Darkseid Vs. WW Hulk Fist Fight

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
That wasn't the point of the scan Leo.....I know he didn't best him h2h combat or anything, I was trying to prove that he could respond to a speedblitz...which he did. And Cosmic Odyssey is most definitely canon, it was referenced in Dotng.

Hence why I didn't post it with the first set of scans....I was trying to show that Ds has faced a bloodlusted Supes....but that may have not been the case and it's irrelevent anyways....

Acrapolips now was a steaming pile of shit, that contradicts previous showings and has Darkseid acting out of character....and it wasn't pure h2h fight....Darkseid has beaten characters, that are way out of Supes class range......plus he can bfr him with a mere hand gesture.

The action comics showing was the only time he fought him with nothing more than fistacuffs.

Yet recently a Superman stalemating Orion, can't even handle a Darkseid amped Kalibak in the physical department.....

Ugh....here....
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_162.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/NewGodsv310-19.jpg

In a fight against Orion, he shows great skill, agility, and speed. Note that he threw this fight, to further a plan.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p02and03.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p04.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p05.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p06and07.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p08.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p09.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p10.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p11.jpg
9. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p12.jpg
10. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p13.jpg
11. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p14.jpg
12. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p15.jpg
13. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p16.jpg
14. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p17.jpg
15. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p18.jpg
16. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p19.jpg
17. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p20.jpg
18. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p21.jpg
19. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p22.jpg

Not to mention that he's powered characters that can move at flt speeds(Mantis, Stayne).

This whole damn scenario is out of character for Darkseid. His powerset is so vast that he's more likely to ko you with a mere gesture, than to lay you down with a thousand punches per second.....hence why we rarely see him perform speed feats....

Here's my question, how the hell is Wwh supposed to best him? He has zero strength feats compared to the other characters(Supes,Orion), you've just mentioned.......

Hopefully the above scans will help your opinion. 🙂

sorry haz, i'm still not buying. the microsecond to act scan is . . . 😬 the other scan shows him traveling at superspeeds but nothing that would indicate to me the type of combat speed that we're discussing.

and frankly, it's because he has no feats to indicate he could blitz hulk, or lay him out with overwhelming damage instantly. he may have some measure of superspeed, but it wouldn't help him in this fight. and hey, i'm not saying this type of fight would be in character -- just that that is the stipulation. shrug

as for wwh's feats -- he had plenty of healing feats that make it very difficult to believe that in staying strictly h2h ds could hurt hulk enough to put him down. as for direct strength feats -- we know this version of hulk was intended to be the strongest version ever seen of the character (barring possible futures, i suppose) and it was stated on panel that he has never been angrier or stronger. by that reasoning, we could use pretty well ANY hulk feat in the debate. ds CAN be overwhelmed physically and doesn't have the instant healing factor that hulk has. even in this form, hulk was still capable of getting stronger as he got angried as was evidenced by his final transformation.

like i said haz -- not that i don't appreciate the effort, but i still can't see ds winning this style of fight against wwh. 😬

Originally posted by leonidas
sorry haz, i'm still not buying. the microsecond to act scan is . . . 😬 the other scan shows him traveling at superspeeds but nothing that would indicate to me the type of combat speed that we're discussing.

as for wwh's feats -- he had plenty of healing feats that make it very difficult to believe that in staying strictly h2h ds could hurt hulk enough to put him down. as for direct strength feats -- we know this version of hulk was intended to be the strongest version ever seen of the character (barring possible futures, i suppose) and it was stated on panel that he has never been angrier or stronger. by that reasoning, we could use pretty well ANY hulk feat in the debate. ds CAN be overwhelmed physically and doesn't have the instant healing factor that hulk has. even in this form, hulk was still capable of getting stronger as he got angried as was evidenced by his final transformation.

like i said haz -- not that i don't appreciate the effort, but i still can't see ds winning this style of fight against wwh. 😬 [/B]

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
It may have been stated through narration or whatever, that Wwh is capable of what you stated. But it does not justify him a win in this situation and not once did he perform a [b]on-panel feat comparable to the likes of Orion, Superman, or Ds. Heck I wouldn't give Wwh the majority over Thanos....If speculation is all we have to measure his abilities, then anyone should be able to use that kind of reasoning, for just about any character....do you know how many times Darkseid has been desribed as a omnipotent? You want ever catch me using that as evidence though, because honestly, speculation/hyperbole<<<on panel feats. That's all that matters at the end of the day......
[/B]

That means that he was stronger than he was when he destroyed the asteroid, matched/exceeded the strength of Thor, deflected a galaxy destroying attack, separated the matter/antimatter sphere's, or any of his other older feats. And let's not forget that his durability/regen is ALSO higher than it was in those older feats so his old low showings get thrown out the window while things like his withstanding assaults from the combined Avenger's roster are still valid. And before anyone says it's unreasonable to keep his high end feats and disregard the low end feats, keep in mind that characters like Supes share similar benefits here on KMC.

What's more, unless I'm mistaken Hulk actually arrived on Earth angrier than ever and if that's the case it means that unlike old school Savage Hulk, WWH's actually going to start off that strong/durable.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It's not really speculation when one of the basis's for the arc was that he was angrier/stronger than ever. I mean it's not like we're not talking about an offhand comment that only appeared in a single book, it was repeatedly stated by multiple reliable sources(such as Iron Man and Reed if I'm not mistaken) as well as narrative description.

That means that he was stronger than he was when he destroyed the asteroid, matched/exceeded the strength of Thor, deflected a galaxy destroying attack, separated the matter/antimatter sphere's, or any of his other older feats. And let's not forget that his durability/regen is ALSO higher than it was in those older feats so his old low showings get thrown out the window while things like his withstanding assaults from the combined Avenger's roster are still valid. And before anyone says it's unreasonable to keep his high end feats and disregard the low end feats, keep in mind that characters like Supes share similar benefits here on KMC.

What's more, unless I'm mistaken Hulk actually arrived on Earth angrier than ever and if that's the case it means that unlike old school Savage Hulk, WWH's actually going to start off that strong/durable.

saved me the effort of having to write a nearly identical post. my thanks, goob. 🙂

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
That wasn't the point of the scan Leo.....I know he didn't best him h2h combat or anything, I was trying to prove that he could respond to a speedblitz...which he did. And Cosmic Odyssey is most definitely canon, it was referenced in Dotng.

Hence why I didn't post it with the first set of scans....I was trying to show that Ds has faced a bloodlusted Supes....but that may have not been the case and it's irrelevent anyways....

Acrapolips now was a steaming pile of shit, that contradicts previous showings and has Darkseid acting out of character....and it wasn't pure h2h fight....Darkseid has beaten characters, that are way out of Supes class range......plus he can bfr him with a mere hand gesture.

The action comics showing was the only time he fought him with nothing more than fistacuffs.

Yet recently a Superman stalemating Orion, can't even handle a Darkseid amped Kalibak in the physical department.....

Ugh....here....
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_162.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/NewGodsv310-19.jpg

In a fight against Orion, he shows great skill, agility, and speed. Note that he threw this fight, to further a plan.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p02and03.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p04.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p05.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p06and07.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p08.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p09.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p10.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p11.jpg
9. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p12.jpg
10. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p13.jpg
11. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p14.jpg
12. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p15.jpg
13. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p16.jpg
14. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p17.jpg
15. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p18.jpg
16. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p19.jpg
17. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p20.jpg
18. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p21.jpg
19. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p22.jpg

Not to mention that he's powered characters that can move at flt speeds(Mantis, Stayne).

This whole damn scenario is out of character for Darkseid. His powerset is so vast that he's more likely to ko you with a mere gesture, than to lay you down with a thousand punches per second.....hence why we rarely see him perform speed feats....

Here's my question, how the hell is Wwh supposed to best him? He has zero strength feats compared to the other characters(Supes,Orion), you've just mentioned.......

Hopefully the above scans will help your opinion. 🙂

What in apokolips now contradicts Darkseid's behavior? What exactly makes it crap other than the fact that you didnt agree on its outcome. Its canon so you cant dismiss it by any means. Ds was acting in character and he responded to a challenge. He just happened to lose because physically he was assaulted.

The fight wit Orion is impressive but he didnt dominate at all in the least bit. It shows physically if anything they are virtual equals. It also shows that Ds needs his powers against someone with this kind of strength.

Unless we have seen Ds use superspeed its a baseless argument.

Do you really think Hulk has zero strength feats to back him up?

This was Hulk at his strongest and angriest and he has a crapload of strength feats before this story when he was actually weaker than in ww hulk while Darkseid has none.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
As far as I'm concerned, the first two scans are moot as of right now(though I still think there valid, don't get me wrong). Look at the fight between Orion and Ds. That's more than enough proof of him using super speed.....

Again look at the fight between him and Orion....the amount of combat speed he uses is [b]insane.

It may have been stated through narration or whatever, that Wwh is capable of what you stated. But it does not justify him a win in this situation and not once did he perform a on-panel feat comparable to the likes of Orion, Superman, or Ds. Heck I wouldn't give Wwh the majority over Thanos....If speculation is all we have to measure his abilities, then anyone should be able to use that kind of reasoning, for just about any character....do you know how many times Darkseid has been desribed as a omnipotent? You want ever catch me using that as evidence though, because honestly, speculation/hyperbole<<<on panel feats. That's all that matters at the end of the day......

I respect your opinion and efforts as well, but I kindly have to disagree with you. [/B]

Thanos is physically more than Darkseid by a huge margin. Ds tends to avoid physicaly confrontations while Thanos can throw with the best of them and he has never been pounded into submission like Darkseid has.

Now when you are throwing around the words at his strongest or at his best. This isnt speculation. Anything previously seen by the Hulk before this arc was all inferior or this WW Hulk. If Darkseid were described as omnipotent that doesnt cut it. We know he isnt omnipotent by any means. No one is saying this Hulk is stronger than everyone else but that Hulk is stronger than he has ever been.

It was the point of the entire WW Hulk arc.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It's not really speculation when one of the basis's for the arc was that he was angrier/stronger than ever. I mean it's not like we're not talking about an offhand comment that only appeared in a single book, it was repeatedly stated by multiple reliable sources(such as Iron Man and Reed if I'm not mistaken) as well as narrative description.

That means that he was stronger than he was when he destroyed the asteroid, matched/exceeded the strength of Thor, deflected a galaxy destroying attack, separated the matter/antimatter sphere's, or any of his other older feats. And let's not forget that his durability/regen is ALSO higher than it was in those older feats so his old low showings get thrown out the window while things like his withstanding assaults from the combined Avenger's roster are still valid. And before anyone says it's unreasonable to keep his high end feats and disregard the low end feats, keep in mind that characters like Supes share similar benefits here on KMC.

What's more, unless I'm mistaken Hulk actually arrived on Earth angrier than ever and if that's the case it means that unlike old school Savage Hulk, WWH's actually going to start off that strong/durable.

yeah goob -- your dumb!

😄

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
And in the same comic he got hurt by cyclops and stalemated by sentry.....wwh was full of pis,if you think wwh is stronger than a sunamped superman who was pissed and darkseid had just takin his omega beams in his own face your dumb.

Are the reasons really so dumb as to constitute a 10/10 for DS?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is in character he fights like a bruiser. He hasnt reacted on panel to a speedblitz anyways.

What in apokolips now contradicts Darkseid's behavior? What exactly makes it crap other than the fact that you didnt agree on its outcome. Its canon so you cant dismiss it by any means. Ds was acting in character and he responded to a challenge. He just happened to lose because physically he was assaulted.

The fight wit Orion is impressive but he didnt dominate at all in the least bit. It shows physically if anything they are virtual equals. It also shows that Ds needs his powers against someone with this kind of strength.

Unless we have seen Ds use superspeed its a baseless argument.

Do you really think Hulk has zero strength feats to back him up?

This was Hulk at his strongest and angriest and he has a crapload of strength feats before this story when he was actually weaker than in ww hulk while Darkseid has none.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No one in that scan is referenced as using superspeed. They are showing skill but not superspeed imo.

Thanos is physically more than Darkseid by a huge margin. Ds tends to avoid physicaly confrontations while Thanos can throw with the best of them and he has never been pounded into submission like Darkseid has.

Now when you are throwing around the words at his strongest or at his best. This isnt speculation. Anything previously seen by the Hulk before this arc was all inferior or this WW Hulk. If Darkseid were described as omnipotent that doesnt cut it. We know he isnt omnipotent by any means. No one is saying this Hulk is stronger than everyone else but that Hulk is stronger than he has ever been.

It was the point of the entire WW Hulk arc.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Please go away......

Originally posted by Ouallada
Are the reasons really so dumb as to constitute a 10/10 for DS?

Well, DS credit. Superman traded blows with an amped infinity man who had to use an energy shield to hold him. Superman was sun amped once. It would seem DS is far stronger and Durable than anyone is giving him credit. As is superman. DS took the ALE being to the face. Superman took The source and DS fighting without being destroyed. Clearly these guys are uber durable and have the means of hurting each other.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It's not really speculation when one of the basis's for the arc was that he was angrier/stronger than ever. I mean it's not like we're not talking about an offhand comment that only appeared in a single book, it was repeatedly stated by multiple reliable sources(such as Iron Man and Reed if I'm not mistaken) as well as narrative description.

That means that he was stronger than he was when he destroyed the asteroid, matched/exceeded the strength of Thor, deflected a galaxy destroying attack, separated the matter/antimatter sphere's, or any of his other older feats. And let's not forget that his durability/regen is ALSO higher than it was in those older feats so his old low showings get thrown out the window while things like his withstanding assaults from the combined Avenger's roster are still valid. And before anyone says it's unreasonable to keep his high end feats and disregard the low end feats, keep in mind that characters like Supes share similar benefits here on KMC.

What's more, unless I'm mistaken Hulk actually arrived on Earth angrier than ever and if that's the case it means that unlike old school Savage Hulk, WWH's actually going to start off that strong/durable.

Anyways, though you make a good point this kind of reasoning can be used to support virtually any character......Do realize that Superman going all out, is supposed to be alot more powerful than he is portrayed on a daily basis? Did you know that Darkseid is supposedly omnipotent and is one of the most powerful beings in the Dcu? Both have a plethora feats that could support such a theory. However, if we just start giving a character a win over another based of their title(Wwh is the strongest incarnation, Ds omnipotent, etc), then we might as well disregard forum rules period...and alot of those feats you brought up are nothing someone like Superman, can't replicate.........

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Goob....I'm not negating the fact that Wwh is his most powerful incarnation ever....I'm saying that from what we've seen on panel, there is nothing at all to suggest he's any stronger than a Superman level brick....sure, we can go ahead and make hypothetical estimations of his power and just assume that he can get the upper hand against a certain character. But honestly, speculation will never win any debate. 😬

Wait.....when the hell did Hulk deflect a galaxy destroying blast. 😕 Just curious....

Anyways, though you make a good point this kind of reasoning can be used to support virtually any character......Do realize that Superman going all out, is supposed to be alot more powerful than he is portrayed on a daily basis? Did you know that Darkseid is supposedly omnipotent and is one of the most powerful beings in the Dcu? Both have a plethora feats that could support such a theory. However, if we just start giving a character a win over another based of their title(Wwh is the strongest incarnation, Ds omnipotent, etc), then we might as well disregard forum rules period...and alot of those feats you brought up are nothing someone like Superman, can't replicate.........

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Agreed.

So youre basically agreeing on the fact that you think that superman can hold a planet together with nothing but brute strength. Do you have any scans showing him doing anything close to that?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Km who do you think wins this thread?

I really didn't follow WWH to much so I can't accurately say.

WWH 4 d win. Purely strengthwise He has the advantage and that advantage will continue to grow throughout the match. He also has the strength feats to back it up. people saying that WWH was at his strongest ever is certainly not speculation because it was clearly stated by multiple charcters who have faced him before and who would obviously be able to tell how strong he was. Evn Dr strange and Xavier stated that WWH was the angriest version of the hulk ever and these are two people that
are able to feel another persons emotions( something which they did in WWH) and it was after they had experienced the emotions of the hulk that they came to these conlusions. This thus lends credibility or should i completely verifies the belief dat WWH was the strongest version of the hulk. Therefore the it is logical to believe dat all the feats of strength performed by a hulk in the past are well within WWH scope and definitely a whole lot more. Considering the feats ratio the hulk has Darkseid beat in the strengh department.. Now Darkseid would still win it if it can be conclusively proven that he has battle speed but from what ive seen the evidence is extremely debatable and not very concrete. The hulks rapid and continously accelerating healing factor also gives him the advantage in this type of fight in which the two of them will be trading blows as he will continue to get stronger and more durable throughout.

And by the way darthgoober i think it was a dimension destroying blast the hulk deflected( Although im not sure how to relate the size of a dimension to a galaxy)

Originally posted by carver9
So youre basically agreeing on the fact that you think that superman can hold a planet together with nothing but brute strength. Do you have any scans showing him doing anything close to that?

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
And in the same comic he got hurt by cyclops and stalemated by sentry.....wwh was full of pis,if you think wwh is stronger than a sunamped superman who was pissed and darkseid had just takin his omega beams in his own face your dumb.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom

Originally posted by fangirl101
Well, DS credit. Superman traded blows with an amped infinity man who had to use an energy shield to hold him. Superman was sun amped once. It would seem DS is far stronger and Durable than anyone is giving him credit. As is superman. DS took the ALE being to the face. Superman took The source and DS fighting without being destroyed. Clearly these guys are uber durable and have the means of hurting each other.

green scar has yet to be defeated by mostly anything let alone just fists and the occasional kick to the gut, darkseid is in too deep in this one.

i'm bumping my earlier odds prediction to king hulk 8/10, darkseid is no bytch but he can and has been worked before by presumed lesser might...... kinghulk hasn't.