Originally posted by DigiMark007
Various Adaptoid templates don't add anything to the equation, espcially given Surfer's finite power combined with the severe inexperience of Adaptoid at wielding multiple powers at once, including the masterful skill with Surfer's power that he would need to even have a prayer at this.
Originally posted by Evangel94
#6 Each team is allowed only one amalgam. These cannot be pre-existing amalgams from cross-overs. They are your own home-made amalgam. Amalgam combinations from the comics, e.g.Doom/Surfer, will not necessarily be like how they appeared in the comics. Amalgam powers are not cumulative, i.e., merging Wonder Man and Wonder Woman does not give you CL 200 strength; you are simply whoever is the strongest in their respective power categories. You must designate whose mind and body the amalgam possesses. All amalgams will have full knowledge of how to use all their powers .
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Like I said toward the beggining: My plan is built upon a solid foundation of established powers. Goober's is sepculating wildly. I can't see how anyone outside of the most irrational Surfer fanboy would believe that he'd make even hundreds of dupes, let alone billions.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Thanks for making my point for me about Thor. Problem is, you don't copy Mjolnir. Other problem is that speed doesn't matter in this fight. You're dead regardless, as has been stated multiple times.
Of course I have Mjolnir, it may be a slightly inferior copy but it DOES have Mjolnir’s basic properties. Hell Adaptoid’s had access those since before he’d actually adapted a physical copy(last panel tells the tale)…
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5383/avengers04510nc0.jpg
And since then he’s adapted Thor’s powers even further which is demonstrated by the fact that he now has a physical hammer to go along with those powers…
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3592/acquasar04009cj9.jpg
So yeah, I have me a Mjolnir
Originally posted by DigiMark007
And of course, he doesn't need to be directly in the blast's path to absorb it:
http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=absorb1iu0.jpg
But he can just absorb Surfer's energy as well:
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=surfer1wp5.jpgWe're well-defended.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
None of which work for reasons stated earlier.And this ignores the larger problem of your ludicrous duping plan.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
If you want to try a frontal assault on a world-busting weapon, be my guest.But as stated before, this isn't a problem. The Doctor can rebuild it as needed.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
That's exactly what I'm saying, because you've only shown Mar-Vell healing, and a basic knowledge of powers doesn't = superb experience with the N-Bands.
Basic Knowledge? What does Adaptoid say in the last panel of this scan…
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8868/avengers04511ie3.jpg
Originally posted by DigiMark007
But not Mjolnir, which is where most of his powers are. Next.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Joking, yes? Reed accessed a universe "way down on the multiversal stack" in order to use a universe without life, since he didn't want to kill anything. He can access any of them.It also assumes that the gun's firing used up all the energy from that Big Bang, and considering it only took out a chunk of Galactus, and not several galaxies, it's safe to say there's plenty left in that universe.
Seriously, this is just reaching now.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
The dome extends beneath the Earth. I checked this with Evangel pre-match. There's nowhere for the energy to go. And thus no one to kill but your team, which we've already established will happen.As for aiming it, Doctor can hold Italy but he can't maneuver a building sized weapon around? Please.
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Originally posted by id369
Ah Digi, touched on some issues that I had noticed. I am not going to vote now, but I will address my concern. It seems that Goob is applying a CBR Silver Surfer. 16,384 SA was already a fanatical number, 6 billion is now touching a vary extremist figgure. I cant buy, either scenario at least not with what I am shown.I need to emphasize in the difference in rebuilding/fixing and creating.
Creating complex mechanical machinery is one thing. Meaning; look I just created a car, that runs on water out of thin air. - That my friend is creating.
Rebuilding/Fixing is a different ball park all together. Example: I will now transmutation the non working parts of this automobile into working ones. Thus the automobile will be a working one.
You cant mix one with the other, yes at the end they both have a working auto’s; however different means where applied.
The examples given, for creating where nothing more then re-arranging that which was already their. Quasimodo - was already a machine, molecules where re-arranged to improve its body.
A City was laid a waste, and then restored.You see the examples given to which, he will Create are not the ones suffice to sell his claim.
Justifiably can Silver Adap. create? Yes, however creating a rod embedded with power of cosmic is much simpler then, creating mid herald level android. The rate of his creation will take a huge plunge.The Reprogramming feat, is not a concrete one either.
Silver Surfer’s blast, by passed the robots shielding. This was in effort to damage a specific sensor. That is not re-programming, that’s more along of sabotage malfunction.
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4931/silversurfervol3012ti7.jpg
The Surfer scans were to show that he can create and manipulate complex things and reprogram computers, the technical knowledge necessary to create the complex adaptoid bodies and programming come from the Super Adaptoid, Reed Richards, Hank Pym, and the Fixer(whoes templates I accessed BEFORE the creation process began). Surfer provides the tools, the rest provide the know how.
Also I just noticed Digi's comment about not being able to see the teleportation scan, so here it is again(let me know if this one's tiny too)...
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7996/ffannual05silversurfer1tl0.jpg
not voting yet, but I'm leaning heavily towards darthgoober. Digi's plan seems a bit simplistic (nothing wrong with that if effective) but also inflexible, whereas Goober's plan really allows him to react to many different situations imo.
The only way Digi's plan seems to work is if we are to believe the blast takes out Goober's entire army...but when there are 6 BILLION metahumans, the burden of proof on Digi is very high that the blast can get through that. Frankly, I don't see that blast taking out Goober's entire army, in which case according to Goober's calculation.
Since the amount of time necessary to create an adaptoid is what seems to be in question in everyone's mind, I figured I'd throw a few figures out there to help everyone decide how many there'll be when the match actually starts.
We already have the figures for how many there's going to be if the process takes one minute...
End of 1st minute= 2 Adaptoids(myself, and my creation)
2nd minute= 4 Adaptoids(me and my original creation, plus the adaptoids we both just made).
3rd= 8
4th= 16
5th= 32
6th= 64
7th= 128
8th= 256
9th= 512
10th= 1024
11th= 2048
12th= 4096
13th= 8,192
14th= 16,384
So if the process takes two minutes it'll be...
2 min mark- 2 adaptoids
4min- 4 adaptoids
6- 8 adaptoids
8- 16 adaptoids
10- 32 adaptoids
12- 64 adaptoids
14- 128 adaptoids
For three minutes it would be...
3 minute mark- 2 adaptoids
6- 4 adaptoids
9- 8 adaptoids
12- 16 adaptoids
15- 32 adaptoids
For 4 minutes...
4 minute mark- 2 adaptoids
8- 4 adaptoids
12- 8 adaptoids
For 5 minues...
5 minute mark- 2 adaptoids
10 minute mark- 4 adaptoids
15 minutes- 8 adaptoids
So in order for Digi's claim that I'd only have 4 or 5 adaptoids at the start of the fight, it would actually have to take me OVER 5 minutes to create a SINGLE adaptoid. Even if it took up to 5 minutes, 8 adaptoids is more than sufficient to take out Digi's team when we teleport above the gun and attack them as a group. ESPECIALLY since the Silver Adaptoid himself would be bringing the combined abilities of Surfer, Thor, Mar-Vell, and Captain America to the table.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Even if it took up to 5 minutes, 8 adaptoids is more than sufficient to take out Digi's team when we teleport above the gun and attack them as a group. ESPECIALLY since the Silver Adaptoid himself would be bringing the combined abilities of Surfer, Thor, Mar-Vell, and Captain America to the table.
but 8 adaptoids would be disintegrated by Digi's megablast. I thought you would win because I can see a couple million Captain America adaptoids forming an impenetrable wall that would take the brunt of the blast...leaving the remaining millions or billions of adaptoids to easily manhandle Digi's team.
Let's put the nail in the coffin kids. Wasn't sure if I would need to use this, but there's no sense in holding back, and I don't want to leave the match to chance since it's still close:
The only time SA was able to make duplicates was when he had copied Kubik, and possessed a shard of the Cosmic Cube. It was later removed by Kubik, and Goober's SA no longer has access to it.
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sado8.jpg
Since we've never seen a base-level SA do anything of the sort regarding duplication, this is SA saying that he "desires" progeny....he's definitely not able to make them on his own.
Clearly it has no idea how to re-create itself, and the vaunted minds of various geniuses won't help this time...basically, it would be a miracle if he managed one duplicate in 15 minutes, let alone billions.
End fight.
Originally posted by Master-Borg
but 8 adaptoids would be disintegrated by Digi's megablast. I thought you would win because I can see a couple million Captain America adaptoids forming an impenetrable wall that would take the brunt of the blast...leaving the remaining millions or billions of adaptoids to easily manhandle Digi's team.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Let's put the nail in the coffin kids. Wasn't sure if I would need to use this, but there's no sense in holding back, and I don't want to leave the match to chance since it's still close:The only time SA was able to make duplicates was when he had copied Kubik, and possessed a shard of the Cosmic Cube. It was later removed by Kubik, and Goober's SA no longer has access to it.
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sado8.jpg
Since we've never seen a base-level SA do anything of the sort regarding duplication, this is SA saying that he "desires" progeny....he's definitely not able to make them on his own.
Clearly it has no idea how to re-create itself, and the vaunted minds of various geniuses won't help this time...basically, it would be a miracle if he managed one duplicate in 15 minutes, let alone billions.
End fight.
And we know from this scan...
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/362/captainamerica441takingjv7.jpg
That the Super Adaptoid was actually IN CHARGE of the base where they were making the new Adaptoids, so it's a fairly safe to say that he knows how to build one without having a cosmic cube handy.
What's more, as I've already explained I don't NEED even a single extra adaptoid to take your team out. With the powers of the Silver Surfer, Thor, Mar-Vell, and Captian America at my beck and call it'll be childs play for the Silver Adaptoid to kill your team with ease. Cap's shield backed by the strength of Thor is more than sufficient to decapitate anyone on your team, and since I'd be either as fast as Thor(the fastest person on your team), Captain America, and Mar-Vell put together or the Silver Surfer(whichever would be faster) you're team will be dead before they even know what's happening. All I have to do is teleport above your gun and speedblitz the shit out of you.
Originally posted by darthgoober
With the powers of the Silver Surfer, Thor, Mar-Vell, and Captian America at my beck and call it'll be childs play for the Silver Adaptoid to kill your team with ease. Cap's shield backed by the strength of Thor is more than sufficient to decapitate anyone on your team, and since I'd be either as fast as Thor(the fastest person on your team), Captain America, and Mar-Vell put together or the Silver Surfer(whichever would be faster) you're team will be dead before they even know what's happening. All I have to do is teleport above your gun and speedblitz the shit out of you.
One question: is the SA versions of those characters as powerful as the originals or are they inferior versions
Also, Digi's blast is wide radius, I'm still not sure how a 8 man team can survive that...I know you said they teleport between the gun and digi's forcefield, but doesnt that mean they still get hit?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Sorry but I'm afraid that's not the end of it. See as you can see in this scan...
AIM has figured out how to make adaptoids despite having lost the Cosmic Cube so we know it's possible without one(since they didn't have one at the time).And we know from this scan...
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/362/captainamerica441takingjv7.jpgThat the Super Adaptoid was actually IN CHARGE of the base where they were making the new Adaptoids, so it's a fairly safe to say that he knows how to build one without having a cosmic cube handy.
What's more, as I've already explained I don't NEED even a single extra adaptoid to take your team out. With the powers of the Silver Surfer, Thor, Mar-Vell, and Captian America at my beck and call it'll be childs play for the Silver Adaptoid to kill your team with ease. Cap's shield backed by the strength of Thor is more than sufficient to decapitate anyone on your team, and since I'd be either as fast as Thor(the fastest person on your team), Captain America, and Mar-Vell put together or the Silver Surfer(whichever would be faster) you're team will be dead before they even know what's happening. All I have to do is teleport above your gun and speedblitz the shit out of you.
That first scan just shows 2 of them, we don't know how they were made. It could be that they were both made by someone/something else.
It also gives no idea of a timeframe. And the second scan actually HELPS my point, because they need an entire facility to manufacture the things. This replication process is FAR harder than you're making it out to be.
And it is still contradicted by my scan, which shows that he didn't have that knowledge sans cosmic cube.
Hell, your own scan from your writeup supports this:
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2372/avengersv129009el5.jpg
...he needed the cube as an energy source as well as a guide.
No, if this plan wasn't boned to hell before, it is now. But even besides this are all the problems I've been mentioning all match.
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And of course you don't think you need all of that to beat me. You know that most judges won't buy it, but have to try to salvage a win from about 1 billionth of the force you planned on having. Nice try, but it doesn't work.
Originally posted by Master-Borg
One question: is the SA versions of those characters as powerful as the originals or are they inferior versionsAlso, Digi's blast is wide radius, I'm still not sure how a 8 man team can survive that...I know you said they teleport between the gun and digi's forcefield, but doesnt that mean they still get hit?
And I won't be teleporting between Digi's forcefield and the gun, I'll be teleporting above the gun between the "start" of the beam and the dome surrounding the battlefield. In order for me to get hit with the blast, the gun would actually have to fire in a 360 radius around itself.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
That first scan just shows 2 of them, we don't know how they were made. It could be that they were both made by someone/something else.It also gives no idea of a timeframe. And the second scan actually HELPS my point, because they need an entire facility to manufacture the things. This replication process is FAR harder than you're making it out to be.
And it is still contradicted by my scan, which shows that he didn't have that knowledge sans cosmic cube.
Hell, your own scan from your writeup supports this:
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2372/avengersv129009el5.jpg
...he needed the cube as an energy source as well as a guide.No, if this plan wasn't boned to hell before, it is now. But even besides this are all the problems I've been mentioning all match.
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And of course you don't think you need all of that to beat me. You know that most judges won't buy it, but have to try to salvage a win from about 1 billionth of the force you planned on having. Nice try, but it doesn't work.
As for a factory being necessary, of course they needed one because they were human. Humans NEED things like factories because they don't have the ability to transmute matter the way Surfer does.
Fact- It's possible to create and adaptoid without a cosmic cube(and I give my word that there were no cosmic cubes being used or featured in that story).
Fact. Super Adaptoid was in charge of the Adaptoid creation operation, so it's foolish to think he doesn't know how to make one.
Fact. Surfer's transmutation powers can make pretty much anything, ESPECIALLY if he has detailed knowledge on how it works.
