Originally posted by Battlehammeryeah, all marvel editors over the years are just lazy ignorant retards right?
Because there lazy, dont have the info, really are not an authority on the matter ect. Or the fact marvel them selfs know how inaccurate there own hand books are. There secondary sources which are consistently wrong. on pannel statements and feats>>>>>hand books simple as that.
surely, they don't know as much about wolverine as you do 🙄
Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah, all marvel editors over the years are just lazy ignorant retards right?surely, they don't know as much about wolverine as you do 🙄
I mean i guess doom as class 2 strength right 🙄
Originally posted by Starscream M
doom's strength fluctuates due to his armor...wolverine's doesn't. nice try though.
or how about rouge beeing stated as niormal human in strength when she a 50 tonner list goes on an on.
oh and wolverine strength can fluctuate.
pleases this sad attempt to trying to make Hand book more then they are wont work. It a fact there inaccurate and 2ndary sources as well. It a fact we take comic evidence over hand book every time. it also a fact your simply annoying
Originally posted by Battlehammeroh i never said handbooks trumped comic evidence, my whole point is that the handbook is consistent with logan's comic showings, more or lesspleases this sad attempt to trying to make Hand book more then they are wont work. It a fact there inaccurate and 2ndary sources as well. It a fact we take comic evidence over hand book every time. it also a fact your simply annoying
you only provided 3 shitty examples, none of which clearly demonstrate him to be a 2 tonner
Originally posted by Starscream M
doom's strength fluctuates due to his armor...wolverine's doesn't. nice try though.
when in the hell do we use only bio's to gauge strength and power here?
we use on panel confirmation as well and we use on panel showing over written description of abilities.
marvel and DC constantly screw up. hence, why they have constant updates every few yrs.
logan was not using the support of the pulley to hold on to the elevator his stength wasnt augmented by it either. he was plainly holding the elevator cable with his grip from both ends the pulley system had nothing to do with it whatsoever.
i am also surprised you havent bn banned yet by your obvious trolling. that h=brings nothing to the discussion here.
Originally posted by Starscream M
oh i never said handbooks trumped comic evidence, my whole point is that the handbook is consistent with logan's comic showings, more or lessyou only provided 3 shitty examples, none of which clearly demonstrate him to be a 2 tonner
ecpt the hand books arnt consistent with one another, some say he has normal human strength some say peak human other say enhanced human, other say superhuman ect. Hell many of the hand book say that sword stabs take days even weeks for him to heal........
your just talking out your ass now.
Originally posted by ankur29[/B][/QUOTE]
http://s715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/ankur2113/?action=view¤t=page51.jpgalso there was an inciednt in which logan was dragging a tied up or unconscius hulk( marvel knight wolverine and hulk) he was putting alot of effort into doing so from what i can remember, hulk only weighs like 1400lbs , and dragging is much easier than press lifting 😮
then why aren't you milking this for what its worth , i,e if it was a 2000-3000 lbs (1 - 1.5 ton) shark logan would have to be lift like more than 5 tons to throw it above his head several feet the way he did ( i,e if i can press 50kg above my head, i would still heavily struggle to throw 15kg 'fish' (the shark in this human analogy) with it's weight awkwardly distributed clear of several feet above my head.
It seems that that you feel a bit timid stating logan deseves to be part of the 2 ton scene, showing you have very little faith in the credibility feat hence why you try to gauge logan's strength quite minimally (2 tons is not enough to throw the shark )
this is also the case with jinzin , who showed the feat of sabretooth breaking the barrier capable of stopping a charging elephant, i calculated creed would have to be class 75 to acoomplish anything of the sort , then again there is him fighting "clas 75,50's and three shortting them , his owns fans ignore this and seem happier with class 20-25( a quarter of thrid of what his strength shoudl be from feats like this) , this just shows how feats like that are considered silly by the charecters fans , they too have little faith in the credibility of the feat hence undermining the true strength displayed in a riduclous feat that is out of charecter
Slight problem here.
Sabretooth's feat is what? 75 tons if you use the highest figures humanly possible. While Sabretooth's feat would still be around 50 tons of force at more minimal figures, here's the thing: I realize it's a high end feat. But it IS a feat of strength. His feats of strength EASILY put him in the 15-20 ton range, beyond that even? Sure... but you have to at some point note that the feats easily exceed his limitations and bring validity to the guesstimated figures of Sabretooth's 15-20 tons and Wolverine's 2 tons.
When you have people who try to lowball these characters and place them in a strength category below what they've seemingly performed at consistently, you have to conteract the lowballing with highbrowsing and realize that the truth really lies somewhere in between. This is why we don't milk these feats for what they're worth; They are easily high end feats, but they also strip away the doubt that they can perform a feat OF the nature of 2 or 15 tons when people who don't like the characters or whatever say they can't.
Wolverine's not typically going to gorilla press 2 tons without effort, but to think his typical limit is in the two ton area is not unthinkable given what he's done, same thing for Sabretooth.
Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah, all marvel editors over the years are just lazy ignorant retards right?surely, they don't know as much about wolverine as you do 🙄
Let's be honest here... Most probably DON'T know as much as me and Hammer. Wolverine's our guy! We make it a point to note all of his appearances and performances, and EU literature etc... When you have Marvel writers thinking Wolverine's going to beat Shang Chi using street brawling tactics because he's not as skilled as Chi and editors saying, that's okay, but THEN having handbook writers saying Wolverine has not only learned but MASTERED almost every style of combat known to man and having more editors saying that's okay too... you know there's some ignorance going around somewhere and it's obviously not from our end. 😐
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
It also sounds to me that you are just trying to goat ppl here. 😖hifty:
I¡¦m sorry you feel that way, but I did say earlier my idea was that wolverine/sabre tooth fans undermine his strength feats as they feel the feat is not credible, and within character limits. his owns fans seem to ignore this and are m happier a quarter of third of what his strength should be from high end feats , I thought it this just showed how feats like that are considered silly by the characters fans , they too have little faith in the credibility of the feat hence undermining the true strength displayed
Originally posted by jinzinSlight problem here.
Sabretooth's feat is what? 75 tons if you use the highest figures humanly possible.
While Sabretooth's feat would still be around 50 tons of force at more minimal figures, here's the thing: I realize it's a high end feat. But it IS a feat of strength. His feats of strength EASILY put him in the 15-20 ton range, beyond that even? Sure... but you have to at some point note that the feats easily exceed his limitations and bring validity to the guesstimated figures of Sabretooth's 15-20 tons and Wolverine's 2 tons.
15/20 tons, which is it?
Highest figure? Don¡¦t you think forge would have used highest figures when building it? I.e. he wouldn¡¦t use a lame footed, baby bull elephant jogging 😖, charging means full throttle, and he must have had the highest weight of a bull elephant in mind ƒ» when designing a ¡¥barrier ¡Vdesigned to detain someone/stop someone escaping from it ¡¦
You speak of limitation? Which limitations are you speaking of? Handbook figures? There aren¡¦t any numerical figures for sabretooth as of yet, so his limit would be at his highest feat, do you see my logic?
What are the relevance of the high end feats then if you are willing to dismiss ¡¥primary source¡¦ and less than third the strength shown? Again it seems that you may not be entirely confident in the credibility of the feat¡K ¡§ive seen him do a 75 ton feat , he must be at least class 15¡¨ , strange ƒ».
Originally posted by jinzinWhen you have people who try to lowball these characters and place them in a strength category below what they've seemingly performed at consistently, you have to conteract the lowballing with highbrowsing and realize that the truth really lies somewhere in between.
by low balling do you mean the minimum strength people expect him to have? And high browsing meaning the maximum strength that can be concluded from on panel evidence? So you¡¦re averaging ¡¥primary source¡¦ with minimum expectations, not a very statistical method 🙁 ,
basically your saying to someone ¡§since you ¡¥think¡¦ A can lift 1 kg , I ve seen him lift 5kg , so he should be able to lift ¡¥3kg¡¦
thing can press according to handbooks 85-90 tons, his feats show he can lift a few hundred , should I average?
Originally posted by jinzinThis is why we don't milk these feats for what they're worth; They are easily high end feats, but they also strip away the doubt that they can perform a feat OF the nature of 2 or 15 tons when people who don't like the characters or whatever say they can't.
what is logan¡¦s highest strength feat? That makes you think 2 ton is typical limit? Same for sabretooth that makes you think 15 tons is suitable?
Not sure what your trying to prove.
Your hand books are inaccurate consistently condrodict eachother and are not primary sources. Evidences shows that wolverine has done numerous feats that put him 2ton plus not sure what your trying to debate here. Seems like your just argueing for the sake of it.
Fact Logan has feats many feats that put him easily over 1000 pounds, he has many others that put him over 2 ton range
Originally posted by BattlehammerI call your bluff.
Not sure what your trying to prove.Your hand books are inaccurate consistently condrodict eachother and are not primary sources. Evidences shows that wolverine has done numerous feats that put him 2ton plus not sure what your trying to debate here. Seems like your just argueing for the sake of it.
Fact Logan has feats many feats that put him easily over 1000 pounds, he has many others that put him over 2 ton range
List the 'many' feats that puts him over 2 ton range.
Originally posted by Starscream MWolverine lifts an elevator full of people:
I call your bluff.List the 'many' feats that puts him over 2 ton range.
Wolverine one handedly tossed a motorcycle a short distance at Mcliesh with enough force to cripple the man:
1.http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/1317/motorcyclexa0.jpg
Wolverine tosses a dumpster (an estimated 1600 lbs) one handed from one side of an ally to the other sending it airborn:
1. http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/5372/dumpsterii9.jpg
Originally posted by Battlehammeryeah I figured those were the ones you were thinking of...none of those are clear 2 ton feats
trash can one
made to weight tons one
shark one
punching the guy under water one
elevator onethoses are just the ones off the top of my head. all of which reguire more then 2 ton strength.
love how you think I am bluffing when the feats have already been mention in thsi very thread
they're all speculation on your part...which is worthless
do you know what a clear feat would be...ie if wolverine lifts a small car...that would be good proof. not the crap you keep repeating.
Originally posted by Badabingbada, how is any of that demonstration that Logan lifts over 4000 pounds? none of those things are even over 2000 pounds.
Wolverine lifts an elevator full of people:
1. http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/...atorliftqe9.jpgWolverine one handedly tossed a motorcycle a short distance at Mcliesh with enough force to cripple the man:
1. http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/...torcyclexa0.jpgWolverine tosses a dumpster (an estimated 1600 lbs) one handed from one side of an ally to the other sending it airborn:
1. http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/5372/dumpsterii9.jpg
