John McClane versus Indiana Jones

Started by Nightstick14 pages

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And how does killing 15 soldiers with a zippo help Mac in this thread, in the fight scenario? Indy wont be on a plane, and there will be no jet fuel on the ground.

This is the problem, people are bringing up feats that are of no relevance. All that matters here are hand to hand feats. **** guns, **** zippos, **** SUV's. They are in a bare metal room and have to duke it out hand to hand.

At this point in thread(and i'll admitt it's a bit off topic) we were discuss kill count. Not hand to hand ability.

While I contend based on on what we have seen from both. Indy would win a straight hand to hand confrontation. It is a bit tricky because we have seen little in the way of straight up fist-a-cuffs from either. That said of what we have seen from both i'd rate Indy's as better. Though even if it weren't his reaction time, dexterity, and toughness advantages would more then make up the difference.

That of course is all based on rubbish that Indy can not only punch at "2k PSI", but somehow faces tougher opponents, when it's a fact he doesn't and didn't.

But hey, fact-avoidance is fun when you're desperately trying to win an argument, you keep it up. 🙂

Originally posted by Nightstick
Okay guys all the McClane would wreck the Third Reich on his own stuff is "cute", but lets be honest folks it took McClane something like an hour and a half(film time, in universe it was more like a day) to take out something like 12 terrorists. Look back at the posted clips here..

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=478733&pagenumber=7

Indy takes out more guys in less then 10 minutes then McClane did in the entire first movie.

Look at the convoy chase scene. Starting on horse back with out weapons. Indy takes out a car, a truck, a motorcycle, and a squad of soldiers.

Near the end of said scene he gets shot and keeps going. The closest he gets to medical treatment is a field dressing. When McClane gets shot or seriously injured he leaves in an ambulance. Not Indy.

As for complaints about Indy's soppy romance scenes. At least he never had a teary eyed hug scene with another man like McClane did with Al.

Lets get back to number though. How many guys did Hans have 12 or so, how many did Stuart have 10-20 maybe, Now Simon had a goodly number(but how many did McClane take out), Gabriel again had handfull(maybe a platoon size at best). So Indy more or less took out more guys in the convoy scene then McClane did in any indivual movie. Heck Indy took out 5-6 guys with one bullet in moments. Mind you thats something like half the number of guys Hans had so Indy did in seconds what it took McClane half a movie to do. In other words if one of them can take on Armies its Indy. How do we know this. Well because he has. It also means Indy is far more of a "killing machine" then McClane. They is a very serious chance that Indy killed more people in Raiders then McClane has in all his movies put together.

I'm sure you guys will ramble about how McClanes enemies are tougher with out really showing any evidence, but it makes no difference. Everything McClane does would be a day at the office for Indy.

Heheehehe you were right to sense to facetiousness.

In reality McClane would have died in the attempt against those numbers in that setting.

But obviously the third reich would be less a Hitler and maybe a couple of officers too, before the exchange was through, as McClane doesnt collaborate with the enemy like Indy.

Nice to see that you are still rambling about an alleged ramble.
I like that ironic quality of about your humour, dude.

Nah. Indy would have been f**ked in the 1st DH on the roof, when he needed to try to let the outside world know the building was taken over as his knowledge of Police frequencies on modern hi-tech radios... modern weapons... Indy wouldnt have known what that hockey puck looking grenade was until it had gone off....so he would have died in the computer room in the fight-for-the-detonators battle.
Hell even the hi-techness of the building would have mess indy up, Im sure.

Not to mention he is too elderly to have made it through the rigorous test that is the Nakatomi scenario. Karl's brother would probably have mowed Indy down as soon as Indy came out to surrender/collude, believing Karl's Bro about all that "Come out my friend, you might as well come and join the others...." stuff.

I'd root for Indy the whole way through.

Although Mclane's 4th movie was better than Indy's 4th.

As for 1st, they are both pretty damn good.

2nd, I'd give to the Temple of Doom.

3rd, I'd give to the Last Crusade.

"Go Get 'Em Han Solo!"

Like Jones, Solo got old and mellowed to be a pussy.

Both like wearing the enemy's uniform too.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Like Jones, Solo got old and mellowed to be a pussy.

Both like wearing the enemy's uniform too.

Course he did. Stormtroopers have a SICK costume.

Did you just simultaneously call both Indiana Jones AND Han Solo pussies?

They made me do it. Im self flagulating right now.

I feel unclean.

I hate what these debates force you top say at times.

Its horrible. I know.

I so hate myself now and will have to rewatch Raiders and A New Hope to regain my respect for these characters, but its true.

Han Solo: Bad mofo> Ends pussied out over Leia.
Indiana Jones> Ends an OAP, pussied out thouroughly by Marion.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And how does killing 15 soldiers with a zippo help Mac in this thread, in the fight scenario? Indy wont be on a plane, and there will be no jet fuel on the ground.

This is the problem, people are bringing up feats that are of no relevance. All that matters here are hand to hand feats. **** guns, **** zippos, **** SUV's. They are in a bare metal room and have to duke it out hand to hand.

Well that you ask the question shows us how youve been missing the point.

Not only is the Zippo feat a great death count feat, but it was symbolic of adaptive thinking, a lot of McClane brand self-aided-luck and the ruthless will to win combined with low down dirty play.

Three reasons, along with the ugly fact that this will be Die Hard 4.0 McClane beating up on a pensioner* Jones why assertions of a Jones victory are highly laughable.

Good. Metal walls. More things for McClane to smash Indy's head all the f**k over. 🙂

* A pensioner who even BEFORE he got old, only ever punched great big slow telegraphed single shots that would leave anyone exposed to counters (Something we see exploited in Raiders of the Lost ark and any other time we see him fight someone who knows what they're doing.)

Tell me, what does McClanes penis taste like? Does he trim his pubes? How about when he shoots his load? Does he grab your ears and laugh, or does he throw his head back and say yippy ki ya mother****er?

Some people cope by drinking, others cut themselves in the shower, I simply pretend Temple of Doom and Kingdom of The Crystal Skull simply don't exist. Only the bad-ass that was Indy in Raiders and Crusade count.

Oh my....

http://www.bullz-eye.com/entertainment/features/2007/bad_ass_bracket/round4/john_mcclane_v_indiana_jones.htm

Teehee

http://www.bullz-eye.com/entertainment/features/2007/bad_ass_bracket/bracket.htm

LoL, while it's close and this fight would be close, it's clearly biased crap. Just look:

Definitive badass moment: While pretending to laugh at Hans Gruber’s awful German pronunciation of the phrase, “Yippee-ki-yay, mother****er,” McClane whips out the gun he’d strapped to his back with Christmas wrapping tape, shoots Hans, then nails Gruber’s henchman right in the forehead for good measure. “Happy trails, Hans,” smirks McClane.

Is somehow lesser than this:

Definitive badass moment: When facing a sword-wielding assassin who boastfully demonstrates his dexterity with his blade, Jones shrugs, pulls out his revolver, and shoots the guy dead in his tracks.

B.S.

AHAHAHAHAHAAAAHHAHAHAHA 😱

http://celebrityscraps.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/indy-wins/

This is clearly based solely on someone's fanboyism of Indy, go see that bracket, total B.S.

I'll admit, Indy is one of the most likable characters, but that shouldn't factor into an objective debate.

People vote on the fight, it isn't one person deciding the winner. The roster is full of badasses on both sides.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
People vote on the fight, it isn't one person deciding the winner. The roster is full of badasses on both sides.

And those voting are clearly just voting on which character they like better; just like I said, Indy is a very likeable character, an icon some would say.

That roster had nothing to do with who proved the better fighter/warrior on screen. Unless you really think Snake Plisken is going down to Lector? Or That Doc Holiday is going to be outgunned by Indy?

Aw, lookie lookie, someone doesnt like the music.

Pretty sure all factors are taken into account, and seeing how Lecter is light years ahead of Snake in intelligence and devious as hell, I'd say it's feasible. If its a straight up gunfight, durh, Lecter gets pwned.

And I am sure Indy isn't gonna quick draw against Holliday. It's gonna be a seek cover shootout.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Aw, lookie lookie, someone doesnt like the music.

Pretty sure all factors are taken into account, and seeing how Lecter is light years ahead of Snake in intelligence and devious as hell, I'd say it's feasible. If its a straight up gunfight, durh, Lecter gets pwned.

And I am sure Indy isn't gonna quick draw against Holliday. It's gonna be a seek cover shootout.

Well then, you must agree with the entire bracket then. Funny and I'll keep that in mind for future debates.

BTW, did you even read the Indy Vs Doc one? Doc's going down because supposedly he won't be able to deal with Indy's whip, a ****ing whip to a gun fight. LoL.

Originally posted by Robtard
Well then, you must agree with the entire bracket then. Funny and I'll keep that in mind for future debates.

BTW, did you even read the Indy Vs Doc one? Doc's going down because supposedly he won't be able to deal with Indy's whip, a ****ing whip to a gun fight. LoL.

Well, Doc carries a sixer, when he stops to reload, Indy whips it away from him.