wolverine/sabertooth vs spiderman/death stroke

Originally posted by ankur29
yes this is what i was trying to establish , creeds high end feats will make him class 75 , why do creed fans accept 15-20 tons ,my conclusion is that they feel the class 75 feat is inconsisent with the charecter and don't deem it credible enough to call sabretooth class 75,instances where sabretooth appears stronger than he should be is due to poor writing

spiderman based on high end feats would be over 25 ton range, i don't understand why there is alot of hypocorism , ppl are willing to use guesstimated figures for logan/creed but use hadnbook figures for spiderman

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wasn't that just a mini-tank?

Originally posted by ankur29
15/20 tons, which is it?

Highest figure? Don¡¦t you think forge would have used highest figures when building it? I.e. he wouldn¡¦t use a lame footed, baby bull elephant jogging 😖, charging means full throttle, and he must have had the highest weight of a bull elephant in mind ƒ» when designing a ¡¥barrier ¡Vdesigned to detain someone/stop someone escaping from it ¡¦

You speak of limitation? Which limitations are you speaking of? Handbook figures? There aren¡¦t any numerical figures for sabretooth as of yet, so his limit would be at his highest feat, do you see my logic?

What are the relevance of the high end feats then if you are willing to dismiss ¡¥primary source¡¦ and less than third the strength shown? Again it seems that you may not be entirely confident in the credibility of the feat¡K ¡§ive seen him do a 75 ton feat , he must be at least class 15¡¨ , strange ƒ».

by low balling do you mean the minimum strength people expect him to have? And high browsing meaning the maximum strength that can be concluded from on panel evidence? So you¡¦re averaging ¡¥primary source¡¦ with minimum expectations, not a very statistical method 🙁 ,
basically your saying to someone ¡§since you ¡¥think¡¦ A can lift 1 kg , I ve seen him lift 5kg , so he should be able to lift ¡¥3kg¡¦

thing can press according to handbooks 85-90 tons, his feats show he can lift a few hundred , should I average?

what is logan¡¦s highest strength feat? That makes you think 2 ton is typical limit? Same for sabretooth that makes you think 15 tons is suitable?

Okay... I'm failing to grasp what it is you're driving at here... It seems you imply that the high end feats have flat out no credability but then sneer on me trying to find some average between the high end feats and low end feats.

We both know characters have high end feats that far eceed their supposed limitations, so tell me what it is you think I SHOULD be doing here. 🤨

Originally posted by ankur29
yes this is what i was trying to establish , creeds high end feats will make him class 75 , why do creed fans accept 15-20 tons ,my conclusion is that they feel the class 75 feat is inconsisent with the charecter and don't deem it credible enough to call sabretooth class 75,instances where sabretooth appears stronger than he should be is due to poor writing

Yeah? And? That's why we try to find the AVERAGE of a character's strength and speed. All characters have feats that put them well above their generally accepted and displayed limits. Spiderman's high end feats would actually place him somewhere in the 50-60 ton range, some argue possibly 100. It's pretty clear, the writers knew enough to write the character as having super strength but didn't put enough thought into WHAT they were putting on panel when it came to cold hard numbers.

Again, what do you think we SHOULD be doing?

Originally posted by ankur29
spiderman based on high end feats would be over 25 ton range, i don't understand why there is alot of hypocorism , ppl are willing to use guesstimated figures for logan/creed but use hadnbook figures for spiderman

Meh, Spiderman's a slippery slope of a character when it comes to his super strength.

He's consistently portrayed as lifting things around 10-15 tons, and has shown a number of 20 ton range feats. The thing about him is that his high end feats are also pretty consistent. He's a character who's strength seems to triple or quadruple when under extreme duress even if it is only for a moment's sake.... I'm absolutely okay with that, but that doesn't mean he'll be fighting with that level of strength throughout entire fights, because, that too isn't how he consistently operates. 😬

Seems fair, the feat isn't rubbish, he can do it, but not casually. Not his best feats.

The tank he lifted over his head was large. I'd say it was at least 20-30 tons, to swing that tank like that makes it a high end feat, stiltman.

Actually it looks closer to at least 35 tons. Either way he can use that strength in a fight here, because he'd be at his best and fights aren't generally long affairs anyways. He still has high end stamina and he isn't phased. Meh.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Actually it looks closer to at least 35 tons. Either way he can use that strength in a fight here, because he'd be at his best and fights aren't generally long affairs anyways. He still has high end stamina and he isn't phased. Meh.

And what difference is 35 tons going to make in a fight against sabertooth and wolvie who has shrugged off punches from the thing and wendigo? 😕

Originally posted by carver9
And what difference is 35 tons going to make in a fight against sabertooth and wolvie who has shrugged off punches from the thing and wendigo? 😕

But I'm not starting that catfight, my point was about strength gauging and nothing else. That is more than a class 35 feat.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Where has he *shrugged* off these punches, Wolverine was ko'ed by thing from a bonk on the head, and even if he was "a little hurt" before, it doesn't change the fact that the hit had an effect on him. He has also said Spiderman's hits hurt, so they can hurt him.

But I'm not starting that catfight, my point was about strength gauging and nothing else. That is more than a class 35 feat.

But he shrugged off punches from an enraged spiderman. 😕

Originally posted by carver9
But he shrugged off punches from an enraged spiderman. 😕

dont forget to mention they were repetitive high speed punches 😉

Originally posted by carver9
But he shrugged off punches from an enraged spiderman. 😕

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But he has also said, "Jeesuz that hurts" from his punches as well, meh. There are high and low showings and it's going nowhere and it wasn't my point to begin with.

spiderman has also said it hurts when logan has flicked him with his finger on his head. 😎

Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah? And? That's why we try to find the AVERAGE of a character's strength and speed. All characters have feats that put them well above their generally accepted and displayed limits. Spiderman's high end feats would actually place him somewhere in the 50-60 ton range, some argue possibly 100. It's pretty clear, the writers knew enough to write the character as having super strength but didn't put enough thought into WHAT they were putting on panel when it came to cold hard numbers.

Again, what do you think we SHOULD be doing?

Average means the numbrr midways the minimum and the maximum
For starters tell me what you are using as minimum strength for logan & creed that lands you at 2 tons and 15/20 tons? remeber that their strength has never been stated by handbooks but left ambiguous.

Originally posted by jinzin

Spiderman WAS at the 20 ton range before his downgrade 😕

so you think handbook have done SM justice by saying he is in 20 ton range after upgrades?
i don't get why your confused about this, i meant he should able to lift within (i wrote over in my post you replied to,but i meant around, sorry) class 25 (10-25 tons) based on feats well before upgrades?
In truth by feats SM was at 20 ton at classical levels if not more when he was being called class 10 , all the upgrades did were improve his powers on paper , i'd assume when his strength was upgraded his true strength would be ~ 40 tons i.e assuming that at teh end of other his original strength doubled

Credit to Jinzin
Wolverine strenght:
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Spider-Who win what?
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And the badass page:
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Webbing wut!?
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Angry Spidey stfu
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So do I have to post him getting his hands webbed to his head.

We've covered strength.

That graveyard fight had Wolverine saying Spiderman could break his neck.

The "Come to papa" Spiderman thought that was a fake wolverine.

Should I use secret wars?

You see this is really just arguing in circles I hope. Which is what I *don't* want to do.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So do I have to post him getting his hands webbed to his head.

We've covered strength.

That graveyard fight had Wolverine saying Spiderman could break his neck.

The "Come to papa" Spiderman thought that was a fake wolverine.

Should I use secret wars?

You see this is really just arguing in circles I hope. Which is what I *don't* want to do.

when logan wasnt looking for a fight with him, and he got out of it in the nxt panel.

logan again wasnt trying to kill him and what still holding back with his claws before spidey managed to grab his neck.

just because he thought it was a fake wolverine doesnt mean he didnt attack him first.

the secret wars was running away yes he managed to slow them down as he escaped and cracked his jokes but he didnt stay to fight.
🙄 🙄

Originally posted by Bouboumaster

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4098/fallensonspidey3kf8.jpg

At the end there all Spidey had to do was flinch and Logan would have been thrown clean through the air. ermm

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
when logan wasnt looking for a fight with him, and he got out of it in the nxt panel.

logan again wasnt trying to kill him and what still holding back with his claws before spidey managed to grab his neck.

just because he thought it was a fake wolverine doesnt mean he didnt attack him first.

the secret wars was running away yes he managed to slow them down as he escaped and cracked his jokes but he didnt stay to fight.
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Spiderman never tries to kill.

He held back because he was fake.

He owned the Xmen 😛 It IS canon. *Shrugs* What about logan being thrown out of a window.

Lol, same old circle. Why am I doing this?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Seems fair, the feat isn't rubbish, he can do it, but not casually. Not his best feats.

The tank he lifted over his head was large. I'd say it was at least 20-30 tons, to swing that tank like that makes it a high end feat, stiltman.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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t90s: 46.5 tonnes 😱

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-90

i googled also , weight= 45 tons+ seems right

Originally posted by ankur29
t90s: 46.5 tonnes 😱

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-90

i googled also , weight= 45 tons+ seems right