Batman VS Captain America: MA contest

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Captain America's combat skills do not match Batman's. Batman is a fighter of absolute calculation and precision, where as Captain America is less so.

Batman also has a vaster knowledge of martial arts, he is most likely a practitioner of Muay Thai and Haganah, as Ive stated before. Captain America can fight off 10 maybe 20 men, Batman can 'engage 600 men' although Cap is physically stronger, he would be destroyed.

Captain America has been stated, on panel, to have mastered every known form of hand to hand combat - even as early as World War II.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Why do people continue to seperate the SSS and Cap. Its who he is. I know tahts the cause of why he is what he is but its not like its a cheat or something, it is a cheat that Banner got his powers from Gamma rays? Silver surfer was given his powers through the power cosmic? Spider-Man being bit by a special spider? the list can go on for many heroes that has artificially gained their abilities. You can't separate a person between how they got their power and who they are because that just silly. Just because the abilities were given does not mean that they are any less capable unless you are talking about experience. Experience does help but in this specific fight its different because it is known that Cap can adapt extreamly well to his opponents hence cutting down the need for experience through time and effort (referring to the lost time frozen and stuff) via the ability of great adaptation. Lets also go to this idea of someone thinking batman is on par with Cap in everything except stamina. That would foolish to believe. You truly believe that Batman has the powers and abilities of a Super Soldier minus the stamina? I sincerely doubt that. The only thing that i am in total agreement that batman has greater wit/logical deduction but im not saying because of that he will win i'm just saying that Batman does have some qualities that actually surpass Cap statwise.

Do paragraphs bother people? lol Anyway, has batman really fought off 600 men thats pretty freaking amazing. What kind of men are we talking about?

I didn't say exact match but close. Close enough that Cap can hold his own. Close enough that any edge that Batman has through MA skill can be evened by Cap's physical abilities. Lets say that Batman is a black belt and Cap is a brown belt. Not a huge difference but there is. If the brown belt that can physically out perform the black belt the brown belt will have trouble.

Just because someone has vast knowledge of a field does not mean they can perform it all down to the dot. Like a soccer fan can know everything about soccer down to the pecise dribbling and timing of the most complicated tricks, it doesn't mean he is a master of soccer it just means that he knows alot about the topic.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Do paragraphs bother people? lol Anyway, has batman really fought off 600 men thats pretty freaking amazing. What kind of men are we talking about?

I didn't say exact match but close. Close enough that Cap can hold his own. Close enough that any edge that Batman has through MA skill can be evened by Cap's physical abilities. Lets say that Batman is a black belt and Cap is a brown belt. Not a huge difference but there is. If the brown belt that can physically out perform the black belt the brown belt will have trouble.

Just because someone has vast knowledge of a field does not mean they can perform it all down to the dot. Like a soccer fan can know everything about soccer down to the pecise dribbling and timing of the most complicated tricks, it doesn't mean he is a master of soccer it just means that he knows alot about the topic.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
You can say my name, because that someone is me. Cap is not a superhuman. You talk as if the SSS pushes Cap so far ahead of Batman, like Batman wouldn't match Cap move for move through out the entire fight. And I don't have a problem with how Cap got his abilities. I have problem with the rules of this fight. That's like putting Wolverine against another human fighter that's maybe on par with him but they don't have a HF, It's the same thing with Cap and Batman.

He isn't superhuman but he is just below it. As this has been stated for other characters that have been enhanced to the peak of human potential thanks to the SSS.

Slowed aging, enhanced intellect, enhanced eye sight, enhanced immune system the whole package. The SSS creator stated this makes them the next step in human "evolution". Batman is definitely not that.

When [former Green Arrow writer] Brad Meltzer and I were attending the University of Michigan, he sat with me one night wile I was inking a pile of comic strips for our school newspaper. We planned the JLA/Avengers battle and who would win. We agree on most, disagreed on Hulk and Superman, but felt that of course Batman would beat Captain America, because Batman would cheat. Education at its fines.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
He isn't superhuman but he is just below it. As this has been stated for other characters that have been enhanced to the peak of human potential thanks to the SSS.

Slowed aging, enhanced intellect, enhanced eye sight, enhanced immune system the whole package. The SSS creator stated this makes them the next step in human "evolution". Batman is definitely not that.

That's true, but Batman is not far behind. There is nothing that you or any one else can say to change my mind. And with all the things that the SSS gives Cap, he is still not as intelligent or as skilled of a fighter as Batman. If you really want to know why I think Batman is better. All you'll have to do is think about how they would most likely win. And I say that Cap is only going to beat Batman because he can outlasted him as the fight gos on. But Batman would beat Cap by out thinking him and finishing the fight before he get winded. You do the math? Intelligences are a big factor in a fight like this and that's all Batman's game.

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Batman. Batman has fought Cap before with fists, and Cap has his shield. Cap was winning by a hair. The fight was going on for HOURS, until it was interrupted. If Batman is equal to Cap with shield, he can beat him if he don't got it.

Originally posted by BatmanOfGotham
Batman. Batman has fought Cap before with fists, and Cap has his shield. Cap was winning by a hair. The fight was going on for HOURS, until it was interrupted. If Batman is equal to Cap with shield, he can beat him if he don't got it.

I wish that fight was canon but it is not. Batman takes it anyway 6/10

Originally posted by Soljer
Captain America has been stated, on panel, to have mastered every known form of hand to hand combat - even as early as World War II.

I hate to break this to you, but Batman did use weapons in that fight(batarangs) plus, the hits Cap landed had much more of an effect, as in Cap’s hits sent Batman flying while Batman’s didn’t, also IIRC Batman is the only one that was shown as out of breath.

Not to mention, that Batman didn’t beat Cap in that fight, he just got lucky that most of the flushing sewer water hit Cap, also, the fight was fan voted.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
That's true, but Batman is not far behind. There is nothing that you or any one else can say to change my mind. And with all the things that the SSS gives Cap, he is still not as intelligent or as skilled of a fighter as Batman. If you really want to know why I think Batman is better. All you'll have to do is think about how they would most likely win. And I say that Cap is only going to beat Batman because he can outlasted him as the fight gos on. But Batman would beat Cap by out thinking him and finishing the fight before he get winded. You do the math? Intelligences are a big factor in a fight like this and that's all Batman's game.

Not far but enough that Cap could throw him about and train through him I imagine, if he wanted too. And I disagree with you not as intelligent. But for winning fights or battles thats what Cap was born to do, he is as intelligent or then some, in comparison as that is Cap's bread and butter.

Cap can outlast, outstrike, take more hits, be faster, be stronger well be all that he can be. In the army 😉

Originally posted by thadarknite84
And with all the things that the SSS gives Cap, he is still not as intelligent or as skilled of a fighter as Batman. If you really want to know why I think Batman is better. All you'll have to do is think about how they would most likely win. And I say that Cap is only going to beat Batman because he can outlasted him as the fight gos on. But Batman would beat Cap by out thinking him and finishing the fight before he get winded. You do the math? Intelligences are a big factor in a fight like this and that's all Batman's game.

What Batman is going to outhink the man who learned an alien martial art in one day? Batman is going to out think the guy who already been training before he was born and already knew ninjitsu early in his career. Batman is not more intelligent than Cap in H2H.

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P.S That sounded a bit aggressive sorry.

Batman can beat current Steve Rogers, but that's about it 😄

dont be getting sarcastic in MY thread, son! 😠

~Sado

bats takes it

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What Batman is going to outhink the man who learned an alien martial art in one day? Batman is going to out think the guy who already been training before he was born and already knew ninjitsu early in his career. Batman is not more intelligent than Cap in H2H.

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P.S That sounded a bit aggressive sorry.

Yes Batman will out think him in a h2h fight. Cap isn't going to do anything that Batman hasn't already thought about happening in a fight. It's a fact that Batman puts a lot more time in thinking and planing than Cap. Batman is prepared for anything. And he has already proved to be more Intelligent than Cap overall. Cap is a very good field commander. But when he was captured by Iron Man (in Civil War) he couldn't even escape on his own. Batman wouldn't even got captured in the first place. And if he did, he would've escaped. As a result of constantly thinking and planning when he's not kicking ass around Gotham City. And I can say this because he gave the X-Men a hard time by himself. Batman is the most dangerous man alive. He will see a flaw in Cap's fighting style and take advantage of it. Cap can try and counter Batman's moves but he can't read body movement like Shiva. Cap has never taken on somebody so close to him in terms fighting ability. Maybe Wolverine, DD, or Elektra. But they all have special abilities. And Batman is more well rounded. Aside from Cap's stamina Batman has the advantage of truly knowing and understanding his body limitations through years of rigorous training. Cap's takes more risks because the SSS allows him to. He can't take risks in this fight. Could Cap beat Batman for the majority? Yes. Will he most likely do it? Maybe not. Will Batman out think Cap for the majority? Yes, and he will most likely do just that.

Cap beats Batman like a red headed step child.

Originally posted by Mindset
Cap beats Batman like a red headed step child.

😆 you wish, because that's not happening.