Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Yes lets ignore the truth,surfer cant amp his physical stats indefinitely hell he cant amp them to supes level,he never has,ever,supes dominates surfer in a hand to hand fight.
It's not that Surfer can't do this, he can, but people always forget when debating Surfer vs Superman, everything Surfer does, takes time, nothing is instantaneous.
So while Surfer is amping, Superman is sitting down with his feet up, 'allowing' this to go on? I don't think so.
Surfer isn't strong enough, cannot 'fight' fast enough, and isn't physically durable enough to throw down with Superman. With no time for amping of any kind, Surfer is in too deep.
Superman wins.
I have to say that each point you make is unequivocally false.
Surfer is far more than durable enough to take a barrage from Superman (that is if Superman is fast enough to even tag Surfer, which he patently is not). the only way you could possibly dispute this is if you believe that Superman is stronger than Teneberous, Aegis or UniLord. all of whom have physically assaulted Surfer with intent to kill and have failed to do so.
Surfer also is fast enough, and instantaneously so, to move at FTL speeds so as to keep dodging and not present a target (as he demonstrated to Deathurge). he can instantly absorb and transform any type of energy thrown at him (as he did when he took on several avengers) so there's more than enough reason to suppose that instead of pouring that energy away he could keep it and enhance his physical stats.
the simple truth is that Surfer, unlike Superman, has absolutely no need in the normal course of his comics, to resort to physically pounding on an enemy. he's just too damned versatile and has too many far more effective and efficient powers to do something so ... out of character as physically pummel someone.
that said, he did take on Hulk and the warbound on Sakaar, whilst depowered and lacking access to the Power Cosmic and handled them all pretty definitively (unless you wanna talk about the cheap shot). moreover Surfer has allowed a Banner-less Hulk to pound on him with no ill effect.
simply put, Superman's screwed for a way to take down Surfer, while Surfer's just gotta be pissed off enough to do what has to be done.
Originally posted by janus77
I have to say that each point you make is unequivocally false.
Surfer is far more than durable enough to take a barrage from Superman (that is if Superman is fast enough to even tag Surfer, which he patently is not). the only way you could possibly dispute this is if you believe that Superman is stronger than Teneberous, Aegis or UniLord. all of whom have physically assaulted Surfer with intent to kill and have failed to do so.Surfer also is fast enough, and instantaneously so, to move at FTL speeds so as to keep dodging and not present a target (as he demonstrated to Deathurge). he can instantly absorb and transform any type of energy thrown at him (as he did when he took on several avengers) so there's more than enough reason to suppose that instead of pouring that energy away he could keep it and enhance his physical stats.
the simple truth is that Surfer, unlike Superman, has absolutely no need in the normal course of his comics, to resort to physically pounding on an enemy. he's just too damned versatile and has too many far more effective and efficient powers to do something so ... out of character as physically pummel someone.
that said, he did take on Hulk and the warbound on Sakaar, whilst depowered and lacking access to the Power Cosmic and handled them all pretty definitively (unless you wanna talk about the cheap shot). moreover Surfer has allowed a Banner-less Hulk to pound on him with no ill effect.
simply put, Superman's screwed for a way to take down Surfer, while Surfer's just gotta be pissed off enough to do what has to be done.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Lawl this is almost funny,surfer has got his shit stomped on nearly every occasion that hes run up against decent bricks,aegis tenebrous or even galactus dont have physical feats nor showed themselves physical powerhouses so try again,and again surfer has lost time and time again to people much weaker and slower and less durable then superman in physical combat,hes completelly outmatched in every category,he cant magically amp himself outta nowhere to match supes cause again hes never ****ing done it,and comparing the warbound and planet hulk to superman is just laughable,superman shit stomps surfer it would be a pathetic beatdown.
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Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Lawl this is almost funny,surfer has got his shit stomped on nearly every occasion that hes run up against decent bricks,aegis tenebrous or even galactus dont have physical feats nor showed themselves physical powerhouses so try again,and again surfer has lost time and time again to people much weaker and slower and less durable then superman in physical combat,hes completelly outmatched in every category,he cant magically amp himself outta nowhere to match supes cause again hes never ****ing done it,and comparing the warbound and planet hulk to superman is just laughable,superman shit stomps surfer it would be a pathetic beatdown.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm interested to hearing about all these instances of Surfer getting his ass kicked by "brick" characters that you're talking about...
If we go by what Surfer can do (ie, amping his strength, speed and durability), then even though Superman is the more experienced brawler, it would be tough for him to put down an opponent who can "out-Super" him.
On the other hand, Superman is the superior brawler, plus (love it or hate it) he does have that (writer-generated?) tendency to "automatically" amp when the going gets really, really, really tough (and an amped Surfer would certainly qualify).
Since I see Surfer definitely beating Superman w/o power restrictions, I am inclined to give the toe-to-toe win to Superman because brawling is what Supes does (he is--arguably--the best at it).
Superman ftw 6/10.
Originally posted by Mindship
If we go by what Surfer can do (ie, amping his strength, speed and durability), then even though Superman is the more experienced brawler, it would be tough for him to put down an opponent who can "out-Super" him.On the other hand, Superman is the superior brawler, plus (love it or hate it) he does have that (writer-generated?) tendency to "automatically" amp when the going gets really, really, really tough (and an amped Surfer would certainly qualify).
Since I see Surfer definitely beating Superman w/o power restrictions, I am inclined to give the toe-to-toe win to Superman because brawling is what Supes does (he is--arguably--the best at it).
Superman ftw 6/10.
This is a good post.
I have one question, though, can Surfer amp himself to Superman level attributes, at the same time as being attacked/ punched?
Originally posted by Unnatural-POWERMerci.
This is a good post.
I have one question, though, can Surfer amp himself to Superman level attributes, at the same time as being attacked/ punched?Good question. Surfer does have "insane durability" (gosh I like that term), so I imagine that Superman would get in a few good blows, rocking Surfer but not putting him down, not before Surfer could amp-up and send a few back. But that could well be too late a countermove for a victory.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
You don't have to be extremely fast to "even tag Surfer".Ask Thanos. Or Spider-Man. Or Hulk. Or... well you get the idea.
Hulk's tagged speedsters of the cosmic order before, Jack of Hearts even comments on Hulk's phenomenal reactions. it's just another example of his innate strength.
and Thanos? Thanos is hard to peg but I'd say he's pretty fast given the types of characters he regularly pawns. only character ever to blitz him, as far as I'm aware, was The Runner (and he did that to Surfer too).
Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
IMO, by removing these exploitations from Surfers arsenal, you're also removing his ability to win.Superman wins.
Agreed.
True that Surfer can amp, but you need to take into consideration that while he is doing this Superman will be assaulting him, and I respect the Surfer but if you're going to fight Supes you better bring your A+ game.
Surfer's inability to exploit Superman's unreliable weaknesses is not his A+ game.