Stayne Vs Thanos.

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Silent Master Senior Member

I'd settle for, "there is no proof that Odin was going all out".

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'd settle for, "there is no proof that Odin was going all out".
There was,you just choose to disagree with it. i have already posted my proof. We just disagree. There is no proof that he wasnt going all out either if we go by what your demands.

Silent Master Senior Member
Originally posted by quanchi112
There was,

No there isn't, proof and speculation aren't the same thing.

you just choose to disagree with it.

Correction, I have chosen to disgaree with your speculation, BTW; speculation isn't the same thing as proof.

i have already posted my proof.

No, you've posted your speculation, which once again isn't the same thing as proof.

We just disagree.

Mainly because you are under the false assumption that speculation and proof are the same thing.

There is no proof that he wasnt going all out either if we go by what your demands.

You are the only one claiming that there is proof, my stance is that the comic never said he was going all out.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Odin ever drained himself on the battlefield?

I know Sentry and WW Hulk have,but when has Odin?


Never all at once Sentry style that I know of. BUT as far as getting worn out over the course of a battle... I can almost guarantee it happened in his battle with Set and to a far greater degree than he showed in the Thanos fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Just because a galaxy wasnt destroyed that doesnt mean he wasnt going all out. Collateral damage doesnt make for a good argument imo.

Collateral damage isn't good indication, but the fact that Odin was still ready for more is. But by the same token, since Thanos had more power available and was ready for more it means that no one can rightly claim that he'd gone all out yet either.

See I think the problem is that you and SM are debating different things. There are at least two different ways of interpreting the phrase "going all out". The first means that a character is really trying to put the other guy down and isn't specifically holding back power for fear of injuring his opponent, this is what your doing. The other meas that a character expends all his power AND reserves in one last ditch effort that leaves them spent(since their reserves are gone also), and that's the usage that SM is debating.

The Great Galen Restricted

Originally posted by darthgoober
Never all at once Sentry style that I know of. BUT as far as getting worn out over the course of a battle... I can almost guarantee it happened in his battle with Set and to a far greater degree than he showed in the Thanos fight.

Collateral damage isn't good indication, but the fact that Odin was still ready for more is. But by the same token, since Thanos had more power available and was ready for more it means that no one can rightly claim that he'd gone all out yet either.

See I think the problem is that you and SM are debating different things. There are at least two different ways of interpreting the phrase "going all out". The first means that a character is really trying to put the other guy down and isn't specifically holding back power for fear of injuring his opponent, this is what your doing. The other meas that a character expends all his power AND reserves in one last ditch effort that leaves them spent(since their reserves are gone also), and that's the usage that SM is debating.

IMO, thanos was out of it...he looked like he could only endure for a short period more before his eventual defeat.

KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member

^^^^^^ speculation. Again Silent couldn't also be assumed that since Odin never states he's going all out that he could very well have been going all out? Whether it was all out or not the fact remains he was using a great deal of force to kill Thanos.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by The Great Galen
IMO, thanos was out of it...he looked like he could only endure for a short period more before his eventual defeat.

And that's a perfectly acceptable opinion to have. Others might disagree, but as long as the opinion is recognized as such it's all good.

Silent Master Senior Member
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
^^^^^^ speculation. Again Silent couldn't also be assumed that since Odin never states he's going all out that he could very well have been going all out? Whether it was all out or not the fact remains he was using a great deal of force to kill Thanos.

You can assume and speculate all you want, as long as you admit that your assumptions and speculations aren't proof. Again, my statement was that there was no actual proof in the comic that Odin was going all out.

BTW, I should add that my stance was and is 100% correct as there is no statement by either the characters or in the narration that states Odin was indeed going all out.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Silent Master
No there isn't, proof and speculation aren't the same thing.

Correction, I have chosen to disgaree with your speculation, BTW; speculation isn't the same thing as proof.

No, you've posted your speculation, which once again isn't the same thing as proof.

Mainly because you are under the false assumption that speculation and proof are the same thing.

You are the only one claiming that there is proof, my stance is that the comic never said he was going all out.

No comic has stated this,so I guess he has never gone out, according to you.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by darthgoober
Never all at once Sentry style that I know of. BUT as far as getting worn out over the course of a battle... I can almost guarantee it happened in his battle with Set and to a far greater degree than he showed in the Thanos fight.

Collateral damage isn't good indication, but the fact that Odin was still ready for more is. But by the same token, since Thanos had more power available and was ready for more it means that no one can rightly claim that he'd gone all out yet either.

See I think the problem is that you and SM are debating different things. There are at least two different ways of interpreting the phrase "going all out". The first means that a character is really trying to put the other guy down and isn't specifically holding back power for fear of injuring his opponent, this is what your doing. The other meas that a character expends all his power AND reserves in one last ditch effort that leaves them spent(since their reserves are gone also), and that's the usage that SM is debating.

A character doesnt have to expend all their energy to prove they were going all out. Odin never expended even close to all of his energy,even when he lost to the Celestials. The battle with Seth was more epic but just because more collateral damage was caused,that doesnt mean he didnt try as hard against Thanos. He admitted he wanted to kill Thanos.

This fight proved that Thanos could take Odin's power on from a durability standpoint. Thanos offensively didnt hurt him significantly though. But,Thanos proved that he could take an Odin assault for quite some time. He wasnt beaten yet.

But,Odin has never spent all of his energies before in any other fight. It isnt like Odin is undefeated either. See my point?

Silent Master Senior Member

So are you claiming that Odin used the same amount of power against Thanos that he did against Seth?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Silent Master
So are you claiming that Odin used the same amount of power against Thanos that he did against Seth?
Odin was out to kill Thanos. I am saying he wasnt holding back anything. You dont have to expend all your energy to show you arent holding back imo.

Silent Master Senior Member
Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin was out to kill Thanos. I am saying he wasnt holding back anything. You dont have to expend all your energy to show you arent holding back imo.

So, did he use as much power in his fight against Thanos that he used against Seth?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, did he use as much power in his fight against Thanos that he used against Seth?
Let me ask something. You wont answer any of my questions,then demand I answer yours. doesnt work that way. Is it your opinion that Odin went all out against seth?

Silent Master Senior Member

IMO he used much more power in the Seth fight, whether he used all the power he could have, I have no way of proving it one way or the other as I don't recall such being stated in the comic.

Now that I've answered a question of yours, Did Odin use the same amount of power in both the Thanos and Seth fights?

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
A character doesnt have to expend all their energy to prove they were going all out. Odin never expended even close to all of his energy,even when he lost to the Celestials. The battle with Seth was more epic but just because more collateral damage was caused,that doesnt mean he didnt try as hard against Thanos. He admitted he wanted to kill Thanos.

I didn't say that they HAD to expend all their energy for the term to be applicable, in fact I specifically listed your interpretation as being just as valid as SM's.

And truth be told, there are far more characters who've NEVER went all out than there are characters who have. Thanos, Surfer, Odin... hell Jubilee for that matter, we've never positively seen ANY of their maximum power output because none of them have ever been given a definite limit yet.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This fight proved that Thanos could take Odin's power on from a durability standpoint. Thanos offensively didnt hurt him significantly though. But,Thanos proved that he could take an Odin assault for quite some time. He wasnt beaten yet.

Yes it did prove that Thanos could take Odin's power in the manner in which you're speaking, but it in no way indicated that he could handle Odin's power in the way that SM is referring to. That's why I said that your two are debating different things. And you know what... you're both right. Odin WAS trying his damnedest to put Thanos down(which is what you're saying), but at no point was it established that Odin was putting all the energy he had available into a major assault on Thanos(which is what SM is saying). See you're arguing that Odin was fighting at peak capacity(which he was) and SM is arguing that Odin never went Sentry/WWH on Thanos.

That's why the debate is pointless.

Originally posted by quanchi112
But,Odin has never spent all of his energies before in any other fight. It isnt like Odin is undefeated either. See my point?

Not really unless your point is that Odin's wasn't shown to go all out in the manner to which SM's referring to in his fight with Thanos. If he's still got energy left to fight with, then he didn't release ALL of his power at his opponent.

King Kandy Senior Member

Isn't this really a no-limits fallacy to say Odin wasn't going all out? Because by that logic you can just say that whoever he stalemated he would have easily beat had he gone all out.

Odin vs. Celestials? Doesn't count, he wasn't going all out.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Silent Master
IMO he used much more power in the Seth fight, whether he used all the power he could have, I have no way of proving it one way or the other as I don't recall such being stated in the comic.

Now that I've answered a question of yours, Did Odin use the same amount of power in both the Thanos and Seth fights?

I see no reason he wasnt using the same power. He wanted to win in both situations. Collateral damage isnt always indicative of someone's power level. There was less collateral damage involved with the Celestials and Odin than some of Odin's other battles.

Silent Master Senior Member

Nobody is trying to grant Odin unlimited power, we are just pointing out that Odin was never stated to be going all out in a specific fight(which IMO is one of his less impressive ones) and that therefore any claims that he was is just speculation.

Silent Master Senior Member
Originally posted by quanchi112
I see no reason he wasnt using the same power. He wanted to win in both situations. Collateral damage isnt always indicative of someone's power level. There was less collateral damage involved with the Celestials and Odin than some of Odin's other battles.

Is that a "yes" to my question?