firestorm

this shows that yoda would be distracted by one thing and wouldn't t be able to just stretch his mind to the big picture. Also when he jumps why do you think it's impossible for a fireball to be right in his face attacking him.

Video doesn't work. Because Yoda's much faster and the fireball has no feats to suggest it could tag Yoda

You don't believe that it couldn't get any bigger with more time to concentrate?

Show me the best feat. That's his limit, not really hard to grasp

Point is reducto and bombarda are meant to blow apart objects so why wouldn't it be able to do that to a senate pod?

That's like asking why a hand grenade could destroy a city because "it was made to destroy stuff"

Order of the Phoenix battle of the department of mysteries

No it didn't

I didn't finish the Ron weasley one. Able to take a moving club out of a raging trolls grip

Nah, I knew what you were going to say

Trolls are strong Arzent they

How strong are they?

Conjecture

So Yoda has the thinking capacity of a retarded child according to you

Also if a palatine with no force shield up, a 60s year old man with no force shield can take that

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Why does being a "60 year old man" matter? If he tanked it, then he did, old man or no. He could be a scrawny preteen who hadn't eaten anything for a year for all I care, if he tanked it, then he tanked it

ow wizards lives are lengthened by magic as seen by dumbledore mcgonagall, and the former headmaster of hogwarts, Armando dibbet who lived to be almost 400 years old without the use of horcruxes or the sorcerers stone or anything

What does this have to do with anything?

When voldemrot used that telekinetic blast that put dumbledore on the ground and broke all the glass as well, I would not say that the blast was so far away from yoda a force push as it was created by pure dark energy

Quantify this shit or GFTO

So there is a durability featfrom someone who has no force/ magic wall just. His reflexes and spells.

So, If Dumbledore has such a feat, he's powerful, if Palpatine has such a feat, the attack that affected him must be weak

Nice double standards

I know you are

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How old are you?

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Star Wars characters can deflect blaster bolts without needing to see them, what do you think force senses and precog are for?

Immobulus

>Yoda has pretty hefty durability enough to at least take some hits
>It's too slow to hit him
>Dumbledore is too slow

Take your pick

Immobulus

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So, dodging blaster bolts, something pretty much every Jedi does dun count now?

Immobulus

I take it you ignored where blaster bolts travelled kilometers in seconds, from blaster rifles?

Immobulus

You realise that just makes it all the more impressive rite?

Immobulus

Irrelevant tangent

Immobulus

>still doesn't know what supersonic is

Immobulus

So, he can't then?

Immobulus

Yeah, he's just using one attack there, he's not exactly using shields, AK's and firestorms all at the same time or something

Immobulus

... how?

Immobulus

Scripting. Plz prove he could use apparition while he's using his firestorm

Immobulus

Video doesn't work. Because Yoda's much faster and the fireball has no feats to suggest it could tag Yoda

Immobulus

Show me the best feat. That's his limit, not really hard to grasp

Immobulus

That's like asking why a hand grenade could destroy a city because "it was made to destroy stuff"

Immobulus

No it didn't

Immobulus

Nah, I knew what you were going to say

Immobulus

How strong are they?

Immobulus

So Yoda has the thinking capacity of a retarded child according to you

Shame but again. Immobulus

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Why does being a "60 year old man" matter? If he tanked it, then he did, old man or no. He could be a scrawny preteen who hadn't eaten anything for a year for all I care, if he tanked it, then he tanked it

Shame again but still Immobulus

What does this have to do with anything?

Immobulus

Quantify this shit or GFTO

Immobulus

So, If Dumbledore has such a feat, he's powerful, if Palpatine has such a feat, the attack that affected him must be weak

Immobulus
Nice double standards

Immobulus

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How old are you?

And I do believe that is a private thing and once and for all Immobulus

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
1. No arguable means that it could go either way and you have no real proof only assertions to why you think it's fake fire when you know that a wizard can control his own magic, unless your crabbe from the last movie but he was not significantly skilled with magic, dumbledore is so he can amp up his power if necessary.

2. Whether the two are indisputable or not, does not change the fact that if needed dumbledore can cause the fire to have heat as it has already been shown that he used fire to prove to Tom that he was different like him, and by that time dumbledore was an exceedingly powerful and skilled wizard so add more experience and knowledge he definitely would be able to amp up the heat.

3. Honestly you aren't in a position to say anyone's logic is out of whack when yours is clearly needing to be fixed.

4. That might be a question you need to ask yourself and yes I have several times over. Favorite movie series.

5. It's been explicitly proven that he wasent trying to kill voldemrot, he was trying to defend Harry, so that point is debunked. This is proven by the flash back in the very last movie.

6. Again dumbledore can just apparate out of it. Poor poor person. With that logic with yoda showing just as much range, you concede that dumbledores firestorm would reach yoda. Also yoda would be to distracted by all the fireballs to,do anything to dumbledore. 😆

7. Really that entire scene in terms of timing was circumstantial. He was weakened at the time. And we don't know exactly how long it took him to get the wand but almost immediamtly sounds nice. Then if you watch the video correctly the first flames appeared after 18 seconds. Adding the time it took for him to get his wand is irrelevant as he isn't weakened and still has his wand so I'd say about 18 seconds based on timing form the video.

8. Well that was a mistake to use sith/ Jedi my bad

9. There feats don't count for yoda as Harry's feats don't count for dumbledore. Yes they are cannon. However yoda said feat is hitting a no force shield palpatine stay on topic please. Hitting a 60s year old man with no force wall up and then being thrown a minimal distance of 10-15 ft and not harmed what so ever makes me think that dumbledore can live a simple force push as he was able to survive voldemrot pure dark energy rage attack in order of the Phoenix.

10. I'm gonna tel, you a simple way dumbledore can win if the battle started in eye distance. Dumbledore could shoot out the jelly leg spell in which to take his sped out of question. Then hit a distracted yoda with the jelly finger curse to take his fingers out the picture but how about something from the movie. One simple spell that ends it all.

IMMOBULUS used by a second year hermione granger in the movie Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.

💃

Well, at least you've fixed your formatting.

1) "Arguable" means that it is semantical but if fulfills every requirement of being an illusionary fire and none of the what makes a real fire. My proof > yours,

2) No, you have to prove that he can increase the heat of a pseudo fire. And you have not. Prove this with on screen "feats" or concede the point.

Essentially, I have proven it has no heat. You need to prove Dimbledore can give it heat. I have proven my point, you have not proven yours.

3) You mean my logic that has proof vs your logic that has nothing but wishful thinking? mhmm my argument is light years beyond yours.

4) Then you need to consider how useful a gestureless, wandless auto-hit unlimited range fire spell that (you're trying to shove down ppl's throats) would have been in his fight with Vodly. Unless you think he was too stupid to use it?

5) Um. Yeah, cuz trying to drown him in a ball of water isn't trying to kill him... facepalm. Yeah... Fail....

6) He can't apperate while KO'd from the impact of the force push. Sorry, but old man Dumbi is gonna be snoozing.

7) 18 seconds? Well, Yoda needs 1 second to KO his old face via force push. Well, I guess Yoda uses the other 17 seconds to smoke his pipe. 😆

8) Good.

9) Lol. Force push works the same for everyone. Only power levels differ. The fact that many much weaker Jedi's/Sith have employed it to the same effect means that KO via force push is not exclusive to one character. Hahaha. Desperate, aren't you?

The fact that you went "My mistake was to use jedi/sith feats" and then run right back to using a sith "feat" (and the most powerful Sith in the existence of the Star Wars verse at that) of withstanding a force push proves just how desperate you are.

10) Dumbest argument you've ever had so far. Yoda's speed is so much greater than Dumby's that ppl should just point at you and laugh for even suggesting this. He force push KOs Dumby befoe he can even say "Im-...!".

Let's be serious here Sids, if you're trolling, can I just go "haha! You got me." And leave it at that? But if you're seriously debating, maybe we can discuss your methodologies and tactics before proceeding? You already mentioned that you are new at this, and if you want to salvage any credibility for future debates, maybe we can discuss viable debating methods so that you can at least have a much easier and fun time while you are here? I am being very serious when I say this.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
And I do believe that is a private thing and once and for all Immobulus

Aaaaand now you're down to repeating one word answers. GG Troll 👆

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Aaaaand now you're down to repeating one word answers. GG Troll 👆

Well it's not that you've put me down to it, it's just that this spell ends the battle. Also I could go back to your endless paragraphs the paragraphs of a, not a moron, but someone who needs to reevaluate what they say. Anyway Immobulus ends this battle.

IOW dumbledore wins.

Immobulus does not outrange force push.

Immobulus requires that you aim a wand and say the word.

Yoda is so much faster than Dumby that this new line of reasoning of yours is retarded.

Winning after Immobulus requires that Yoda does nothing but look around like an idiot and wait for Dumby to follow up with a second spell.

Frankly, this is getting stupid....

Yoda force push KO's Dumby.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Well, at least you've fixed your formatting.

1) "Arguable" means that it is semantical but if fulfills every requirement of being an illusionary fire and none of the what makes a real fire. My proof > yours,

2) No, you have to prove that he can increase the heat of a pseudo fire. And you have not. Prove this with on screen "feats" or concede the point.

Essentially, I have proven it has no heat. You need to prove Dimbledore can give it heat. I have proven my point, you have not proven yours.

3) You mean my logic that has proof vs your logic that has nothing but wishful thinking? mhmm my argument is light years beyond yours.

4) Then you need to consider how useful a gestureless, wandless auto-hit unlimited range fire spell that (you're trying to shove down ppl's throats) would have been in his fight with Vodly. Unless you think he was too stupid to use it?

5) Um. Yeah, cuz trying to drown him in a ball of water isn't trying to kill him... facepalm. Yeah... Fail....

6) He can't apperate while KO'd from the impact of the force push. Sorry, but old man Dumbi is gonna be snoozing.

7) 18 seconds? Well, Yoda needs 1 second to KO his old face via force push. Well, I guess Yoda uses the other 17 seconds to smoke his pipe. 😆

8) Good.

9) Lol. Force push works the same for everyone. Only power levels differ. The fact that [b]many much weaker Jedi's/Sith have employed it to the same effect means that KO via force push is not exclusive to one character. Hahaha. Desperate, aren't you?

The fact that you went "My mistake was to use jedi/sith feats" and then run right back to using a sith "feat" (and the most powerful Sith in the existence of the Star Wars verse at that) of withstanding a force push proves just how desperate you are.

10) Dumbest argument you've ever had so far. Yoda's speed is so much greater than Dumby's that ppl should just point at you and laugh for even suggesting this. He force push KOs Dumby befoe he can even say "Im-...!".

Let's be serious here Sids, if you're trolling, can I just go "haha! You got me." And leave it at that? But if you're seriously debating, maybe we can discuss your methodologies and tactics before proceeding? You already mentioned that you are new at this, and if you want to salvage any credibility for future debates, maybe we can discuss viable debating methods so that you can at least have a much easier and fun time while you are here? I am being very serious when I say this. [/B]

How you want me to format makes this longer than it needs to be, but here we go again.

1. Because you say it is, I don't think so. Also it's highly logical that dumbledore can amp up the power of necessary. The defenition of arguable means able to be argued. Get your facts and defenitions together. So following you My logic> your assertions
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2. Firestorm.

3. I mean you have no proof you only have assertions that you refer to as logic.

4. It's like you can't read. It has been proven that dumbledore didn't want to kill voldemrot as it was Harry's destiny to kill voldemort.

5. Yet in the last movie it's explicitly stated that Harry Potter is the one who kills voldemort and also remember a little thing called HORCRUXES. So voldemrot couldn't have died anyway.

6. He has a durability feat that can allow him to not be snoozing. Also once you get pushed you haven't said what's to stop him from apparatimg.

7. Don't forget the 500 meters. Which will take more than 18 seconds to cover.

8. Immobulus ends battle definitely no debate.

9. How dumb are you again? I'm using Sidious because that the only force push against an actual person that yoda has via movies. So that why I used it. I said my bad because I thought I referenced dumbledore as being able to use force lightning or something.

10. Seriously your format makes it so different from others. Prefer old format. All I can say is thank you. I know we are on opposing sides but you are possibly only one who has shown me any remote form of kindness in your post for that I am grateful.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
[B]Well it's not that you've put me down to it, it's just that this spell ends the battle.

Well you just put that as a response to every damn point

Also I could go back to your endless paragraphs the paragraphs of a, not a moron, but someone who needs to reevaluate what they say.

'fraid you're not really one to be saying this

Anyway Immobulus ends this battle.

Too bad Dumbledore won't be able to use it before he gets blitzed, which you continue to ignore

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Immobulus does not outrange force push.

Immobulus requires that you aim a wand and say the word.

Yoda is so much faster than Dumby that this new line of reasoning of yours is retarded.

Winning after Immobulus requires that Yoda does nothing but look around like an idiot and wait for Dumby to follow up with a second spell.

Frankly, this is getting stupid....

Yoda force push KO's Dumby.

1. Based on my understanding of what you are saying, I take it that you are saying yoda can just use the force from 500 meters away and it hit dumbledore and that it. He has never displayed that so via rules ( I know your probably gonna say double standards but I'm trying) he can't. He would need to get up close and personal. Also take into fact that this was a 2nd year hermione. This is a celebrated, beloved, feared, respected, powerful person who has used speech magic once. This shows that he doesn't use words anymore at least not much. Also she had to put her wand in the air dumbledore doesn't. So with that with the range of the spell dumbledore could use the spell and freeze yoda. Also to her perspective possibly, from the back of the room, the pixies could have looked like little blurs of blue so this shows dumb,elder could use this even if yoda is a blur of green from a distance.