Originally posted by Deadline
Sorry can't copy and paste but basically they're are beastly. One Punisher robot is tough enough to take on a high-herald character.
oh those. all right.
the gl ring thing is still slightly weird, though.
Originally posted by Deadline
Sorry can't copy and paste but basically they're are beastly. One Punisher robot is tough enough to take on a high-herald character.
oh those. all right.
the gl ring thing is still slightly weird, though.
Originally posted by -Pr-
i just don't see what difference it's going to make.the ring builds tech, sure, but he has to know what he's building.
He can build even more robots.
The stips state that Galactus made him an expert in building the robots. Hes also been shown to understand some of Microchips tech as well. 😛
Originally posted by -Pr-
he'd still need the materials. does he have that?
He has 10 robots. He could possibly make other Punisher robots which maybe not as tough but could still be very difficult. With 10 Pun robots he could literially walk into JLA tower or steal shit from Lex and nobody would be able to stop him.
Im pretty sure there are some other highly durable metals on DCU like Nth metal.
Originally posted by Deadline
He has 10 robots. He could possibly make other Punisher robots which maybe not as tough but could still be very difficult. With 10 Pun robots he could literially walk into JLA tower or steal shit from Lex and nobody would be able to stop him.Im pretty sure there are some other highly durable metals on DCU like Nth metal.
10 robots won't do shit to the JLA. Hell, Superman has more robots than Frank does, and he doesn't even use them half the time.
If he went near the satellite or the hall of justice those robots would get turned to scrap.
Originally posted by -Pr-
10 robots won't do shit to the JLA. Hell, Superman has more robots than Frank does, and he doesn't even use them half the time.
1 Punisher robot was too much for the Fantastic Four and the Silver Surfer had to resort to matter manipulation to defeat one and I've made them immune to that.
1 Punisher robot I think would beat Superman what are ten going to do?
Originally posted by -Pr-
If he went near the satellite or the hall of justice those robots would get turned to scrap.
I don't know about that.
Originally posted by Deadline
1 Punisher robot was too much for the Fantastic Four and the Silver Surfer had to resort to matter manipulation to defeat one and I've made them immune to that.1 Punisher robot I think would beat Superman what are ten going to do?
I don't know about that.
one superman robot took down the titans and young justice singlehandedly, even killing donna troy.
his robots were able to take over the Earth, even subjugating the JLA.
what feats do they have that make you think one could take Superman?
Originally posted by -Pr-
one superman robot took down the titans and young justice singlehandedly, even killing donna troy.
Yup I think 1 Punisher robot could do that.
Originally posted by -Pr-
his robots were able to take over the Earth, even subjugating the JLA.
Well Pun could build an army first. I think their might be some PIS/CIS there did Phantom stranger or Dr Fate intervene?
Originally posted by -Pr-
what feats do they have that make you think one could take Superman?
Silver Surfer wasn't able to damage it and had to resort to matter manipulation, I've taken away that weakness. One robot owned Jack of Hearts and Iron man. Jack Of Hearts is a herald lvl character.
Originally posted by -Pr-
here's an example: batman had trouble with the ring, while superman used it with little effort... green arrow had trouble, while kyle/hal used it easily... no matter how much training you get, the ring will always respond easier to the likes of clark and hal than it would frank...frank is cynical, and there is one last point:
even with 100 years training, is he going to be as good as hal? or john? and even those two are beatable by their fellow leaguers...
Good points, but there's there's two major examples against the "cynical = harder to control the ring" points.
1. Jack T Chance
2. Lobo
Jack had zero training, yet was good enough to punk Lobo until hit with the yellow weakness, and Lobo was good enough where the ring tried tempting him to be the new GL of Jacks world. (The guardians wanted a bad their bad guy to reign in a badder planet, so I guess Lobo would've qualified..)
Originally posted by Deadline
Yup I think 1 Punisher robot could do that.Well Pun could build an army first. I think their might be some PIS/CIS there did Phantom stranger or Dr Fate intervene?
Silver Surfer wasn't able to damage it and had to resort to matter manipulation, I've taken away that weakness. One robot owned Jack of Hearts and Iron man. Jack Of Hearts is a herald lvl character.
based on what?
Superman's army is already built. It's sitting in the Fortress waiting to be activated at a moment's notice. And no, Superman was the bad guy in this instance. He had no real help.
i don't rate jack of hearts that highly, and i really don't believe matter manipulation is the only way to beat them.
Originally posted by cdtm
Good points, but there's there's two major examples against the "cynical = harder to control the ring" points.1. Jack T Chance
2. Lobo
Jack had zero training, yet was good enough to punk Lobo until hit with the yellow weakness, and Lobo was good enough where the ring tried tempting him to be the new GL of Jacks world. (The guardians wanted a bad their bad guy to reign in a badder planet, so I guess Lobo would've qualified..)
jack was angry more than cynical. he was like guy.
lobo is cynical? 😛
Originally posted by Deadline
Frank isn't cynical when it comes to taking people out anyway, and thats basically his job.
it's a general cynicism, not a cynicism when it comes to what you do.
Originally posted by -Pr-
based on what?
Like I mentioned Silver Surfer was only able to defeat it by matter manipulation. He was using brute force and I didn't do anything. Also Jack of Hearts and Iron Man didn't get defeated they were owned.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman's army is already built. It's sitting in the Fortress waiting to be activated at a moment's notice.
So that means Frank can't build an army? How comes you never mentioned this before?
Originally posted by -Pr-
And no, Superman was the bad guy in this instance. He had no real help.
Not sure what you're point is. I didn't say he had help I just asked where were Phantom Stranger and Dr Fate to deafeat him.
Originally posted by -Pr-
i don't rate jack of hearts that highly, and i really don't believe matter manipulation is the only way to beat them.
No neither do I but anybody who can own Iron Man and Jack and the same time is pretty powerful. Of course not but nobody has been able to beat it without using tactics like that. You might believe that they can be beaten by other means but you're going to have explain other means.
Originally posted by -Pr-
it's a general cynicism, not a cynicism when it comes to what you do.
The only thing that really makes him cynical is the death of his family and now he can get that back. Theres plently of evidence that suggests hes not cynical he may have even taken up magic at one point and nearly became a ninja. He's actually quite open minded and if people give him a chance to change he usually responds.
Originally posted by Deadline
Like I mentioned Silver Surfer was only able to defeat it by matter manipulation. He was using brute force and I didn't do anything. Also Jack of Hearts and Iron Man didn't get defeated they were owned.
the JLA alone has several herald level members at almost any time.
So that means Frank can't build an army? How comes you never mentioned this before?
that superman has an army? i thought it was common knowledge.
Not sure what you're point is. I didn't say he had help I just asked where were Phantom Stranger and Dr Fate to deafeat him.
phantom stranger can't really do anything anyway. dunno about fate, but i don't see what the point is.
No neither do I but anybody who can own Iron Man and Jack and the same time is pretty powerful. Of course not but nobody has been able to beat it without using tactics like that. You might believe that they can be beaten by other means but you're going to have explain other means.
superman's powers, lantern's powers, martian manhunter's powers, flash's powers, wonder woman's powers etc.
The only thing that really makes him cynical is the death of his family and now he can get that back. Theres plently of evidence that suggests hes not cynical he may have even taken up magic at one point and nearly became a ninja. He's actually quite open minded and if people give him a chance to change he usually responds.
ok, so let's say that frank isn't cynical enough that he can effectively use the ring. then what? he's not hal, or kyle etc. and even those guys would get the shit kicked out of them if they tried to take over the world.
Originally posted by -Pr-
the JLA alone has several herald level members at almost any time.
Pun has 10 robots to spare and enough to double up Superman ain't beating 2 Punisher robots.
Originally posted by -Pr-
that superman has an army? i thought it was common knowledge.
What I really mean't was you never mentioned it as an option. CIS might indicate he might not use it. He didn't use them in IC when there were 1000s of OMACs flying around and didn't use them in WW III. In fact has he ever used them before without being a villain?
Originally posted by -Pr-
phantom stranger can't really do anything anyway. dunno about fate, but i don't see what the point is.
He can do alot Superman has needed his help to deal with high level magic and even Hal Jordan was of no use. Dr Fate can call on Shazam and Nabu, yup they can do alot. My point is if these guys didn't try to stop Superman they may not true to stop Frank and if thats the case DC earth could be up shit creek.
Originally posted by -Pr-
superman's powers, lantern's powers, martian manhunter's powers, flash's powers, wonder woman's powers etc.
No I don't think so somehow. None of those guys are more powerful than the Silver Surfer I could be wrong but I don't see them pulling out something that SS couldn't. The only person I can think of is Flash with his IMP.
Originally posted by -Pr-
ok, so let's say that frank isn't cynical enough that he can effectively use the ring. then what? he's not hal, or kyle etc. and even those guys would get the shit kicked out of them if they tried to take over the world.
Thats why he starts with 10 Punisher robots as backup. Hell even if the JLA are too much he can head for Batman's lair and take all his shit. The JLA didn't come to Batman's rescue when Bane was beating him up they're not going to help him if Punisher raid his house. Best case scenerio somebody may turn up to help him and its unlikely it will be the whole JLA.
What about Lexcorp is Lexcorp tough enough enough to stop 10 Punisher robots? Furthermore theres a good chance he can understand the tech because he's an expert in building and maintaining robots (galactus lvl tech). That doesn't just include robotics but physics because part of their weaponry is to generate forcefields. The GL ring also has AI to assisst him.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
OK I haven't read the whole thread but I really want to know what the hell a "Punisher Robot" is.
This.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/punisherrob.htm
They kick serious arse. 😐