Originally posted by Sado22The fact that Batman hasn't let go of his past and is driven by that personal loss turned vengeance is why he's ineffective at using the Power Ring.
raoul, i'll openly (and maybe proudly) admit that that i don't read DC cuz i hate DC, except for Batman comics. so my knowledge of the other guys is limited.that aside, based on the scans your provided it doesn't that frank would be inefficient in handling it because for one both frank and bruce are driven by the same things (personal loss turned to rage and vengeance) and that they both haven't completely forgotten their painful past. hal even mentions how you have to come to terms with it. so i'm sorry but i don't see your point.
~Sado
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The fact that Batman hasn't let go of his past and is driven by that personal loss turned vengeance is why he's ineffective at using the Power Ring.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I have stated at the beginning of this thread that Frank is told he'll get back his family obvoulsy I stated this to indicate that he would believe this and work for it. The situation in the scans is different because he doesnt believe his parents are coming back so there is no motivation to let go. 131
Also other characters driven by instilling fear in others have been able to use the GL ring.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneWhat teachers told you in school doesn't necessarily apply to comics.
Even if you do its doesnt matter. Its incorrect logic to think because somebody has a better start that they will always be better than a slow beginner.
The ones who are chosen by Mogo are chosen because they're compatible. People who run in shoes that are to large to fill tend to fall over a lot.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneLet's make shit up to try and give Punisher better chances.
They are in this thread.
Do you really think a thread like this makes Punisher look good?
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneYou're comparing Sinestro and Hal Jordan, being able to effectively wield a weapon they already know very well despite a restrictive factor, to someone who has the restrictive factor in place as they're trying to learn how to use the weapon at all. False analogy.
Also other characters driven by instilling fear in others have been able to use the GL ring.
Also that he's going to try and kill people purely to get his family that were killed that he's still obsessing about doesn't strike me as letting go of his past... ergo the restrictive factor to him wielding the weapon is still in place.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What teachers told you in school doesn't necessarily apply to comics.
Prove it. If I put one foot in front of the other i'll assume that its the same in comics unless proven otherwise. If somebody jumps in water, they get wet in comics unless proven otherwise. If somebody has trouble learning at his first attempt unless proven otherwise you cant assume that he cant catch up.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The ones who are chosen by Mogo are chosen because they're compatible.
Right and since Frank isnt a member of the DCU you cant prove that hes not compatible but we do know that he has strong will and that is important to the use of the ring.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Let's make shit up to try and give Punisher better chances.
Tough im the threadstarter and I stated that he can use teh ring to conquer earth. Furthermore Sinetsro used his ring to become a dictator anyway. 131
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You're comparing Sinestro and Hal Jordan, being able to effectively wield a weapon they already know very well despite a restrictive factor, to someone who has the restrictive factor in place as they're trying to learn how to use the weapon at all. False analogy.
First of all its not even a restrictive factor because he can get his family back.
Secondly even if it was a restrictive factor you cant assume he cant get better.
Hal or Sinestros power were not reduced by fear, so if you have willpower that does not neccesarily mean that fear can stop you if you have strong willpower.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Also that he's going to try and kill people purely to get his family that were killed that he's still obsessing about doesn't strike me as letting go of his past... ergo the restrictive factor to him wielding the weapon is still in place.
The reason why its a restrictive factor because you are assuming that
he cant focus on the job. Hell im pretty sure Gls get into battles were they need to save love ones but they still focus their minds.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneHow long do you think some of the other Green Lanterns from other sectors have been Green Lanterns? How long do you think Kilowog has been one to become a trainer of Green Lanterns? People chosen by Mogo because of their attributes making them suitable Green Lanterns. How long has the sentient planet Mogo been one?
Prove it. If I put one foot in front of the other i'll assume that its the same in comics unless proven otherwise. If somebody jumps in water, they get wet in comics unless proven otherwise. If somebody has trouble learning at his first attempt unless proven otherwise you cant assume that he cant catch up.Right and since Frank isnt a member of the DCU you cant prove that hes not compatible but we do know that he has strong will and that is important to the use of the ring.
How long did it take Kyle Rayner to surpass pretty much all of them because of his innate personality and ability? With the exception of Hal, whom most consider to be equal. You either have it or you don't, and Punisher like Batman doesn't.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneThe Word destroys Punisher and his stupid robots. 😐
Tough im the threadstarter and I stated that he can use teh ring to conquer earth. Furthermore Sinetsro used his ring to become a dictator anyway. 131
Conquering Earth won't be quite as easy as conquering Korugar though. And Sinestro did that under the guise of protecting, upholding good, and the green lantern code. He just went too far with it eventually. That was why it was allowed for the time, because it was within the rings parameters.
Check out what happened when Hal misused the ring in Emerald Twilight.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
How long do you think some of the other Green Lanterns from other sectors have been Green Lanterns? How long do you think Kilowog has been one to become a trainer of Green Lanterns? People chosen by Mogo because of their attributes making them suitable Green Lanterns. How long has the sentient planet Mogo been one?How long did it take Kyle Rayner to surpass pretty much all of them because of his innate personality and ability? With the exception of Hal, whom most consider to be equal.
There two things that need to be considered:
1. Can Frank become a decent GL
2. Can Frank be as good as Hal
The fact that others have been doing it for ages implies there is a strong possibility that Frank will not be on the level of Hal or Kyle but that does not prove that he cant be a good GL.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You either have it or you don't, and Punisher like Batman doesn't.
The Word destroys Punisher and his stupid robots. 😐
Really? Thats not what you said when I created the Frank Castle vs Thing thread. Hell Frank only had 1 years prep here he gets 100.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The GL ring can do anything that the user can imagine and will. One could argue that the Punisher may not have sufficient imagination or willpower, but frankly I don't think it would require that much to take out poor Benji.
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Theres a good case for Frank not being as good as Hal but theres also a good case for him being a good GL.
Originally posted by Juntai
Conquering Earth won't be quite as easy as conquering Korugar though. And Sinestro did that under the guise of protecting, upholding good, and the green lantern code. He just went too far with it eventually. That was why it was allowed for the time, because it was within the rings parameters.
He could conquer the earth within GL parameters he could argue that hes doing it for the good of the people as well.
Originally posted by Juntai
Check out what happened when Hal misused the ring in Emerald Twilight.
Ok but why didnt he ring backfire on him when he was Parallax? Bro all that happened was that he got a holographic porjection from Oa saying he cnat use the ring and that happened when the power of the ring ran out. I also stated at the beginning of the thread that Frank has his own battery so they cant cut off his supply even if they wanted to. 😬
Batman with a GL ring would be able to beat Thing. That doesn't mean he'd be a good GL. Even with a century. It certainly doesn't mean being anywhere near as good as Hal or Kyle.
Thing = DCU? 100 Things = DCU?
If you realize that there's no chance in hell that he'd be as good as Hal or Kyle, or even Guy or John, or Kilowog or Salaak, (because he wouldn't) then what on Earth makes you think that adding some robots that Zatanna can turn into butterflies (not matter manipulation, magic) can manage to take out the entirety of DC Earth, which would include the likes of some of the above? As well as a fifth dimensional imp, several pantheons of Skyfathers, people who can easily stop him dead in his tracks like Johnny Sorrow, Saint of Killers, Jesse Custer (technically Vertigo but they still interact with main DC on occasion)?
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneIt's not something to debate, it just is or isn't.
He could conquer the earth within GL parameters he could argue that hes doing it for the good of the people as well.
But the point was Korugar didn't have superheros like Earth does, they only had Sinestro.
Ok but why didnt he ring backfire on him when he was Parallax?Hal Jordan was still pure of heart and intention, regardless of Parallax's involvement.
Originally posted by Sado22
raoul, i'll openly (and maybe proudly) admit that that i don't read DC cuz i hate DC, except for Batman comics. so my knowledge of the other guys is limited.that aside, based on the scans your provided it doesn't that frank would be inefficient in handling it because for one both frank and bruce are driven by the same things (personal loss turned to rage and vengeance) and that they both haven't completely forgotten their painful past. hal even mentions how you have to come to terms with it. so i'm sorry but i don't see your point.
~Sado
i know... they have to come to terms with it to use the gl ring effectively, thats how it works... batman wont ever be a great gl until he deals with that loss...
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. Do you have scans of other GLs using the ring for the first time?
2. Even if you do its doesnt matter. Its incorrect logic to think because somebody has a better start that they will always be better than a slow beginner.
actually, no, that's not what i'm saying at all...
They are in this thread.
which just illustrates how little you know of gl, then... 😬
They keyword there is 'might'. Your assuming that somebody after 100 years with strong willpower cant focus on the possibility of getting his family back instead of the fear of losing them. Hell it could be argued that even if doesnt get his family back he would enjoy killing villains along the way.
no it can't...
Kyles had to deal with bereavment hasnt stopped him from using the ring. Can you prove that Kyle has stronger willpower than Frank...hell when he got chosen he was told "you will have to do".
kyle doesnt let his pain define who he is...
He was evil and he used the ring. According to your theory that would have reduced his power. So fear does not neccesarily stop you from using the ring if you have the will.
being evil is not equal to having fear. ALL green lantern's have to overcome great fear, its pretty much a requirement of getting the ring... and sinestro isn't evil... he's a villain yes, but only because his views are misguided... he's like magneto in his own way...
So? Shouldnt his power have reduced? When Star City was destroyed he recreated the whole city with his ring.
COAST CITY. COAST. CITY.
What about the GLs killing, was their power reduced?
up until about three issues ago, GL rings couldnt kill. at ALL. it was hardwired into them by the guardians. this lethal force thing is brand new.
As far as I can see you have not proven anything.
and you have? i don't have to prove he can't, you have to prove he CAN. which you haven't done...
Everybody knows that willpower powers the GL ring but you are arguing that Franks fear will hinder him, this is contradicted by:1. Kyle has had to deal with bereavment and continued being a GL, apparently there is nothing particulary special about him either, sure he has strong willpower but hes not Jesus Christ.
Its not the same. Kyle has gone through bereavement, yes, but it didnt define him the way bruce or frank let their own pain define them...
2. Sinestro used the ring while commiting evil acts.
there's nothing that says the ring can't be used for evil, if used with the skill of a master, which sinestro us...
3. Hal still was able to use the riing after Star City was destroyed.
because he's HAL FRICKIN JORDAN. THE GREATEST GREEN LANTERN WHO EVER LIVED.
4. Gls can now kill and their power is not reduced.
why would it be? the guardians said it can be used for that... but everyone using the rings now was still recruited the exact same way... they all had the ability to overcome great fear, they were all chosen by mogo... they were GL's before the change, and they'll be GL's if it changes back...
i know... they have to come to terms with it to use the gl ring effectively, thats how it works... batman wont ever be a great gl until he deals with that loss...
~Sado
Originally posted by Raoul
i know... they have to come to terms with it to use the gl ring effectively, thats how it works... batman wont ever be a great gl until he deals with that loss...actually, no, that's not what i'm saying at all...
which just illustrates how little you know of gl, then... 😬
no it can't...
kyle doesnt let his pain define who he is...
being evil is not equal to having fear. ALL green lantern's have to overcome great fear, its pretty much a requirement of getting the ring... and sinestro isn't evil... he's a villain yes, but only because his views are misguided... he's like magneto in his own way...
COAST CITY. [b]COAST. CITY.
up until about three issues ago, GL rings couldnt kill. at ALL. it was hardwired into them by the guardians. this lethal force thing is brand new.
and you have? i don't have to prove he can't, you have to prove he CAN. which you haven't done...
Its not the same. Kyle has gone through bereavement, yes, but it didnt define him the way bruce or frank let their own pain define them...
there's nothing that says the ring can't be used for evil, if used with the skill of a master, which sinestro us...
because he's HAL FRICKIN JORDAN. THE GREATEST GREEN LANTERN WHO EVER LIVED.
why would it be? the guardians said it can be used for that... but everyone using the rings now was still recruited the exact same way... they all had the ability to overcome great fear, they were all chosen by mogo... they were GL's before the change, and they'll be GL's if it changes back... [/B]
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Originally posted by Sado22
okay but the scenario for Frank says that he gets his family back. that's a hellova motivation right there. also frank has ignored the whole family plead thing in the past when Micro kidnapped him in MAX. he also ignored it all when the angels showed him paradise and his family after Punisher: purgatory.....he was able to live with it even then.~Sado
it goes deeper than that though... why is he the punisher? what drove him to be that guy? hal lost his father, but he still became a pilot, kyle lost his girlfriends, but he didnt let it stop him being who he was, guy gardner, john stewart, kilowog lost his entire planet, alot of gl's have experienced loss, but they didnt let it take over their lives...
Originally posted by llagrok
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Originally posted by Raoul
it goes deeper than that though... why is he the punisher? what drove him to be that guy? hal lost his father, but he still became a pilot, kyle lost his girlfriends, but he didnt let it stop him being who he was, guy gardner, john stewart, kilowog lost his entire planet, alot of gl's have experienced loss, but they didnt let it take over their lives...
I'll respond to the rest of the post later.
Even in the scans you provided showed that Batman had limited control (got rid of the bats that were driving him nuts) He doesnt even need to let go of it it would just take him longer. It could dman well be argued that he could use the fear to work for him. Hell the reason why the image stopped projecting was because Batman didnt want to see it anymore. "I dont want to".
Furthermore why are these people GLs in the firstplace? You dont think that the fact that Kilowog lost his planet and stopping that from happening again is part of what motivates him?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I would expect anybody to have trouble with something if he used it for the first time.
Superman didn't have any trouble. Guess why.
Originally posted by Sado22
raoul, i'll openly (and maybe proudly) admit that that i don't read DC cuz i hate DC
Thanks for admitting that you're a biased moron. Your opinion bears no weight in this thread.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Right and since Frank isnt a member of the DCU you cant prove that hes not compatible but we do know that he has strong will and that is important to the use of the ring.
We also know that a strong will isn't nearly enough. Ollie has a strong will. Batman has a far stronger will than the Punisher. Neither'd make very good lanterns.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
There two things that need to be considered:
1. Can Frank become a decent GL
2. Can Frank be as good as Hal
1. Define decent. Would he, eventually, be a low-mid-tier? Sure. He'd never even have the likes of Hal or Kyle in his sights.
2. See above. He'd never be a quarter as formidable as Jordan.
Originally posted by RaoulCOAST CITY. [b]COAST. CITY.
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Originally posted by Raoulbecause he's [b]HAL FRICKIN JORDAN
. THE GREATEST GREEN LANTERN WHO EVER LIVED.
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