Frank kills the DCU (for real)

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok you can prove this can you? So you're assuming that because Batman had trouble with the ring to start off with, that it would always respond the ring better than it would with Hal? So if two people learn how to drive 1 person picks it up with less skill, we are going to assume that the person who has trouble is always going to be left behind?

Cynical of what? In general or the supernatural magic in general? Anyway I stated at the beginning of the thread that if he succeeds his family will be brought back to life and he believes it.

He has alot of willpower and time. People change over time.

The rings works off of willpower and emotion. Both Ollie and Batman understand that man is a horrible monstrous creature , but at times can be lead to moral and virtuous situations.

Punisher thinks everyone is a criminal or criminal in waiting. Criminals are 100% evil and deserve to be killed. No mercy.

I'd be incredibly surprised if the ring even gave a slight glow for Punisher.

Originally posted by Soljer
Hal's willpower is so strong, that (without the ring) he displayed low-level telekinesis. Not due to magic, cosmic power, or mutation, but sheer will-power.

Meaning, though it was low-level telekinesis, Hal Jordan displayed the ability to warp reality through willpower alone.

Get back to me when Frank Castle has a chance in hell of doing something similar.

Was that after he had recieved training for using the ring or before?

Originally posted by grey fox
The rings works off of willpower and emotion. Both Ollie and Batman understand that man is a horrible monstrous creature , but at times can be lead to moral and virtuous situations.

Punisher thinks everyone is a criminal or criminal in waiting. Criminals are 100% evil and deserve to be killed. No mercy.

I'd be incredibly surprised if the ring even gave a slight glow for Punisher.

I dont think he thinks that everybody is a criminal but he is merciless. Hell one man saved Franks life from DP because he saved his families life. Hes just extreme.

When Hal went mad the ring, it almost seemed as if he was more powerful.

Hahahaha

Now Alfheim is comparing Frank Castle to ****ing Parallax.

😆.

I'd expect no less.

Originally posted by Soljer
Hahahaha

Now Alfheim is comparing Frank Castle to ****ing Parallax.

😆.

I'd expect no less.

Well one incident im thinking of specifically is when Hal recreated star city from his ring, due to the fact that Paralax was controlling him it should have reduced his powers according to the scans that Raoul showed me.

As far as I know Parralax did not make him more powerful Hal draining the abttery did. 😬

Originally posted by Soljer
Hahahaha

Now Alfheim is comparing Frank Castle to ****ing Parallax.

😆.

I'd expect no less.

😂

😂

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God this kids spewin some good stuff out today!

Laugh my fucking ass off.

I didn't think the acronym would do it justice.

hysterical crylaugh hysterical2 lmao 😂

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. It shows Batman was able to use the ring at his first attempt.
2. In this thread Frank is using the power of the death of his family to power the ring. In the scans you posted the death of his family hindered his power, that is not the case in this thread.

Theres not thing to "I give up" about. Hell it could be argued from that post if it wasnt for the death of his parents that actually after 100 years he could catch up with Hal....possibly. 131

holy sweet motherf*cking christ.

read it again. and again. and again. until you get it. and once more just to be sure...

Oh for fuc...

😐

Hal runs over and punches Punisher's jaw off. The Punishers are taken out by Spectre.

No wait... Black Adam tears Frank in half... the Punisher's come later.

Originally posted by Raoul
holy sweet motherf*cking christ.

read it again. and again. and again. until you get it. and once more just to be sure...

There is nothing to get. He used the ring for the first time he had some trouble with it but showed some degree of control. So basically you're assuming that because he had trouble with it for the first time that hes going to keep having trouble with it?

Im getting Jesus ****ing christ for that? So basically he had trouble using it the first time so lets just assume that he will always have trouble using it.

punisher dies

Punisher thinks everyone is a criminal or criminal in waiting. Criminals are 100% evil and deserve to be killed. No mercy.

Batman is the "dark one" of the DC guys and the ring was fine for him. the only big difference between him and Frank is that frank kills (and has cooler monologues).

@Raoul, i think you're the one who needs to read what phantom is saying. you're scans aren't helping you either.

~Sado

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
There is nothing to get. He used the ring for the first time he had some trouble with it but showed some degree of control. So basically you're assuming that because he had trouble with it for the first time that hes going to keep having trouble with it?

Im getting Jesus ****ing christ for that? So basically he had trouble using it the first time so lets just assume that he will always have trouble using it.

no. he had trouble with it, and would always have trouble with it, because of the man he is. he's batman as a direct result of what happened to his parents. his FEAR of the same happening to what happened to his parents, and his quest for vengeance means that he puts FEAR into the minds of criminals. he will never be able to be a top class gl until he moves past whats happened to him in his life, to look for a better tomorrow...

see the parallels?

give batman a yellow ring, and he'd pwn, frank would probably be decent with a yellow ring too, but a gl ring is a whole other ball-game...

Originally posted by Sado22
@Raoul, i think you're the one who needs to read what phantom is saying. you're scans aren't helping you either.

~Sado

then you aren't reading them right... 😬

Originally posted by Raoul
no. he had trouble with it,

I would expect anybody to have trouble with something if he used it for the first time.

Originally posted by Raoul

and would always have trouble with it, because of the man he is. he's batman as a direct result of what happened to his parents. his FEAR of the same happening to what happened to his parents, and his quest for vengeance means that he puts FEAR into the minds of criminals. he will never be able to be a top class gl until he moves past whats happened to him in his life, to look for a better tomorrow...

see the parallels?

No because:

1. It could be argued that if Bruce was given a GL ring and told that if you become a GL and do such and such you will get your parents back that he could look to a better tommorrow if he believed this to be true.

I have stated at the beginning of this thread that Frank is told he'll get back his family obvoulsy I stated this to indicate that he would believe this and work for it. The situation in the scans is different because he doesnt believe his parents are coming back so there is no motivation to let go. 131

2. How comes Sinestro and Hal possesed by Parallax were able to use the ring? Most of what they do involves fear.

3. The GLs are allowed to kill now, they didnt suddenly lose the ability to use the rings. Im pretty sure that would instill fear.

Originally posted by Raoul

give batman a yellow ring, and he'd pwn, frank would probably be decent with a yellow ring too, but a gl ring is a whole other ball-game...

True but you still have not proven that he cant use the ring well.

Originally posted by Raoul

then you aren't reading them right... 😬

Seems like he is to me.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I would expect anybody to have trouble with something if he used it for the first time.

but it was harder for him than others...

No because:

1. It could be argued that if Bruce was given a GL ring and told that if you become a GL and do such and such you will get your parents back that he could look to a better tommorrow if he believed this to be true.

I have stated at the beginning of this thread that Frank is told he'll get back his family obvoulsy I stated this to indicate that he would believe this and work for it. The situation in the scans is different because he doesnt believe his parents are coming back so there is no motivation to let go. 131

actually no... gl rings aren't to be used for personal gain... and even if they were, frank isnt overcoming fear by getting his family back, in fact the fear of failure and not getting his family back might prove to hinder him more than anything else...

2. How comes Sinestro and Hal possesed by Parallax were able to use the ring? Most of what they do involves fear.

sinestro was a master green lantern before he turned evil, he'd have no trouble manipulating the ring...

parallax as hal (im not sure if he used the ring, its been a while since i read it), would still be hal, and have all of his knowledge/willpower...

True but you still have not proven that he cant use the ring well.

so i have to prove a negative? you have to prove that he can, and yet you haven't imo...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I would expect anybody to have trouble with something if he used it for the first time.

Firstly,the Day prep let's them jizz punisher.

Secondly,hysterical

raoul, i'll openly (and maybe proudly) admit that that i don't read DC cuz i hate DC, except for Batman comics. so my knowledge of the other guys is limited.

that aside, based on the scans your provided it doesn't that frank would be inefficient in handling it because for one both frank and bruce are driven by the same things (personal loss turned to rage and vengeance) and that they both haven't completely forgotten their painful past. hal even mentions how you have to come to terms with it. so i'm sorry but i don't see your point.

~Sado

Originally posted by Raoul
but it was harder for him than others...

1. Do you have scans of other GLs using the ring for the first time?
2. Even if you do its doesnt matter. Its incorrect logic to think because somebody has a better start that they will always be better than a slow beginner.

Originally posted by Raoul

actually no... gl rings aren't to be used for personal gain.

They are in this thread.

Originally posted by Raoul

.. and even if they were, frank isnt overcoming fear by getting his family back, in fact the fear of failure and not getting his family back might prove to hinder him more than anything else...

They keyword there is 'might'. Your assuming that somebody after 100 years with strong willpower cant focus on the possibility of getting his family back instead of the fear of losing them. Hell it could be argued that even if doesnt get his family back he would enjoy killing villains along the way.

Kyles had to deal with bereavment hasnt stopped him from using the ring. Can you prove that Kyle has stronger willpower than Frank...hell when he got chosen he was told "you will have to do".

Originally posted by Raoul

sinestro was a master green lantern before he turned evil, he'd have no trouble manipulating the ring...

He was evil and he used the ring. According to your theory that would have reduced his power. So fear does not neccesarily stop you from using the ring if you have the will.

Originally posted by Raoul

parallax as hal (im not sure if he used the ring, its been a while since i read it), would still be hal, and have all of his knowledge/willpower...

So? Shouldnt his power have reduced? When Star City was destroyed he recreated the whole city with his ring.

What about the GLs killing, was their power reduced?

Originally posted by Raoul

so i have to prove a negative? you have to prove that he can, and yet you haven't imo...

As far as I can see you have not proven anything. Everybody knows that willpower powers the GL ring but you are arguing that Franks fear will hinder him, this is contradicted by:

1. Kyle has had to deal with bereavment and continued being a GL, apparently there is nothing particulary special about him either, sure he has strong willpower but hes not Jesus Christ.
2. Sinestro used the ring while commiting evil acts.
3. Hal still was able to use the riing after Star City was destroyed.
4. Gls can now kill and their power is not reduced.