Originally posted by Soljer
😆You really need to read up.
Why do you say that?
"The SSS gives him the advantage without it it would probably be a draw."
This statement is complete and utter nonsense. The point of him volunteering for the experiment is b/c he was a Sub-par candidate to be a soldier.
W/o the serum I could beat him, Period. no Shield, no comic, Nothing.
No not nonsense, it's a fact that Batman knows more fighting styles than Cap. And it's a fact that Batman is far more Intelligent. Batman is either the best or Second best at everything he does in the DCU. Unless Cap can channel his chi and increase his physical attributes to higher levels, Batman wins.
Originally posted by spetznaz
It appears that even if Cap may be adept at all and sundry fighting styles, his level of adeptness is not exactly at the highest possible echelons. It seems like it is his sheer physiological component that seriously augments his skills, enabling a person with 'basic skills' but great speed and strength to beat someone that Cap himself says is a good enough martial artist to be compared to Mantis.Thus, it does seem as if Bruce Wayne is a better martial artist (in terms of skill levels), but when it comes to the better fighter then Cap starts to gain an edge.
This reminds me of another character that Bruce faces who, even though he may not be as skilled as Bruce himself, has such a premium when it comes to strength and speed that even Batgirl found it next to impossible to 'read' him.
That is, Deathstroke.
From the scan it appears that Cap is a Deathstroke-lite ....in that even though he is quite skilled, his strength and speed basically take that level of skill and turn it into something that is nearly unstoppable. [/B]
Speaking of Deathstroke...
I find it kinda funny how Deathstroke came on the scene several months after Taskmaster.... I see Deathstroke as basically Taskmaster and Captain America in one...
Originally posted by Mr Marvel
WOW!!! I sure hope you're not implying that Cap has actually defeated these people. 😆This is amazing, it seems as though people somehow think that Cap's artificially created Physique is the equal or better to that of Batman. Which i find hilarious 😂 .
Batman is a TRUE warrior. The man has attained a level of fitness that borders on Supernatural, a Mind as sharp as a blade and a motivation toward perfection.
I feel it an insult to compare Cap w/ his Super Soldier Serum to Batman w/ his talent and dedication. How could a man that has been hand fed his abilities and tactics even compare to one who has TRAVELED THE WORLD specifically to train himself to be able to handle any situations that he may face.
I'm sorry man but Training beats a "Silver Spoon" method every time ( assuming that the end results are the same).
I am willing to bet that Cap has never trained to the level of difficulty that Batman has, mainly because his serum doesn't require him to.
Also just because 2 people know the same style(s) doesn't mean they're equal, skill and talent and training play a HUGE role as well.
Originally posted by Mr Marvel
W/o the serum I could beat him, Period. no Shield, no comic, Nothing.
You've never actually seen Cap in action without the SSS have you...
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7089/captainamerica378streetzz9.jpg
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Originally posted by darthgooberYou've never actually seen Cap in action without the SSS have you...
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7089/captainamerica378streetzz9.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5568/captainamerica378streetbe4.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6927/captainamerica378streetwk8.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8297/captainamerica378streetra5.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1161/captainamerica378streetmd7.jpg
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Originally posted by Battlehammer
true, but with out the serum his body is still at peak-human he simply now needs to mantain it and loses his superhuman stamina.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Cap specifically noted that Crossbones was stronger than he without the SSS(third scan, last panel). That seems to indicate that without it he's loses more than just stamina.
I could be wrong or it could have been an error by the writer.
either way I agree that mr. marvel has not idea what he talking about.
oh and did you complete the respect thread darth? And remeber to put in the section were capt was granted superhuman strength.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
I could be wrong or it could have been an error by the writer.either way I agree that mr. marvel has not idea what he talking about.
oh and did you complete the respect thread darth? And remeber to put in the section were capt was granted superhuman strength.
No I haven't finished the updated respect thread yet. I finally had to step back and take a break from doing it for a while, because it was really taking all the fun out of reading Cap's comics. So now I'm just sitting on the 3,000+ scans that I already have until I can get around to going through his last 10 years worth of appearances(I'm going through them chronologically).
Originally posted by darthgoober
It wasn't a writer error, Cap actually pointed out that kind of thing a couple of times.No I haven't finished the updated respect thread yet. I finally had to step back and take a break from doing it for a while, because it was really taking all the fun out of reading Cap's comics. So now I'm just sitting on the 3,000+ scans that I already have until I can get around to going through his last 10 years worth of appearances(I'm going through them chronologically).
dam that sucks lol. well good luck with it. need any help just ask.
Originally posted by Mr Marvel
WOW!!! I sure hope you're not implying that Cap has actually defeated these people. 😆This is amazing, it seems as though people somehow think that Cap's artificially created Physique is the equal or better to that of Batman. Which i find hilarious 😂 .
Batman is a TRUE warrior. The man has attained a level of fitness that borders on Supernatural, a Mind as sharp as a blade and a motivation toward perfection.
I feel it an insult to compare Cap w/ his Super Soldier Serum to Batman w/ his talent and dedication. How could a man that has been hand fed his abilities and tactics even compare to one who has TRAVELED THE WORLD specifically to train himself to be able to handle any situations that he may face.
I'm sorry man but Training beats a "Silver Spoon" method every time ( assuming that the end results are the same).
I am willing to bet that Cap has never trained to the level of difficulty that Batman has, mainly because his serum doesn't require him to.
Also just because 2 people know the same style(s) doesn't mean they're equal, skill and talent and training play a HUGE role as well.
Do you dress up as Batman and pretend you're him? 🙄
Originally posted by Battlehammer
then I was mistaken.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
dam that sucks lol. well good luck with it. need any help just ask.
Originally posted by Juntai
Batman is master of all forms, that's more Robin level. 😎
Yeah adept doesn't mean master, it's the same thing with what was said about Moon Knight
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Moon Knight was said to be versatlile in all martial arts as wellhttp://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/MarvelSpotlight028-06.jpg
