Batman VS Captain America: MA contest

Originally posted by thadarknite84
OK, so Batman and Cap are on par in terms of fighting skills with the exception that Cap has better stats over all. To me, one can't be better because he is more skilled or has better stats. And this fight has to come down to who can last longer. This to me gives Cap a clear advantage over Batman. Both fighters are capable of countering each other all day and night. But because of the SSS, Cap can last of lot longer than Batman. So what's the point of this fight? Because it really does come down to how long can Batman keep it up. And that take a lot away from any victory Cap would have over Batman.

You don't like Cap, do you? 😉

Originally posted by thadarknite84
OK, so Batman and Cap are on par in terms of fighting skills with the exception that Cap has better stats over all. To me, one can't be better because he is more skilled or has better stats. And this fight has to come down to who can last longer. This to me gives Cap a clear advantage over Batman. Both fighters are capable of countering each other all day and night. But because of the SSS, Cap can last of lot longer than Batman. So what's the point of this fight? Because it really does come down to how long can Batman keep it up. And that take a lot away from any victory Cap would have over Batman.

Originally posted by Mindset
You don't like Cap, do you? 😉

Originally posted by iceman24567
You make no sense Caps stamina gives him the win the end beating Bruce like that doesn't take away anything boxers do it all the time it's ok for your favorite character to lose everybody including Thanos 😱

i just find out that capt is dead he die from a gun shoot to the head omg

and why did he have to die u never see thing like that with batman lol

he would of live he had just pay the drug dealer all the money he own him from all that SSS he was taking

"They should have put him in rehab"

😛 😉 😄 🥷

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Yeah but in a boxing match each fighter has more of a chance of tiring the other fighter out. But not with Cap. That's the point some people in this argument have been trying to make. Is that no matter how on par Batman is with Cap, Cap will most likely last longer than Batman in the end. And again, because of the SSS. And what was Batman given to counteract that? Nothing, and that's my point. That there is almost no chance at all for Batman to out last Cap. This fight makes no sense.

Apparently DC's official stance is that he is not a master of all 127 styles since nowhere is it published stating it to be so. Glad we cleared that up. Myth busted until further notice.

Very well then here are direct quotes to support my claim:

"For he is a master of all fighting arts, his superb skill matched only by his courage!" - Det #411

"The Batman is superbly trained, skilled in every form of unarmed combat in other words, the perfect opponent, the perfect test! If our subject can defeat him we will know absolutely that our experiment is a success!" - Det 480

"However, the men do not need the Batman's warning nor is he merely a trained expert! Rather, he is the ULTIMATE martial artist." - Det 490

"As a youth I swore eternal vengeance of all criminals. To prepare myself for that war, I journeyed abroad to learn all I could from the World's Greatest Masters." - Batman #431

"He had picked up all he could from Grant (Wildcat) and moved on to his next teacher, and his next, and his next. With each new master he perfected a new fighting skill. He was becoming the sum of all his teachers and more..." - Batman Wildcat #2

"Ah. He exists. He appears. The Batman. The living legend. The man said to be the most skilled, the most determined, the most artful fighter in the world." - Lady Shiva (Detective Comics Annual #1)

Here we see Dick Grayson as Robin in the Teen Titans with Marv Wolfman pointing out how Batman trained in him in all styles of combat:

Of course I could list other quotes that seem to go against these claims as well which is why I said it depends on what the current writer goes by. But overall if you look at Batman's official origin or bio from DC they'll no doubt say he's a master of 127 styles of combat.

Originally posted by Mindset
cry more

I guest maybe when Batman dies, he will get the same respect as Cap.

Originally posted by Phantom Ghost
Very well then here are direct quotes to support my claim:

"For he is a master of all fighting arts, his superb skill matched only by his courage!" - Det #411

"The Batman is superbly trained, skilled in every form of unarmed combat in other words, the perfect opponent, the perfect test! If our subject can defeat him we will know absolutely that our experiment is a success!" - Det 480

"However, the men do not need the Batman's warning nor is he merely a trained expert! Rather, he is the ULTIMATE martial artist." - Det 490

"As a youth I swore eternal vengeance of all criminals. To prepare myself for that war, I journeyed abroad to learn all I could from the World's Greatest Masters." - Batman #431

"He had picked up all he could from Grant (Wildcat) and moved on to his next teacher, and his next, and his next. With each new master he perfected a new fighting skill. He was becoming the sum of all his teachers and more..." - Batman Wildcat #2

"Ah. He exists. He appears. The Batman. The living legend. The man said to be the most skilled, the most determined, the most artful fighter in the world." - Lady Shiva (Detective Comics Annual #1)

Here we see Dick Grayson as Robin in the Teen Titans with Marv Wolfman pointing out how Batman trained in him in all styles of combat:

Of course I could list other quotes that seem to go against these claims as well which is why I said it depends on what the current writer goes by. But overall if you look at Batman's official origin or bio from DC they'll no doubt say he's a master of 127 styles of combat.

BUT WITHOUT THE SSS CAP WOULD JUST BE A NORMAL GUY

Originally posted by suprmanvsbatman
BUT WITHOUT THE SSS CAP WOULD JUST BE A NORMAL GUY

Originally posted by thadarknite84
OK, so Batman and Cap are on par in terms of fighting skills with the exception that Cap has better stats over all. To me, one can't be better because he is more skilled or has better stats. And this fight has to come down to who can last longer. This to me gives Cap a clear advantage over Batman. Both fighters are capable of countering each other all day and night. But because of the SSS, Cap can last of lot longer than Batman. So what's the point of this fight? Because it really does come down to how long can Batman keep it up. And that take a lot away from any victory Cap would have over Batman.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Don't worry, it's not as if anyone looks down on Batman because he loses a h2h fight with Captain America. Hell, no one looks down on ANY regular human for that because fighting is what Cap does best. The guy routinely goes h2h with mid-meta level characters, so few without powers stand any kind of real chance against him(and yes, Batman is one of the few).

Originally posted by Phantom Ghost
Very well then here are direct quotes to support my claim:

"For he is a master of all fighting arts, his superb skill matched only by his courage!" - Det #411

"The Batman is superbly trained, skilled in every form of unarmed combat in other words, the perfect opponent, the perfect test! If our subject can defeat him we will know absolutely that our experiment is a success!" - Det 480

"However, the men do not need the Batman's warning nor is he merely a trained expert! Rather, he is the ULTIMATE martial artist." - Det 490

"As a youth I swore eternal vengeance of all criminals. To prepare myself for that war, I journeyed abroad to learn all I could from the World's Greatest Masters." - Batman #431

"He had picked up all he could from Grant (Wildcat) and moved on to his next teacher, and his next, and his next. With each new master he perfected a new fighting skill. He was becoming the sum of all his teachers and more..." - Batman Wildcat #2

"Ah. He exists. He appears. The Batman. The living legend. The man said to be the most skilled, the most determined, the most artful fighter in the world." - Lady Shiva (Detective Comics Annual #1)

Here we see Dick Grayson as Robin in the Teen Titans with Marv Wolfman pointing out how Batman trained in him in all styles of combat:

Of course I could list other quotes that seem to go against these claims as well which is why I said it depends on what the current writer goes by. But overall if you look at Batman's official origin or bio from DC they'll no doubt say he's a master of 127 styles of combat.

So I've basically got the first one to go on, I'll have to get that issue and check it out. Especially since handbooks and bios do not even go that far and state that he has only learned all 127 styles. Even Cap's scan is more impressive in that he is adept in all martial arts styles or even the Marvel Handbooks which characterize him as being a "Master Of All Forms Of Combat."

I'll check out Detective Comics #411 to see if Batman reaches the plateau that Cap's scans and bios/handbooks have established.

Beast's handbook power grid says he has 25-40 ton strength.

Sersi has a 7 in Energy Projection, which in the key says "Virtually unlimited command of all forms of energy." which she doesn't have.

People get a seven in speed because they can teleport and thus their speed is "Warp Speed: Transcending light speed."

Perfecting seems rather synonymous to mastering.

I really don't see why people who support Captain America in this fight can't accept Batman as being equally skilled. (Nor vice versa with people supporting Batman...)

Does anyone really truly think that if Batman was a Marvel character he wouldn't have a 7 in fighting skill in that power grid?

Regarding mastering all forms of combat, at least with Batman it's more plausible considering his genius level intelligence and that he actually went and trained with masters of different disciplines.

Captain America didn't have particular mastery of martial arts prior to receiving the SSS as far as I'm aware and spent an extended period of time in suspended animation.

And I'm pretty certain this thread has been done a dozen times.

Avengers#53(468)

Marcus: Initial analysis indicates that they are using the inchoate energies within the pyramid to duplicate our simulacrum-projection technology, though how skilled can they---

Kang: Enough, do not underestimate them. Captain America is an astounding warrior-- he has never fought under these conditions before-- but already he adapts- mastering the form more completely than many who’ve trained for decades, it is what makes him such a worthy foe

Originally posted by Silent Master
Avengers#53(468)

Marcus: Initial analysis indicates that they are using the inchoate energies within the pyramid to duplicate our simulacrum-projection technology, though how skilled can they---

Kang: Enough, do not underestimate them. Captain America is an astounding warrior-- he has never fought under these conditions before-- but already he adapts- mastering the form more completely than many who’ve trained for decades, it is what makes him such a worthy foe

The question still stands though. If Batman were a Marvel character, with everything he's done, does anyone really honestly think he wouldn't get a 7 in fighting skill in that Power Grid?

Also how much does one have to do to "master" a form of martial combat? It's rather vague. Would you have to be able to know it well that you're the best at it? Know it well enough to become a teacher at it? Be able to perform every single technique it encompasses?

Why do people continue to seperate the SSS and Cap. Its who he is. I know tahts the cause of why he is what he is but its not like its a cheat or something, it is a cheat that Banner got his powers from Gamma rays? Silver surfer was given his powers through the power cosmic? Spider-Man being bit by a special spider? the list can go on for many heroes that has artificially gained their abilities. You can't separate a person between how they got their power and who they are because that just silly. Just because the abilities were given does not mean that they are any less capable unless you are talking about experience. Experience does help but in this specific fight its different because it is known that Cap can adapt extreamly well to his opponents hence cutting down the need for experience through time and effort (referring to the lost time frozen and stuff) via the ability of great adaptation. Lets also go to this idea of someone thinking batman is on par with Cap in everything except stamina. That would foolish to believe. You truly believe that Batman has the powers and abilities of a Super Soldier minus the stamina? I sincerely doubt that. The only thing that i am in total agreement that batman has greater wit/logical deduction but im not saying because of that he will win i'm just saying that Batman does have some qualities that actually surpass Cap statwise.

Captain America's combat skills do not match Batman's. Batman is a fighter of absolute calculation and precision, where as Captain America is less so.

Batman also has a vaster knowledge of martial arts, he is most likely a practitioner of Muay Thai and Haganah, as Ive stated before. Captain America can fight off 10 maybe 20 men, Batman can 'engage 600 men' although Cap is physically stronger, he would be destroyed.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Why do people continue to seperate the SSS and Cap. Its who he is. I know tahts the cause of why he is what he is but its not like its a cheat or something, it is a cheat that Banner got his powers from Gamma rays? Silver surfer was given his powers through the power cosmic? Spider-Man being bit by a special spider? the list can go on for many heroes that has artificially gained their abilities. You can't separate a person between how they got their power and who they are because that just silly. Just because the abilities were given does not mean that they are any less capable unless you are talking about experience. Experience does help but in this specific fight its different because it is known that Cap can adapt extreamly well to his opponents hence cutting down the need for experience through time and effort (referring to the lost time frozen and stuff) via the ability of great adaptation. Lets also go to this idea of someone thinking batman is on par with Cap in everything except stamina. That would foolish to believe. You truly believe that Batman has the powers and abilities of a Super Soldier minus the stamina? I sincerely doubt that. The only thing that i am in total agreement that batman has greater wit/logical deduction but im not saying because of that he will win i'm just saying that Batman does have some qualities that actually surpass Cap statwise.

1) Paragraphs. Learn em, live em, love em.

2) I think people joke about the SSS being a 'cheat' with Cap because it's much easier to compare the serum to steroids than it is to compare a radioactive spider bite to steroids.