Darkseid Vs. WW Hulk Fist Fight

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Originally posted by quanchi112
He also had a sun amp when he faced WW and did better against Darkseid. 😬
Bullshit.....

Before his sunamp he dragged Darkseid against his will to the sun. Thats physically dominating someone and then dragging them millions of miles to somewhere else. 😬
More bullshit....that is in no way being physically dominated. Speedblitzing someone at ftl speed, does not equal being dragged.....he even managed to shake Supes off, so I don't know what the hell your talking about. 🙂

Did he use omega blasts on superman and what issue of action comics did this take place in? I may have it I have a few years of Superman stuff.
From what I remeber it was pure h2h fight.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
He beat the Darkstars using nothing more than h2h,

How powerful are the Darkstar's h2h? I'm not really familiar with them so I don't know how impressive of a feat that is.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
back handed Wonder Woman,

A single backhand doesn't really amount to much. Characters routinely backhand people who are actually on par with them strength wise. That's not to say that I think WW is on par with DS strength wise, just that he could have done it even if she had been.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
and he beat Superman with a few punches in Owaw.

Wasn't that after Supes had already been through a prolonged battle?

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
The problem is, Darkseid has beaten and humbled characters above even Wwh strength wise.😬

What characters has he humbled h2h that are above WWH strength wise?

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
No Goob, it's [b]alot different.😬 Sun amped Superman has beaten Imperiax probes, a Kryptonian god, made a boomtube via flying and probably whole lot of other Batshit crazy feats.[/B]

And an unamped Supes has taken down Dominus, Doomsday, Darkseid, healed a tear in reality by rubbing his hands together really fast, and held a double black hole in his hands. And let's not forget about the Mageddon feat...

See the problem with unquantifiable feats is that they're just that, unquantifiable. It's impossible to determine which is the more impressive of two unquantifiable feats without taking the context of the feats as put forth by the story into consideration. For instance we know that creating the boomtube is likely a more impressive speed feat than the hand rubbing because Supes amped to do it, but if the two feats were just described as "Boomtube creation" and "Repairing a rip in reality" which would sound more impressive?

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Your problem Dg, is that your trying to apply generalizations to characters you consider similar, without applying other factors. Sun amped Supes actually has on panel to his credit, that would put him in a much higher than pretty much any herald leveler.

What feats does he have that dwarfs all other herald level characters? For that matter what feats does he have that's above his own unamped Mageddon feat?

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Again, I do believe that Wwh is the most impressive Hulk yet. But based off what we've seen on panel, he's no better than Superman class brick.

You seem to be missing the point because I'm not saying that WWH dwarf's Supes or DS strength wise, my whole point has been that he's on par with guys like them.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
.....No, because his feats in a sun amp state are far superior to normal Supes.....I don't see what your trying to get at.😬

They're only more impressive because the story says so and the WWH arc says the same thing.

TricksterPriest Renegade Timelord

"They're only more impressive because the story says so and the WWH arc says the same thing."

No. Sun-amped Supes took it to Darkseid. He's also stalemated a krytonian skyfather while sun-amped.

and when sun-dipped, the ultimate Sun-amp, he moved Warworld.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
"They're only more impressive because the story says so and the WWH arc says the same thing."

No. Sun-amped Supes took it to Darkseid. He's also stalemated a krytonian skyfather while sun-amped.


Was he sun amped in Apocalypse now? Was he sundipped when he beat Blaze?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
and when sun-dipped, the ultimate Sun-amp, he moved Warworld.

And how do you know that's more impressive than the Mageddon thing?

TricksterPriest Renegade Timelord

Warworld was powered by Imperiex.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Warworld was powered by Imperiex.

Again how do you KNOW it's more impressive? Nova's powered by Galactus but does that make beating her more impressive than beating the Destroyer? If there was some specific indication made that Supes's power was on par with Imperiex's that's one thing, but we have to remember that GL rings are powered by the Central Battery and any wielder of the Power Gem is backed by the Power of the universe itself...

TricksterPriest Renegade Timelord

Goob, he was shrugging off ENTROPY blasts.

Nuff said. Not to mention Warworld had FTL engines, it didn't want to be moved.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Goob, he was shrugging off ENTROPY blasts.

Nuff said. Not to mention Warworld had FTL engines, it didn't want to be moved.


Hasn't Supes taken things like the OE and blast's from guys like Parallax before?

And aren't you the one who said that Supes threw an entire solar system? Was he amped for that particular feat?

darthgoober Senior Member

Anyway the thread's going off topic(which is my bad), but the point is that WWH was well established as being stronger than ever. He plowed through pretty much everyone he came across and did many things that were previously unheard of such as withstanding a scream from the fake Blackbolt(which did something like blow a chunk out of the moon if I'm not mistaken) and withstand the full power of Sentry. And let's not forget that AM was overloaded from Sentry's full power despite being able to handle the power of Thor and his hammer on numerous occasions.

My point has never been that WWH takes this handily or even at all truth be told because I'm unsure of the h2h abilities of DS. My only real issue is with the misconception that WWH's strength is far below the likes of Supes when it's obviously not the case.

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I'm not sure if anyone's done more absurd shit than Superman when you think about it. His track list is incredible. Even just looking at the handful of instances you guys are talking about.... and then the many you aren't.

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Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Bullshit.....

More bullshit....that is in no way being physically dominated. Speedblitzing someone at ftl speed, does not equal being dragged.....he even managed to shake Supes off, so I don't know what the hell your talking about. 🙂

From what I remeber it was pure h2h fight.

WW was holding back and Supers didnt ko her while Darkseid was punched into submission. WW did A LOT BETTER.

He dragged him to the sun. That in and of itself is dominating or exerting someones will against someone else. Darkseid gathered his strength and made one final attempt when they were at the sun but Superman was amped and he destroyed Darkseid's face there. Superman did not speed blitz. Show me where it states this in the comic? You said darkseid could counter a speed blitz anyways,right? Gotcha.

Your memory seems a bit off I remember eye blasts.

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Originally posted by Allankles
The mind control also made him less efficient . He basically talked a lot, froze WW and broke her wrist. He physically didn't do anything impressive, he was a lot more focused and aggressive against DS. And there's nothing to indicate Superman could have killed DS. In fact DS is almost impossible to kill physically, trapping him in the source wall was the only way Supes was ending that fight.
No he wasnt. You are speculating now.

Supes took on WW who was holding back. Fact. Darkseid wasnt holding back. Fact. It sums it up nicely.

Doomsda almost killed Darkseid in two panels. He can be killed physically Orion just did it. 🙂

horrorwolf Incarnation of Infinity
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
The problem is, Darkseid has beaten and humbled characters above even Wwh strength wise.😬

1. Who would this list of characters be?

2. WWH also has dynamic durability, regeneration, as well as speed and reflex boosts that accomodate his strength levels.

horrorwolf Incarnation of Infinity
Originally posted by quanchi112
He dragged him to the sun. That in and of itself is dominating or exerting someones will against someone else. Darkseid gathered his strength and made one final attempt when they were at the sun but Superman was amped and he destroyed Darkseid's face there. Superman did not speed blitz.

Spot on.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
WW was holding back and Supers didnt ko her while Darkseid was punched into submission. WW did A LOT BETTER.

He dragged him to the sun. That in and of itself is dominating or exerting someones will against someone else. Darkseid gathered his strength and made one final attempt when they were at the sun but Superman was amped and he destroyed Darkseid's face there. Superman did not speed blitz. Show me where it states this in the comic? You said darkseid could counter a speed blitz anyways,right? Gotcha.

Your memory seems a bit off I remember eye blasts.

What the ****? did you not read the part where Superman tried a blitz and Got back handed by DS? It wasn't until Wonder Woman Stepped in and DS blasted HIMSELF and superman had time to sun amp, that he gained the physical advantage. Talk about a big CHUNK of Bias in your eye.

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doh

i knew coming into this thread i was going to end up with a headache...

lot of good points, lot of simply god-awful ones, and just... ugh.

anyways, if it continues. i'll close the thread...

guys, please, stop bringing superman into this... bar prime, he's probably top of the food chain when it comes to slugfests in dc, so losing to him isn't a low showing...

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Originally posted by darthgoober
How powerful are the Darkstar's h2h? I'm not really familiar with them so I don't know how impressive of a feat that is.
I'm not going to lie, I don't know jackshit about the Darkstars. 😆

A single backhand doesn't really amount to much. Characters routinely backhand people who are actually on par with them strength wise. That's not to say that I think WW is on par with DS strength wise, just that he could have done it even if she had been.
Not this back hand....
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/JLA14pg13.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/JLA14pg14.jpg

As you can clearly see, Ww looked like a piece of crap afterwards.😬

Wasn't that after Supes had already been through a prolonged battle?
Darkseid had been fighting aswell....plus Supes appeared to have had plenty of time to recover.

What characters has he humbled h2h that are above WWH strength wise?
Orion....not to mention he did amp Kalibak to strength levels beyond his brothers. 🙂

If he could make a chump like Kalibak that strong, then that should be a good estimation to Ds's strength.

And an unamped Supes has taken down Dominus, Doomsday, Darkseid, healed a tear in reality by rubbing his hands together really fast, and held a double black hole in his hands. And let's not forget about the Mageddon feat...
Some of those(atleast one or two) showings are blatant pis that goes against his average.😬 And the Doomsday he defeated was a weaker version.....while holding a black hole is impressive, it still doesn't come close to taking freakin entropy blast....the Mageddon feat....didn't you once claim that it wasn't as impressive as some people make it out to be?

See the problem with unquantifiable feats is that they're just that, unquantifiable. It's impossible to determine which is the more impressive of two unquantifiable feats without taking the context of the feats as put forth by the story into consideration. For instance we know that creating the boomtube is likely a more impressive speed feat than the hand rubbing because Supes amped to do it, but if the two feats were just described as "Boomtube creation" and "Repairing a rip in reality" which would sound more impressive?
Actually boomtubes are something that bends the fabric of reality itself. And his other feats like beating skyfathers and taking entropy blast, are still superior.....

What feats does he have that dwarfs all other herald level characters? For that matter what feats does he have that's above his own unamped Mageddon feat?
Look at my above statement, it covers what I would've said.

You seem to be missing the point because I'm not saying that WWH dwarf's Supes or DS strength wise, my whole point has been that he's on par with guys like them.
He may not be far from them, but he still hasn't done anything that would be comparable to their best.

They're only more impressive because the story says so and the WWH arc says the same thing.
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Sun amp Supes shits on his normal portrayals.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Spot on.
Thanks. 🙂

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by fangirl101
What the ****? did you not read the part where Superman tried a blitz and Got back handed by DS? It wasn't until Wonder Woman Stepped in and DS blasted HIMSELF and superman had time to sun amp, that he gained the physical advantage. Talk about a big CHUNK of Bias in your eye.
Superman flew into him he didnt blitz. If you consider this a blitz then Sentry blitzed WW Hulk as well and everytime someone flies into another character they are blitzing.

WW interfered because Ds used his powers and deflected them back into his face. Then Superman bfr'd her and continued the fight between the two of them. I admit Supes had help but Ds hasnt physically dominated Supes lately like Supes has dominated him.

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

World War Hulk... while trying to control himself... took a single step and inadvertently caused the entire Eastern Seaboard to shake. That step also screwed the tectonic plates underneath Manhattan and Hercules had to stop the widening to prevent catastrophic damage. Can you imagine what would happen if he wanted to actually step on someone's face, while going all out in a fight?

Do people really believe that World War Hulk's strength is short of one-shot planet-shattering strength and is way below top-tier?