Silver Surfer and Superman throw down like men...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh it's been concretely established on panel to be one of his abilities, it's just not something that gets mentioned all that often...
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7291/ffv15511ampingjv0.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3043/ffv15512amping2qv5.jpg

And if you're wondering why Surfer's base strength was less than Thing's in that instance, it's from his period of being depowered on Earth.

To me, this clearly shows Surfer amping himself up, so i won't debate this point anymore, that is irrefutable proof IMO.
Credit to you for those scans.

Originally posted by darthgoober
For the most part I agree with you. I disagree in that I think Surfer takes a clear majority in fight with NO stipulations, but I can agree that they split this particular fight 5/10 each since Surfer's allowed to amp and that Supes would win 7/10 if Surfer wasn't allowed to amp.

I was basing my 5/10 split on Surfer being able to amp while being attacked, and this is a point i'm still not so sure about, i mean could he still amp himself while being hit from someone like Superman?
I'm not debating if he could take a punch from Superman, because of course he can, what i'm unsure of, is whether he could keep concentration WHILE being attacked.

But i'm happy with the 7/10 un-amped Surfer, i feel that is about right IMO.

It's late now (1am), so i'm gonna go now, but if you wanna debate more tomorrow then we can resume then, or if you feel everything has already been said then i'm okay with that too.

Thanks for keeping it friendly buddy 🙂

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Who wins in a fight in space with no "cheap" tactics? That means no weakness exploitation for Surfer and no speed blitz or T-Vo for Supes.

I find it very odd that you'd think speed blitz or T-Vo are "cheap tactics" for Superman. I could see the argument that the nature of Torquasm-Vo would make things difficult for Surfer since it's not traditional telepathy (and is pretty Deus Machina, but I see people argue stuff on assumption for Surfer all the time), but otherwise it looks like a lack of confidence in Surfer's speed and telepathy/telepathic defense.

^ I think he meant speed blitz right from the onset of the fight. Dont think he meant Superman cant use his combat speed once the fight gets going for a while.

Just how I understood it anyway.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Lets see...

If we say that....

1. Surfer doesnt exploit Superman's weaknesses to K-nite....such as by duplicating it for weapons or bombarding Superman with RedSun...or changing his own body into K-nite.

2. Surfer doesnt screw with Superman's DNA or matter.

3. Surfer doesnt utilize cosmic energy to amp beyond Superman levels.

4. Surfer doesnt cheat by utilizing cosmic energy to sustain his endurance or heal any damage recieved.

5. Surfer doesnt utilize cosmic energy to boost his body armor/durability....

6. Surfer doesnt utilize his cosmic awareness to locate and use Lois as a human shield...

Then Id definitely say that Superman should take this for a majority of 7/10.

Odd why does he never use this in any fights that matter and he always loses?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ I think he meant speed blitz right from the onset of the fight. Dont think he meant Superman cant use his combat speed once the fight gets going for a while.

Just how I understood it anyway.

I still find it odd, given the rep Surfer's speed has, and who made the topic. I'd think someone would only disallow it(regardless of it being period or at the beginning) as a "cheap tactic" unless they weren't confident in Surfer's ability to handle Superman's speed. T-Vo I give at least somewhat of a pass on thinking the same due to the vague nature(well technically it'd still be lack of confidence but I'm talking about the vague nature meaning traditional telepathy may not work, instead of lack of confidence in Surfer's raw telepathic power/Defense).

But I don't expect him to remember the exact reason he detailed the stipulations given it was over 11 years ago.